The Flash - Season 1

[Mr Light]

My take:

Reverse-Flash is Future Wells. So he was beating up his past self to give himself the perfect alibi.

Remember they pointed out in that same scene that Reverse-Flash has an even greater healing ability than Flash. So clearly Present-Wells is not going to instantly heal the wounds he received or else it would be a dead giveaway. Ergo, he doesn't have his powers yet.

Present-Wells is being secretly aided by his future self. He's a patsy. He's playing with himself.

 

[Christopher]

So clearly Present-Wells is not going to instantly heal the wounds he received or else it would be a dead giveaway. Ergo, he doesn't have his powers yet.

You've reminded me of a credibility issue that occurred to me this morning. Namely, there's no way that Caitlin would be fooled by Wells's pretense of paralysis. She should've noted some evidence of his true condition when she treated his wounds, e.g. noting a pain response when she works on his leg wounds. More to the point, if he really were paraplegic, his legs would've atrophied considerably more than they would if he gets up and walks around on a daily basis.

 

[theenglish]

Really great episode. I actually felt like I was watching a comic book!

I like that the show is pushing forward its various story lines and letting them evolve rather than dragging them out. Between the and SHIELD this week, I've certainly got my "fix".

 

[CorporalClegg]

Yeah. I don't know if it was "Best day ever." But it was still one of the best nights of SF&F TV in quite a long while.

 

[Morpheus 02]

^ Given these type of shows on The CW, they have learned the mistakes of Smallville & Arrow.

I dont think Arrow has made that many mistakes Frost. To what do you refer?

From my perspective

1) The dad-of-the-leading-lady-who-is-a-cop is shown to actually be a good detective, by figuring out the hero's identity in less than 3 seasons (A)

2) They don't make EVERY episode in 1st season Freak-of-the-Week (S)

3) They reference a lot of the DC universe in fun ways early on (A,S) (Smallville did way better in the latter seasons)

4) they're not afraid of showing supernatural powers (A, S --at least with flying)

5) i'm sure there's more...

 

[Marc]

So clearly Present-Wells is not going to instantly heal the wounds he received or else it would be a dead giveaway. Ergo, he doesn't have his powers yet.

You've reminded me of a credibility issue that occurred to me this morning. Namely, there's no way that Caitlin would be fooled by Wells's pretense of paralysis. She should've noted some evidence of his true condition when she treated his wounds, e.g. noting a pain response when she works on his leg wounds. More to the point, if he really were paraplegic, his legs would've atrophied considerably more than they would if he gets up and walks around on a daily basis.

Has it been said that Wells is a paraplegic though?

He could say he has a spinal cord injury that impacts his ability to walk but hasn't resulted in a loss of feeling below the waist.

And he could say he has an excersize machine to work the legal muscles to prevent the atrophy. He's a smart guy he can think of these things

 

[Mr Light]

Have we ever seen Wells stand up outside of his Future Chamber? Maybe he really is crippled and there's some tech field in that room that lets him walk?

 

[Mike Farley]

Didn't he stand up to stab Simon Stagg?

 

[theenglish]

Didn't he stand up to stab Simon Stagg?

Yes, that still doesn't rule out the possibility that he is using some kind of tech to mask his healthy legs to medical inspection though.

There is still the possibility that Wells is actually Barry--that he is the speedster that saves Barry as a young boy and that he is now in the past to try to save the future. He has become cynical and Machiavellian in his beliefs that he needs to be brutal to "fix" the future.

 

[Christopher]

Wells stood when he killed Stagg, and he stood when he released Girder from his Pipeline cell to fight the electric guy.

And no way is Wells a future Barry. He's killed in cold blood, and I don't believe they'd taint Barry's character by making him capable of that. Besides, Barry has green eyes and Wells has blue eyes.

 

[Tom Hendricks]

There is so much misdirection in this show, that's what they should call it.

The Adventures of Misdirection.

 

[JD]

After last nights episode I read up on some of the different Reverse-Flashes/Zooms, and at this point I'm thinking his might be a take on Hunter Zolomon/Zoom. He was even paralyzed at one point.

 

[Professor Zoom]

My take:

Reverse-Flash is Future Wells. So he was beating up his past self to give himself the perfect alibi.

Remember they pointed out in that same scene that Reverse-Flash has an even greater healing ability than Flash. So clearly Present-Wells is not going to instantly heal the wounds he received or else it would be a dead giveaway. Ergo, he doesn't have his powers yet.

Present-Wells is being secretly aided by his future self. He's a patsy. He's playing with himself.

I can see that. But, that also means that Future-Wells, aka Reverse Flash, has already contacted Present-Wells. In some way. If they are working together, Present-Wells has to know what he is to become, etc. And Future-Wells would have to say, "hey, you get that tachyon thing into Star Labs, you're gonna need it."

 

[Guy Gardener]

This is a little out there.

Are there two present day Harrison Wells who are not the Reverse Flash?

One is stuck in the wheelchair and a little iffy.

The other has to pretend that he's in the wheel chair so that no one notices that their are two of them and he is a complete asshole.

 

[TemporalFlux]

Are there two present day Harrison Wells who are not the Reverse Flash?

There's always the parallel universe angle. Flash introduced the concept to DC Comics.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Faking paralysis is hard.

Especially when you are being beaten.

HA!

I have a holistic spellcheck.

The suggestion by my holistic spellchecker is that I had meant to say Parallax and not parallysis.



Parallax is a jerk who has interesting ties to the Crisis.

 

[shivkala]

^I would say no to the old puffy sleeve costume but maybe the one they are using in Futures End could come into play.

I'm not sure how he can wear anything since he is on fire a lot of the time.

His powers won't burn him because that's the sort of shit that only happens in Haven (And the Venture Bros?), but can Firestorm be burnt by other flames he makes with his flames, like when he sets his clothing on fire?

Of course if it's just a "nuclear reaction" that looks like fire and not fire at all, he Ronnie should be fine?

Body paint?

Paint is explosive or an accelerant most of the time?

Couple of things about the comic Firestorm (pre-New 52, at least).

First, even though his iconic look includes a flamehead, it's more for show than anything else. In the comic it's mentioned that it's not actually fire. Of course, they changed that in Brightest Day, but if I remember that was supposed to be a sign that something was off in the matrix.

Second, Firestorm's main power is the ability to rearrange atoms. His costume was literally created out of thin air and I don't see why, if they do give him this power, the same can't be done for the show.

Well Guy, I am sure Cisco can whip up a containment suit he can wear as Firestorm.

Granted, but there's already a tailor in the Flash lore (granted he does more for the rogues, but still). I just would like if they could expand beyond every hero getting a Cisco outfit, especially if Ronnie can whip one up himself. I really liked the fact that the original Firestorm costume was all Ronnie's doing, puffy sleeves and all. It was a teenager's idea of what a good outfit should look like.

Anyway, more topics for discussion:

Spoiler: Caitlin and Ronnie

With Caitlin supposedly becoming Killer Frost, does anyone think they might use that to keep her and Ronnie apart? Maybe in trying to help Ronnie, by thinking she needs to leach off the nuclear fire, she accidentally becomes Killer Frost, whose powers, in the comics, are dependent on her absorbing heat. Despite the cold powers, if Killer Frost was herself frozen, she was rendered helpless. Perhaps it works, but leaves Caitlin with the powers and slightly unhinged, just as Ronnie is back to himself? I mean, this is a CW show based on a comic, we can't have a happy romantic relationship between characters!

 

[Guy Gardener]

I doubt he would be allowed in the JLA satellite or near the Martian Manhunter (or even 80s Aquaman) if it was really "fire" but I think I remember somewhere someone lighting a cigar from Ronnie's hair.

 

[shivkala]

^
I, too, seem to remember that. However, that might be a case of the character appearing in another book, where they don't know the character that well, so they do something like that.

 

[theenglish]

Even in what little we've seen it seems that Firestorm already has the ability to control his flames somewhat otherwise his clothes would burn up. Regardless whether his head is actual flame in the comics he at least has the ability to control its characteristics. It is possible that he will gain this ability over time.

It also seems that Ronnie is confused about his identity right now. If he is joined with Professor Stein their personalities might be intertwined, or perhaps he will need to join with Stein in order to regain his sense of rationale thought. No matter how it turns out, I really liked what they did with him in this episode and hope that Firestorm returns fairly regularly.