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The Flash - Season 1

Actually when the idea was brought up, I was kinda hoping we'd get a fun and extended "breaking in" scene like we saw with Quicksilver in DOFP (granted, it's only a prison and not the lower levels of the Pentagon he's breaking into, but they still could have done something more with the idea than they did I think).

That would have been better, by making it less of a cop-out of the Flash being able to do whatever is needed in any given situation; the idea that guards wouldn't notice something zipping by them in confined spaces is hard to swallow. Instead of trying to explain the implausible, they just hung a lantern on it/lampshaded it, by saying that he'd been thinking about it for years.
 
When Caitlin Snow was talking about the Honeymoon with her fiancé, insisting on that they goto Tahiti. I wished she would have said, "We should go to Tahiti, I hear it's a magical place." Well thats what I was thinking when they were having the discussion.
It's a clear enough reference as is, IMO. Felicity also made a crack about going there last season on Arrow.
 
^You know, people have talked about Tahiti as a prime vacation spot for generations, so it doesn't follow that it's a SHIELD allusion. Heck, that's why SHIELD used it in the first place.
 
^ Really?

Hawaii
Cayman Islands
Virgin Islands
The Philippines
Costa Rica
Barbados
Aruba
Jamaica
Bermuda
Bahamas (come on, pretty mama)
Key Largo
Tahiti


... yeah. Out of this offhand, partial list of "prime vacation spots [known] for generations", I'm sure it's entirely concidental the writers decided to reference the one destination their major rival show made a big deal of earlier this very year. How very silly of me. :rolleyes:
 
^ Really?

Hawaii
Cayman Islands
Virgin Islands
The Philippines
Costa Rica
Barbados
Aruba
Jamaica
Bermuda
Bahamas (come on, pretty mama)
Key Largo
Tahiti


... yeah. Out of this offhand, partial list of "prime vacation spots [known] for generations", I'm sure it's entirely concidental the writers decided to reference the one destination their major rival show made a big deal of earlier this very year. How very silly of me. :rolleyes:

Shouldn't Tahiti be at the top of the list? It's at the top of every list that I make up. Vacation spots, grocery lists, movies.

It may or may not be a reference to Agents of SHIELD. The only way to know is to ask the people in the writer's room. If Felicity made a comment about it last year, there's really no way to be sure it's a reference, consider when scripts are written and shot to when they get aired.
 
The Tahiti as a paradise trope probably dates back to 19th Century when artist Paul Gauguin went there to escape "civilization". In the Star Trek episode "The Paradise Syndrome" McCoy refers to the longing for a quiet, simple, peaceful life as The Tahiti Syndrome. So its an idea that's been around awhile.
 
^Thank you. Like I said, the whole reason AoS used Tahiti as Coulson's illusory recovery spot in the first place is because it's already a longstanding cliche for an island paradise.
 
^You know, people have talked about Tahiti as a prime vacation spot for generations, so it doesn't follow that it's a SHIELD allusion. Heck, that's why SHIELD used it in the first place.

No one said it WAS a SHIELD allusion-- rather, it SHOULD have been. The writers have been great about allusions to the DC universe/previous incarnations in various fashions (whether namedrops or the 90's actors).....they seem to be fanboys (and girls) enough, that they might even be willing to drop a MARVEL Easter Egg (especially as SHIELD follows Flash, albeit on a different network. No DOubt, there would be MANY crossover viewers who would blow this up on Twitter & Facebook)
 
No one said it WAS a SHIELD allusion-- rather, it SHOULD have been. The writers have been great about allusions to the DC universe/previous incarnations in various fashions (whether namedrops or the 90's actors).....they seem to be fanboys (and girls) enough, that they might even be willing to drop a MARVEL Easter Egg (especially as SHIELD follows Flash, albeit on a different network. No DOubt, there would be MANY crossover viewers who would blow this up on Twitter & Facebook)

"Should" have been? Really? Easter eggs can be an entertaining indulgence from time to time, but when you get to the point that you think they "should" be the driving force behind storytelling, that they're some kind of necessity for the quality of the story, then you've gone far too deep into self-referentialism for its own sake. Honestly, last week's Flash episode had far too many Easter eggs as it was. They should stop trying so hard to show how many references they can cram into the story and focus more on just plain telling a story.
 
Eh, I'm sure most viewers are like me and never even noticed any easter eggs. I'm guessing you have to be a pretty diehard Flash or comic book fan to spot any of them, which most people watching this show definitely are not.
 
No one said it WAS a SHIELD allusion-- rather, it SHOULD have been. The writers have been great about allusions to the DC universe/previous incarnations in various fashions (whether namedrops or the 90's actors).....they seem to be fanboys (and girls) enough, that they might even be willing to drop a MARVEL Easter Egg (especially as SHIELD follows Flash, albeit on a different network. No DOubt, there would be MANY crossover viewers who would blow this up on Twitter & Facebook)

"Should" have been? Really? Easter eggs can be an entertaining indulgence from time to time, but when you get to the point that you think they "should" be the driving force behind storytelling, that they're some kind of necessity for the quality of the story, then you've gone far too deep into self-referentialism for its own sake. Honestly, last week's Flash episode had far too many Easter eggs as it was. They should stop trying so hard to show how many references they can cram into the story and focus more on just plain telling a story.

I don't think Morpheus is saying that Easter eggs should be the driving force behind storytelling; just that in this particular case, given that the creators of the show are admitted fans of comic properties from both DC and Marvel, that the mention of Tahiti was a reference to Agents of SHIELD. Maybe that's presumptuous, since -- as you previously pointed out -- Tahiti doesn't always mean "T.A.H.I.T.I." but I think that it's a valid interpretation of the creator's intentions here.

As for last week's episode cramming in too many Easter eggs to the point of distraction, that wasn't my experience but I can definitely see your point. If a viewer is focusing on the Easter eggs instead of the story, then the show's producers aren't doing their jobs well. The story should be strong and engaging enough that we miss many of the Easter eggs on our first time through.

That's what makes threads like this so much fun: I may catch one Easter egg, you may catch another, and someone else may spot one that we both missed. If all of us notice all of the Easter eggs, then either 1) they were too obvious and/or not concealed well, or 2) no one was paying any attention to the narrative.

As the situation stands right now, I'm enjoying the level of Easter eggs being doled out to us on Arrow, the Flash, and SHIELD. Maybe it's memories of the not-so-distant past, of being so starved for references to comic's shared universes that I totally flipped out when Robin mentioned Metropolis in Batman Forever. Someone once said, "a poor man will never be too rich, a starving man will never have too much food." I think this applies to long-time comic book fans and Easter eggs, as well.
 
I think people are overusing this term "Easter Egg" and confusing it with fidelity to the source material. It seems as if the producers of the Flash have taken time to become familiar with the comics, have chosen details from various eras of the DC universe, and have created their own universe from them.

They have kept a coffee chain from the new 52, they are using the Flash's more recent origin concerning the death of his mother, they are using a map of Central City from the comics and the "twin" cities post-crisis model. But they are also forging their own territory, the STAR labs accident and the Barry and Iris growing up together, to take the show in its own direction.

Just because details from the source materials are name-dropped, they should not be considered "Easter Eggs" but rather the in show universe drawing on the source material to develop a more expanded universe.
 
Geoff Johns is a producer.

You know he wrote Flash for the better part of a decade, but you might not have known that it's been 90 percent shit since he left.
 
I think people are overusing this term "Easter Egg" and confusing it with fidelity to the source material.

Not at all. When I'm talking about Easter eggs, I'm talking about Barry saying "I don't want them to build a museum to my exploits" (because there's a Flash Museum, get it?) and Caitlin saying that Ronnie and she were "fire and ice" (because they're Firestorm and Killer Frost, get it, huh, huh?). Lines like that are too self-consciously clever. They're not about using the source material faithfully, they're about nudging comics fans in the side and saying "Hey, look how comics-savvy we are, just like you!"
 
Not to mention stuff like the Rita Farr marquee, which is a pure sight gag, not world-building.
 
I think people are overusing this term "Easter Egg" and confusing it with fidelity to the source material.

Not at all. When I'm talking about Easter eggs, I'm talking about Barry saying "I don't want them to build a museum to my exploits" (because there's a Flash Museum, get it?) and Caitlin saying that Ronnie and she were "fire and ice" (because they're Firestorm and Killer Frost, get it, huh, huh?). Lines like that are too self-consciously clever. They're not about using the source material faithfully, they're about nudging comics fans in the side and saying "Hey, look how comics-savvy we are, just like you!"

I was actually thinking about different elements than that, like Grodd in a cage or Vibe/Frost being names of the characters--but what got me was the whole Tahiti discussion. Maybe I am just mixing up a bunch of comments or even threads because I went back a few pages and can't find what I was referring to specifically.
 
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