IRL, they didn't show up until TNG, but "in universe" I believe there's at least one reference to a pre-TOS ship with a registry along those lines.
The First Seventeen Classes...
- Thread starter CuttingEdge100
- Start date
Captain Robert April,
Really? Do you mean in the TOS era? Or retconned into the TOS era?
Really? Do you mean in the TOS era? Or retconned into the TOS era?
The Mariposa from TNG Up the Long Ladder was a DY-500 class vessel launched on Nov 7, 2123. Hull number, NAR-7678.
Memory Alpha entry here.
As I said up-thread, what you will end up with will depend on what you use for sources. Using just TOS gives you the freedom to do just about anything. Using TOS and TAS means accounting for ships like the USS Huron with its NCC-F1513 hull number (and perhaps the Bonaventure with its backwards number). Include TNG and at the very least you have NAR and NSP to deal with. and etc and etc.
Fascinating
I'm thinking of just widdling it down to
N = National/Federation Ship
KC = Dreadnought
CC = Cruiser
DD = Destroyer
FF = Frigate
I'm not sure what designations should be used for
- Tankers
- Tugs
- Transports
Ideas?
N = National/Federation Ship
KC = Dreadnought
CC = Cruiser
DD = Destroyer
FF = Frigate
I'm not sure what designations should be used for
- Tankers
- Tugs
- Transports
Ideas?
kaisernathan1701
Looks good to me!
Looks good to me!
KaiserNathan1701,
Okay, so now we have a solid base to work with
HULL PREFIX LETTER
N = National/United Federation of Planets (NCC-1701)
CLASS / TYPE
KC = Dreadnought (NKC-100)
CC = Cruiser (NCC-1701)
DD = Destroyer (NDD-2362)
FF = Frigate (NFF-2712)
TA = Tanker (NTA-1271)
TU = Tug (NTU-3214)
TR = Transport (NTA-1131)
VESSEL NUMBERING SYSTEM (FORMAL)
NCC-17-01-CH
N = National/United Federation of Planets
CC = Cruiser
17 = 17th Class of Cruiser built by the Federation
01 = 1st ship in the class excluding prototype.
CH = Heavy Cruiser
(The formal system would be useful when you have more than 100 ships in the class, you could write it out as NCC-17-100-CH to make it clear that it is not the 171th cruiser class built, and the 100th ship in the class -- but on hull markings it would be NCC-17100. The system would also specify what kind of cruiser, in this case, the vessel is. There are many sub-types of cruisers. Having the CH placed last in this case is optimal as having CH before the 17 could indicate that it was the 17th heavy cruiser class)
VESSEL NUMBERING SYSTEM (HULL-MARKINGS)
NCC-1701
N = National/United Federation of Planets
CC = Cruiser
1701 = 17th Class of Cruiser built by the Federation; first ship in class excluding prototype.
CuttingEdge100
Thanks
Okay, so now we have a solid base to work with
HULL PREFIX LETTER
N = National/United Federation of Planets (NCC-1701)
CLASS / TYPE
KC = Dreadnought (NKC-100)
CC = Cruiser (NCC-1701)
DD = Destroyer (NDD-2362)
FF = Frigate (NFF-2712)
TA = Tanker (NTA-1271)
TU = Tug (NTU-3214)
TR = Transport (NTA-1131)
VESSEL NUMBERING SYSTEM (FORMAL)
NCC-17-01-CH
N = National/United Federation of Planets
CC = Cruiser
17 = 17th Class of Cruiser built by the Federation
01 = 1st ship in the class excluding prototype.
CH = Heavy Cruiser
(The formal system would be useful when you have more than 100 ships in the class, you could write it out as NCC-17-100-CH to make it clear that it is not the 171th cruiser class built, and the 100th ship in the class -- but on hull markings it would be NCC-17100. The system would also specify what kind of cruiser, in this case, the vessel is. There are many sub-types of cruisers. Having the CH placed last in this case is optimal as having CH before the 17 could indicate that it was the 17th heavy cruiser class)
VESSEL NUMBERING SYSTEM (HULL-MARKINGS)
NCC-1701
N = National/United Federation of Planets
CC = Cruiser
1701 = 17th Class of Cruiser built by the Federation; first ship in class excluding prototype.
CuttingEdge100
KaiserNathan1701,
Thanks
Okay, so now we have a solid base to work with
HULL PREFIX LETTER
N = National/United Federation of Planets (NCC-1701)
CLASS / TYPE
KC = Dreadnought (NKC-100)
CC = Cruiser (NCC-1701)
DD = Destroyer (NDD-2362)
FF = Frigate (NFF-2712)
TA = Tanker (NTA-1271)
TU = Tug (NTU-3214)
TR = Transport (NTR-1131)
VESSEL NUMBERING SYSTEM (FORMAL)
NCC-17-01-CH
N = National/United Federation of Planets
CC = Cruiser
17 = 17th Class of Cruiser built by the Federation
01 = 1st ship in the class excluding prototype.
CH = Heavy Cruiser
(The formal system would be useful when you have more than 100 ships in the class, you could write it out as NCC-17-100-CH to make it clear that it is not the 171th cruiser class built, and the 100th ship in the class -- but on hull markings it would be NCC-17100. The system would also specify what kind of cruiser, in this case, the vessel is. There are many sub-types of cruisers. Having the CH placed last in this case is optimal as having CH before the 17 could indicate that it was the 17th heavy cruiser class)
VESSEL NUMBERING SYSTEM (HULL-MARKINGS)
NCC-1701
N = National/United Federation of Planets
CC = Cruiser
1701 = 17th Class of Cruiser built by the Federation; first ship in class excluding prototype.
CuttingEdge100
you made a mistake TR = Transport (NTA-1131) but i corrected in my post here
Gagarin,
Well, it works within the framework of what Matt Jeffries initially thought of, explains away the USS Constitution having a -00 in it's hull-number; it includes other types of ships other than cruisers. The KC designation was based loosely on the novel "Dreadnought" in which the ship had a hull-number MKC-2331.
Well, it works within the framework of what Matt Jeffries initially thought of, explains away the USS Constitution having a -00 in it's hull-number; it includes other types of ships other than cruisers. The KC designation was based loosely on the novel "Dreadnought" in which the ship had a hull-number MKC-2331.
In trek, you can use any designation you want , but a quick Google of US Navy ship types got me: AP= transport, AK= cargo ship, AO= tanker, ATF= fleet tugs, AFS= fleet replenishment ships... I kinda generalized the types more fit a Star Fleet as apposed to a Sea borne fleet
Whatever works for you is always good
Whatever works for you is always good
Well, I suppose we could devise other designations for the transports, tankers and tugs
look up hull classifications on wikipedia - the A is for Auxiliary. My first boat was an AE - ammunition ship. Now that the navy has given them up to the Military sealift Command, they're T-AEs. here's a snippet of the article:
Amphibious warfare type
Amphibious warfare vessels include all ships having organic capability for amphibious warfare and which have characteristics enabling long duration operations on the high seas. There are two classifications of craft: amphibious warfare ships which are built to cross oceans, and landing craft, which are designed to take troops from ship to shore in an invasion.
Ships
Ships which have the capability to provide underway replenishment to fleet units.
Amphibious warfare type
Amphibious warfare vessels include all ships having organic capability for amphibious warfare and which have characteristics enabling long duration operations on the high seas. There are two classifications of craft: amphibious warfare ships which are built to cross oceans, and landing craft, which are designed to take troops from ship to shore in an invasion.
Ships
- AKA: Attack Cargo Ship (out of commission)
- APA: Attack Transport (out of commission)
- APD: High speed transport Converted Destroyer or Destroyer Escort (out of commission)
- LCC: Amphibious Command Ship
- LHA: Amphibious Assault Ship (Helicopter Assault)
- LHD: Amphibious Assault Ship (Dock, similar to LHA but emphasis on Landing Craft ability)
- LKA: Amphibious Cargo Ship (out of commission)
- LPA: Landing Platform, Amphibious
- LPD: Amphibious Transport, Dock (aka Landing Platform, Dock)
- LPH: Landing Platform, Helicopter (out of commission)
- LSD: Landing Ship, Dock
- LSH: Landing Ship, Heavy
- LSIL: Landing Ship, Infantry (Large) (formerly LCIL)
- LSL: Landing Ship, Logistics
- LSM: Landing Ship, Medium
- LSM(R): Landing Ship, Medium (Rocket)
- LSSL: Landing Ship, Support (Large) (formerly LCSL)
- LST: Landing Ship, Tank
- LSV: Landing Ship Vehicle
- LCA: Landing Craft, Assault
- LCAC: Landing Craft, Air-Cushioned
- LCFF: (Flotilla Flagship)
- LCH: Landing Craft, Heavy
- LCI(G)(L)(M)(R): Landing Craft, Infantry (Gunboat) (Large) (Mortar) (Rocket) (World War II era)
- LCL: Landing Craft, Logistics (UK)
- LCM: Landing Craft, Mechanized
- LCP: Landing Craft, Personnel
- LCPA: Landing Craft, Personnel, Air-Cushioned
- LCS(L): Landing Craft, Support (Large) (World War II era)
- LCT: Landing Craft, Tank (World War II era)
- LCU: Landing Craft, Utility
- LCVP: Landing Craft, Vehicle and Personnel
Ships which have the capability to provide underway replenishment to fleet units.
- AC: Collier
- AE: Ammunition Ship
- AFS: Combat Stores Ship
- AO: Fleet Oiler
- AOE: Fast Combat Support Ship
- AOR: Replenishment Oiler
- AW: Distilling Ship
- Mobile logistics typeMobile logistics ships have the capability to provide direct material support to other deployed units operating far from home ports.
- AD: Destroyer Tender
- AGP: Patrol Craft Tender
- AR: Repair Ship
- AS: Submarine tender
- AVP: Seaplane Tender
An auxiliary ship is designed to operate in any number of roles supporting combatant ships and other naval operations.- AN: Net Laying Ship
- ARL: Auxiliary Repair Light—light craft or landing craft repair ship (World War II-era, out of commission)
- ATF: Fleet Ocean Tug
- AGHS: Patrol Combatant Support Ship—Ocean or Inshore
- Support typeSupport ships are designed to operate in the open ocean in a variety of sea states to provide general support to either combatant forces or shore based establishments. They include smaller auxiliaries which, by the nature of their duties, leave inshore waters.
- ACS: Auxiliary Crane Ship
- AG: Miscellaneous Auxiliary
- AGDE: Testing Ocean Escort
- AGDS: Deep Submergence Support Ship
- AGER: Environmental Research Ship
- AGF: Miscellaneous Command Ship
- AGFF: Testing Frigate
- AGM: Missile Range Instrumentation Ship
- AGOR: Oceanographic Research Ship
- AGOS: Ocean Surveillance Ship
- AGS: Surveying Ship
- AGSS: Auxiliary Research Submarine
- AGTR: Technical research ship
- AH: Hospital ship
- AK: Cargo Ship
- AKR: Vehicle Cargo Ship
- AKS: Store Issue Ship
- AOG: Gasoline Tanker
- AOT: Transport Oiler
- AP: Transport
- ARC: Cable Repair Ship
- APL: Barracks Craft
- ARL: Small Repair Ship
- ARS: Salvage Ship
- AS: Submarine tender
- ASR: Submarine Rescue Ship
- AT: Ocean-Going Tug
- ATA: Auxiliary Ocean Tug
- ATF: Fleet Ocean Tug
- ATS: Salvage and Rescue Ship
- AVB: Aviation Logistics Support Ship
- AVT: Auxiliary Aircraft Landing Training Ship
Service craft are navy-subordinated craft (including non-self-propelled) designed to provide general support to either combatant forces or shore-based establishments. The suffix "N" refers to non-self-propelled variants.- AB: Crane Ship
- AFDB: Large Auxiliary Floating Dry Dock
- AFDL: Small Auxiliary Floating Dry Dock
- AFDM: Medium Auxiliary Floating Dry Dock
- APB: Self-Propelled Barracks Ship
- APL: Barracks Craft
- ARD: Auxiliary Repair Dry Dock
- ARDM: Medium Auxiliary Repair Dry Dock [1]
- ATA: Auxiliary Ocean Tug
- DSRV: Deep Submergence Rescue Vehicle
- DSV: Deep Submergence Vehicle
- NR: Submersible Research Vehicle
- YC: Open Lighter
- YCF: Car Float
- YCV: Aircraft Transportation Lighter
- YD: Floating Crane
- YDT: Diving Tender
- YF: Covered Lighter
- YFB: Ferry Boat or Launch
- YFD: Yard Floating Dry Dock
- YFN: Covered Lighter (non-self propelled)
- YFNB: Large Covered Lighter (non-self propelled)
- YFND: Dry Dock Companion Craft (non-self propelled)
- YFNX: Lighter (Special purpose) (non-self propelled)
- YFP: Floating Power Barge
- YFR: Refrigerated Cover Lighter
- YFRN: Refrigerated Covered Lighter (non-self propelled)
- YFRT: Range Tender
- YFU: Harbor Utility Craft
- YG: Garbage Lighter
- YGN: Garbage Lighter (non-self propelled)
- YLC: Salvage Lift Craft
- YM: Dredge
- YMN: Dredge (non-self propelled)
- YNG: Gate Craft
- YNT: Net Tender
- YO: Fuel Oil Barge
- YOG: Gasoline Barge
- YOGN: Gasoline Barge (non-self propelled)
- YON: Fuel Oil Barge (non-self propelled)
- YOS: Oil Storage Barge
- YP: Patrol Craft, Training
- YPD: Floating Pile Driver
- YR: Floating Workshop
- YRB: Repair and Berthing Barge
- YRBM: Repair, Berthing and Messing Barge
- YRDH: Floating Dry Dock Workshop (Hull)
- YRDM: Floating Dry Dock Workshop (Machine)
- YRR: Radiological Repair Barge
- YRST: Salvage Craft Tender
- YSD: Seaplane Wrecking Derrick
- YSR: Sludge Removal Barge
- YT: Harbor Tug (craft later assigned YTB, YTL, or YTM classifications)
- YTB: Large Harbor Tug
- YTL: Small Harbor Tug
- YTM: Medium Harbor Tug
- YTT: Torpedo Trials Craft
- YW: Water Barge
- YWN: Water Barge (non-self propelled)
- IX: Unclassified Miscellaneous Unit
- X: Submersible Craft
- "none": To honor her unique historical status, USS Constitution, formerly IX 21, was reclassified to "none", effective 1 September 1975.
Darkwing,
I didn't plan to use the NAR designation as they never appeared in TOS. As for the Auxiliary designation, I don't know if it would be necessary with the Starfleet designation system. The N designation doesn't seem to specify whether the vessel is a line vessel or an auxiliary vessel, I could be wrong though. Instinctively, I figure it would be self-evident that a transport ship is an auxiliary vessel.
Though NAK would make more sense for a transport than NK because NK would sound too close to NKC which is a pseudo-canon designation for a dreadnought.
As for reserve ships, I think it would be more practical to replace the N-prefix with an R-prefix. For example, if NCC-1701 if it ever entered the reserves would be RCC-1701. That way the -CC part would be retained and only the first letter would have to change.
I didn't plan to use the NAR designation as they never appeared in TOS. As for the Auxiliary designation, I don't know if it would be necessary with the Starfleet designation system. The N designation doesn't seem to specify whether the vessel is a line vessel or an auxiliary vessel, I could be wrong though. Instinctively, I figure it would be self-evident that a transport ship is an auxiliary vessel.
Though NAK would make more sense for a transport than NK because NK would sound too close to NKC which is a pseudo-canon designation for a dreadnought.
As for reserve ships, I think it would be more practical to replace the N-prefix with an R-prefix. For example, if NCC-1701 if it ever entered the reserves would be RCC-1701. That way the -CC part would be retained and only the first letter would have to change.
