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The First Duty

I'm pretty sure there backstories are different. For one thing Locarno was expelled and Tom Paris made reference to confessing to screwing up that caused deaths on an away mission and then after that joined the Marquis, there was no mention of a training accident at the academy.
 
We all know well enough, by now, the reason why Nick Locarno wasn't used on Voyager: because the original writers of "The First Duty" would get money every time an episode aired that had Tom Paris in it.

One of the many reasons I hate intellectual property laws, they restrict how far art reaches and in this case how much breathing room it has in terms of creativity.


Nothing was "restricting how far art reaches" or anything of the kind. The producers had the option to use the Locarno character, they just couldn't do it for free.

Take, for example, Richard Belzer's character of John Munch, who (as I understand it) originated on the program Homicide. Yet he is now (and has been for quite some time) a character on Law and Order: Special Victims Unit. Someone, somewhere had to pay David Simon some kind of fee to be able to use the Munch character.

There's a marked difference between what happened with the character of Tom Paris on Voyager and the doom and gloom scenario you're post is seemingly perpetuating.
 
Im not denying they should have creative control over the fruits of their work, but being paid every time a character is used is insane.
 
Im not denying they should have creative control over the fruits of their work, but being paid every time a character is used is insane.

If you were a professional writer, you wouldn't feel that way. -- RR

Professional writer or not I don't understand how anyone can expect to get paid and repaid and repaid and repaid for a single job they did over twenty years ago.

Please don't misunderstand, I'm not disrespecting your craft. In fact I tried my hand at it with limited amounts of success. But there are thousands of equally and more skilled professions out there where the professional gets paid for the job done and must move on to the next to get paid again.
 
At a stretch I'd allow a one off lump sum to be paid....at a stretch.

I think patents time scales should be alot shorter and should just plain not exist in some areas like medicine.
But this is another debate.
 
Im not denying they should have creative control over the fruits of their work, but being paid every time a character is used is insane.

If you were a professional writer, you wouldn't feel that way. -- RR

Professional writer or not I don't understand how anyone can expect to get paid and repaid and repaid and repaid for a single job they did over twenty years ago.

Please don't misunderstand, I'm not disrespecting your craft. In fact I tried my hand at it with limited amounts of success. But there are thousands of equally and more skilled professions out there where the professional gets paid for the job done and must move on to the next to get paid again.
Well, when they are re-using a character, they are making money with it, don't they? I think it's only fair then that the author is paid for it (again).
 
Is the designer of the bridge paid in every episode?
Is tht desirnger of the badge paid in every episodes?
Is the desgner of the uniform paid in every epsidoe?
 
Well, when they are re-using a character, they are making money with it, don't they? I think it's only fair then that the author is paid for it (again).[/QUOTE]

But they paid the author a fee for his talent and time whether they get a return on their investment or not. If the author would have bypassed or reduced his fee for points (a percentage of the profits). Then he should receive return for his "investment" in the project.

I'm a plumber, I install stoves and sinks in some of the most popular restaurants in Manhattan. The owners of these restaurants are making money using the the fruits of my labor. Should I receive a royalty check every time they make money reusing my stove to cook a steak?

I wish that were the case, then we can be having this conversation on the deck of my yacht.
 
Lets face it Locarno=Paris, Paramount didn't pay for the right (Paramount is cheap.), 'Nuff Said. :(
 
Im not denying they should have creative control over the fruits of their work, but being paid every time a character is used is insane.

If you were a professional writer, you wouldn't feel that way. -- RR

Professional writer or not I don't understand how anyone can expect to get paid and repaid and repaid and repaid for a single job they did over twenty years ago.

Please don't misunderstand, I'm not disrespecting your craft. In fact I tried my hand at it with limited amounts of success. But there are thousands of equally and more skilled professions out there where the professional gets paid for the job done and must move on to the next to get paid again.

Tom:

Your point is well taken. However, I'd like to point out there are other professionals who get paid for patenting inventions over and over again, like a heart doctor who designs a better valve for an artificial heart.

Also, the companies that sell movies and TV shows on DVD and other formats get paid over and over again. Why not the writers, without whom the work wouldn't exist?

I think writers definitely proved their worth as demonstrated during the writers strike, when the lamest award shows ever ensued without their services.

Lots of folks do dis what writers do. Trust me, I've been in the unenviable position of being judged by folks who thought they could write, but had trouble crafting a coherent e-mail, let alone copy to sell financial products.

Locarno would have been just as compelling a character as Paris, but for the cheapness of TPTB.

Just my humble opinion as a writer with a little chip on his shoulder!:lol:

Red Ranger
 
"Your point is well taken. However, I'd like to point out there are other professionals who get paid for patenting inventions over and over again, like a heart doctor who designs a better valve for an artificial heart."

Good point but more yes and no. An individual, who in his own time using his own equipment, can invent a product like valve for an artificial heart, patent said product and get paid royalties by manufacturers working off of his or her design. Now if that same individual is working for a bioengineering company and invents the same valve, the rights to that valve belong to the company.

Now move into the art world. Shane Black sits in his apartment and writes Lethal Weapon, he sells the script to Warner Brothers and get paid $250,000. Does he deserve to get paid every time Lethal Weapon is on TV or sells a DVD? I would argue no because he did his job, yes a very important one in terms of the movie, but a job none the less. No different than the editor no different than the camera man.

Let's say Warner Brother's is trying to save the CW from going under and decides to build a TV series around the Martin Riggs character. Does Mr. Black deserve to get paid now? Absolutely. He is the creator of the Lethal Weapon universe.

The writer of First Duty is not the creator of Star Trek, he created one small character within that universe. He was hired and compensated to tell a story in someone else's universe using someone else's characters. His creation of Locarno is a byproduct of telling that story. When the owners of Star Trek decided to make Voyager should they have been allowed to use Locarno freely. I have to say yes. They would have been smart to bring the writer on as a producer, but I'm not going to accuse them of being smart.


"Also, the companies that sell movies and TV shows on DVD and other formats get paid over and over again. Why not the writers, without whom the work wouldn't exist?"

If they were taking the same risks I would agree. Remember most movies and TV shows do not make money, but the writers get paid anyway.

"I think writers definitely proved their worth as demonstrated during the writers strike, when the lamest award shows ever ensued without their services."

I agree 100%.


"Locarno would have been just as compelling a character as Paris, but for the cheapness of TPTB."

Personally I think Locarno would have been much more compelling, if developed properly. Unfortunately the character reflected the whole Voyager premise; a whole lot of wasted potential.
 
No no no!

Paris had a coincidence! Locarno did not! Paris felt guilty and owned up to his mistake, Locarno did not.

After it was all over didn't Locarno eventually step up and admit to everything and shift blame onto himself away from Wesely and Sito
 
Ive never understood why paying the creator of the Locarno character, for its use on Voyager was a big problem.

Was the Locarno creator a major writer, that would have had had to receive big residuals(or whatever it is called)?
 
Ive never understood why paying the creator of the Locarno character, for its use on Voyager was a big problem.

Was the Locarno creator a major writer, that would have had had to receive big residuals(or whatever it is called)?


As I said it before Paramount=Cheap 'Nuff said. :)
 
Myself, I've always had several issues with TFD.

I was once a major Wes fan - its no accident that my main fanfic character is Peter Kirk. I did come to realize that Wes's character was overdone, even WW said so. But I just don't know that this downfall was appropriate to the character. I've always felt that it should have come by way of one of his solutions failing utterly, with him later realizing a simpler one would have worked better, with attending guilt and confidence shattered. Or, he could have turned in Locarno and his squad months before, and would, by the time E-D stopped by, be subject to harassment for squealing, finally coming to the sad conclusion that he is wholly unequipped to deal with people his own age. It could also be a harder look at the structure of SA, which turned right around and spawned another group of collective uber-cadets by the time Nog arrived.

The way things played out also bothered me. Wes is credited for finally doing the right thing, and so is Locarno, yet neither did. Wes was at phaser-point to tell the truth. I don't agree with those who say Nova Squadron could have pulled it out technically by sticking to their story. The testimony of the E-D's crew would have carried way too much weight for that to have held up. A professional crew with a legendary rep would have incinerated a group of lock-step cadets in court. If Wes hadn't, Picard would have, and no judge was just going to dismiss him. As for Locarno, Wes seemed to feel he kept to his word by resigning and taking the blame. Hell, the blame was already on him at that point, and the only way he had to salvage his last shred of dignity was by living up to his own big talk.

Also, Wes seemed either too awed or too cowed to speak up to Locarno until he had no choice. Yeah, his Mom's CMO, and a kid has leeway no one else does, but still, this is a kid who talked down Riker and Picard on their Bridge. That takes something besides privilege to do. I suppose that could be wrapped into the notion I mentioned above of his not being ready for his own age group.

Its been so many years since it aired--is it, as far as anyone knows, still the only ST ep in which the regular is verifiably shown to have committed a wrong, without a good or mitigating reason? Lastly, though its from 'The Game' and not TFD, I do still find it odd that the Academy could overwhelm a kid who had actually served in the big leagues. 'Well, Mister Crusher, you can handle the real thing, but can you handle a simulation of it? When your grade, and the grades of all your squad-mates, are on the line, can you get through until the holodeck door opens, and we break for lunch?!! Then maybe review some book reports for me?'
 
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