The First Trailer

[Crazy Eddie]

#1: Kirk's motorcycle
Yes, it's an actual MOTORCYLE. Not, it seems to me, an alien contraption made up to look like one. Since it's unlikely that Kirk packed such a thing on the Enterprise with him, let alone managed to pack one on the escape pod when he abandoned ship, he probably got it from Earth -- or some alternate version of it -- some time in the 2010s.

Picard had a dune buggy on the Enterprise E.

Did he stuff it in his pocket when he abandoned ship?

It's not the fact that Kirk has a motorcycle I'm pointing out. He had a pretty nice one in the first movie (gave it away to a dockworker because, fuck it, I'm gonna drive Starships from now on). It's the fact that he has a smaller GASOLINE powered motorcycle on an alien planet AFTER his ship got blown up. Assuming this is the same planet where his escape pod landed, where the hell did he get that motorcycle?

And yes, Starfleet is the Federation's military

And the admissions board of the Science Academy is Vulcan's government.

Obviously.

 

[137th Gebirg]

I'm thinking we're likely to find out next year.

 

[dahj]

Assuming this is the same planet where his escape pod landed, where the hell did he get that motorcycle?

It seems like the Enterprise didn't disintegrate completely while crashing.

Kinda like Enterprise-D in Generations.

 

[nafeasonto]

I for one am hoping we see a new enterprise, like the NCC-1701-A. See how they design it without the turbines.

I have a feeling they are going to a drive by shot of the new one, like they did at the end of the Voyage Home. I hope images of the new one don't get leaked.

 

[mredom]

What exactly is "Star Trek" about the Martian?

Could you slap a Star Trek coat of paint on The Martian? Probably, but I don't think it would translate very well.

I grew up on The Original Series. Where Kirk fought Gods, Pizza Burgers and a guy dressed in a lizard suit. Star Trek, for me, was about big, brash fun on the Final Frontier.

Pulp sci-fi is in its DNA. Where the good guy punches the bad guy, saves the day and gets the girl. Kirk and Spock are every bit as much comic books superheroes as Superman, Batman or Captain America. It is a shame some fans can't or won't wrap their minds around that.

I'm not denying that pulp science fiction is at the heart of TOS, just recognizing that TOS is the third most watched series of the franchise behind both TNG and VOY (hey, look, science and science fiction, gasp), that making a generic space action movie with the TOS characters doesn't stand out in the rehash happy movie landscape, and that Star Trek as a franchise isn't just about pulp science fiction yet that's all we've got so far with these movies. It's a shame some fans can't or won't wrap their minds around that.

TOS is the third most watched? OK. I have watched EVERY incarnation of Trek ever made. The only ones I own, the only ones I watch over and over: TOS. With the exception of specific episodes, (TNG: Yeterdays Enterprise, Unification 1 and 2,The Inner Light, Relics, Chain of Command 1 and 2, The Wounded, and Family, DS9: Trials and Tribble-ations, In the Pale Moonlight. I never watch Voyager ever, Enterprise if it happens to be on) Are there some stinkers in TOS? Absolutely (Spock's Brain comes immediately to mind) but the Characters are well drawn, well acted, and the stories are, gasp: "FUN".

Kirk has always been obsessed with the past, should I be surprised he would know something of twentieth century music, or even like it?

There's a reason they went back to TOS for this series of movies, it was the best of the series. It wasn't bogged down by Gene Roddenberry's imagined "vision" which he retroactlvely thrust upon us. It doesn't take anything away from the ground that was broken both visually and culturally by TOS. At it's heart though, it was about three guys exploring the universe with their crew, and striving to do the right thing even when it meant breaking starfleet regulations to do it.

Why do I like TOS: If Picard would have been in command of the original Enterprise:

The children would have died off on Miri's planet,
Spock and McCoy would never have made it back from the Galileo 7,
The Archons would still be under the control of Landru,
Kahn would have been taken to a federation Penal colony,
The People of Eminar 7 would still be walking into disintegration chambers,
and Vaal would still be in charge on Gamma Trianguli VI.

Starships out beyond reach of regulations, practicing "cowboy diplomacy", That's my Trek.

 

[TOSalltheway]

What a load of crap. Typical JJ Abrams, flood the viewer with fast chases, explosions, motorcycle jumps. This is not Star Trek.

Give me Star Trek Continues or New Voyages over this any day.

 

[Sans]

I said nothing of the sort. I simply said that the movie will be abysmal and insulting to all of humanity if it doesn't have a space motor bike in it. What's the big deal?

The 2009 movie was the most insulting, gawd-awful, vomit-inducing pile of wet llama feces in the known (and perhaps unknown) universe because the Enterprise was build on the ground as opposed to in space. Basically the same thing is happening here with the new film's lack of space motor bikes.

But, but, but... it had space motor bike in it!

http://img.trekmovie.com/images/st09/trailer2analysis/040.jpg

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[Overgeeked]

TOS is the third most watched? OK. I have watched EVERY incarnation of Trek ever made. The only ones I own, the only ones I watch over and over: TOS. With the exception of specific episodes, (TNG: Yeterdays Enterprise, Unification 1 and 2,The Inner Light, Relics, Chain of Command 1 and 2, The Wounded, and Family, DS9: Trials and Tribble-ations, In the Pale Moonlight. I never watch Voyager ever, Enterprise if it happens to be on) Are there some stinkers in TOS? Absolutely (Spock's Brain comes immediately to mind) but the Characters are well drawn, well acted, and the stories are, gasp: "FUN".

Kirk has always been obsessed with the past, should I be surprised he would know something of twentieth century music, or even like it?

There's a reason they went back to TOS for this series of movies, it was the best of the series. It wasn't bogged down by Gene Roddenberry's imagined "vision" which he retroactlvely thrust upon us. It doesn't take anything away from the ground that was broken both visually and culturally by TOS. At it's heart though, it was about three guys exploring the universe with their crew, and striving to do the right thing even when it meant breaking starfleet regulations to do it.

Why do I like TOS: If Picard would have been in command of the original Enterprise:

The children would have died off on Miri's planet,
Spock and McCoy would never have made it back from the Galileo 7,
The Archons would still be under the control of Landru,
Kahn would have been taken to a federation Penal colony,
The People of Eminar 7 would still be walking into disintegration chambers,
and Vaal would still be in charge on Gamma Trianguli VI.

Starships out beyond reach of regulations, practicing "cowboy diplomacy", That's my Trek.

And if Kirk was in charge of the TNG Enterprise:

He would have punched Q in the face in the pilot and the whole of humanity would have been summarily convicted of being a grievously savage child race and sent back to Earth.

What's your point?

You can have 'fun' episodes that don't involve mindless violence, dancing girls, and explosions. TNG was a breath of fresh air because it was a sign that the franchise was growing up and the subsequent series continued that growth. And now, 30-years later, we're back to square one, but worse... because the new Trek doesn't have the courage of having even the ham-fisted convictions of the Original Series. Now it's just a heartless, mindless thrill ride. Nothing wrong with that for other franchises, but that's not was Trek is, nor was it ever just that.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Assuming this is the same planet where his escape pod landed, where the hell did he get that motorcycle?

It seems like the Enterprise didn't disintegrate completely while crashing.

Kinda like Enterprise-D in Generations.

I dunno, I feel like if Kirk had packed a motorcycle it would have been something ALOT fancier.

 

[BillJ]

#1: Kirk's motorcycle
Yes, it's an actual MOTORCYLE. Not, it seems to me, an alien contraption made up to look like one. Since it's unlikely that Kirk packed such a thing on the Enterprise with him, let alone managed to pack one on the escape pod when he abandoned ship, he probably got it from Earth -- or some alternate version of it -- some time in the 2010s.

I think you're overthinking this one. I don't doubt Kirk packed it away with him and probably retrieved it when they go to the crashed saucer.

Give me Star Trek Continues or New Voyages over this any day.

No. I'm tired of cos play that is trying to pass itself off as serious films.

And if Kirk was in charge of the TNG Enterprise:

A whole lot more people would still be watching TNG and talking about it.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Granted, I'm biased because I love Pegg anyway, but I had no doubts about what he could do, and what I think he has done, so this clip feels more like "don't worry, that trailer was just to get everyone on board," which is what teaser trailers do. Now, if the much longer in-depth trailer was all action and no story details, then I'd be a little more concerned (though I'd still see the film because of course I'd still see the film!), but I have faith in Simon Pegg's ability to reach people.

So have a little faith that the movie's in good hands.

The first two were so disastrously bad that despite my having a bit of faith in Simon Pegg, there's also momentum to consider. And generally speaking, the more writers credited on a film, the worse they tend to be. So yeah, Pegg might be great, but he's one of five writers listed. Then there's all the stories of the studio thinking the original script was too Star Treky, and Pegg being brought in to fix that. To somehow make the next Star Trek film less like Star Trek (when the first two were already Trek in name only). And all the times he quit then was talked into coming back... my faith in the film is at a 1 out of 100. And that 1 is only because of Pegg's comments in that clip.

This has no basis in fact whatsoever. Disastrously bad? They were successful in every phase except holding on to about 20% of the of the 1% of whining old fans.

None of that kind of talk, please.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

TNG was a breath of fresh air because it was a sign that the franchise was growing up and the subsequent series...

... sucked.

And now, 30-years later, we're back to square one

'Bout time!

the new Trek doesn't have the courage of having even the ham-fisted convictions of the Original Series.

On the contrary, its convictions are VERY ham-fisted and not even subtle. It's just that its convictions aren't the centerpiece of the story. Kirk, Spock, McCoy and (now) Uhura BEING AWESOME is the centerpiece of the story.

I'm not saying Star Trek can't be smug and pretentious. I'm saying it doesn't NEED to be, and lots of people like it better when it's not.

 

[mredom]

TOS is the third most watched? OK. I have watched EVERY incarnation of Trek ever made. The only ones I own, the only ones I watch over and over: TOS. With the exception of specific episodes, (TNG: Yeterdays Enterprise, Unification 1 and 2,The Inner Light, Relics, Chain of Command 1 and 2, The Wounded, and Family, DS9: Trials and Tribble-ations, In the Pale Moonlight. I never watch Voyager ever, Enterprise if it happens to be on) Are there some stinkers in TOS? Absolutely (Spock's Brain comes immediately to mind) but the Characters are well drawn, well acted, and the stories are, gasp: "FUN".

Kirk has always been obsessed with the past, should I be surprised he would know something of twentieth century music, or even like it?

There's a reason they went back to TOS for this series of movies, it was the best of the series. It wasn't bogged down by Gene Roddenberry's imagined "vision" which he retroactlvely thrust upon us. It doesn't take anything away from the ground that was broken both visually and culturally by TOS. At it's heart though, it was about three guys exploring the universe with their crew, and striving to do the right thing even when it meant breaking starfleet regulations to do it.

Why do I like TOS: If Picard would have been in command of the original Enterprise:

The children would have died off on Miri's planet,
Spock and McCoy would never have made it back from the Galileo 7,
The Archons would still be under the control of Landru,
Kahn would have been taken to a federation Penal colony,
The People of Eminar 7 would still be walking into disintegration chambers,
and Vaal would still be in charge on Gamma Trianguli VI.

Starships out beyond reach of regulations, practicing "cowboy diplomacy", That's my Trek.

And if Kirk was in charge of the TNG Enterprise:

He would have punched Q in the face in the pilot and the whole of humanity would have been summarily convicted of being a grievously savage child race and sent back to Earth.

What's your point?

You can have 'fun' episodes that don't involve mindless violence, dancing girls, and explosions. TNG was a breath of fresh air because it was a sign that the franchise was growing up and the subsequent series continued that growth. And now, 30-years later, we're back to square one, but worse... because the new Trek doesn't have the courage of having even the ham-fisted convictions of the Original Series. Now it's just a heartless, mindless thrill ride. Nothing wrong with that for other franchises, but that's not was Trek is, nor was it ever just that.

I watched "Encounter at Farpoint" and then didn't watch TNG for three years. I was so angry about Q (an obvious ripoff of "Squire of Gothos") and the retroactive injection of a third world war (which prior to TNG was a war that Earth avoided). Recently I discovered that both of these transgressions were commited by: Gene Roddenberry. The orginal script was just the mission to Farpoint Station, without all the Q nonsense. DC Fontana had written the script for an hour piloit, and when the producers demended two, Roddenberry inserted all that to make the script "flesh out".

Everyone is certainly entitled to their opinion, and you are entitled to yours. I have enjoyed having fun back in my Trek. I was, like many annoyed with inconsistencies in the plots and science for the last two movies, but I also remember HUGE plot holes in every Star Trek series. In the end, the story is about the crew and how they perservere to do the right thing, and I think this one looks to be the best yet. BTW-What's wrong with dancing girls? every Trek series has had them, and one time it was Uhura. Seems right in character.

 

[Paradise City]

Leaving plausibility and all that stuff aside, the motorcycle stuff just gives me traumatic flashbacks to Battlestar Galactica 1980.

http://pics.imcdb.org/0ge20/203993-vlcsnap-00031.jpg

http://redeyerogue.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/galacticafail_motorbikes2.jpg

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[BillJ]

I watched "Encounter at Farpoint" and then didn't watch TNG for three years. I was so angry about Q (an obvious ripoff of "Squire of Gothos") and the retroactive injection of a third world war (which prior to TNG was a war that Earth avoided).

Earth didn't avoid a third world war:

SPOCK: Situations quite familiar to the six million who died in your first world war, the eleven million who died in your second, the thirty seven million who died in your third. Shall I go on?

 

[Squiggy]

What a load of crap. Typical JJ Abrams, flood the viewer with fast chases, explosions, motorcycle jumps. This is not Star Trek.

This is not a JJ directed movie.

 

[mredom]

I watched "Encounter at Farpoint" and then didn't watch TNG for three years. I was so angry about Q (an obvious ripoff of "Squire of Gothos") and the retroactive injection of a third world war (which prior to TNG was a war that Earth avoided).

Earth didn't avoid a third world war:

SPOCK: Situations quite familiar to the six million who died in your first world war, the eleven million who died in your second, the thirty seven million who died in your third. Shall I go on?

Well played: From "The Omega Glory"

SPOCK: Kohms? Communists? The parallel is almost too close, Captain. It would mean they fought the war your Earth avoided, and in this case, the Asiatics won and took over this planet.

This also goes to plot holes and continuity errors. It was after all, just a television show. No one knew at the time that it would develop 50 years of "continuity".

 

[Kor]

As stated in "Space Seed," the Third World War was originally the same as the Eugenics Wars.

Spock: The mid-1990s was the era of your last so-called World War.
McCoy: The Eugenics Wars.

Kor

 

[Goji]

He would have punched Q in the face in the pilot

Sisko did punch Q in the face, and he left the DS9 crew alone for the subsequent seven years. Sounds like a win for the face-punching column.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Leaving plausibility and all that stuff aside, the motorcycle stuff just gives me traumatic flashbacks to Battlestar Galactica 1980.

http://pics.imcdb.org/0ge20/203993-vlcsnap-00031.jpg

I don't know. Those seem to have a lot more in common with the motorcycle and hoverbike from ST09, respectively:





While the style and era of the motorcycle Kirk was riding in the Beyond trailer reminded me almost immediately of Steve McQueen's bike from his iconic fence jumping scene in The Great Escape, which (historical inaccuracies aside) I wouldn't be surprised if Pegg was trying to evoke given the nature of the Beyond scene (set in a sort of POW camp) and his love of pop culture.

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