"The Enterprise Incident"-Remastered

[Wingsley]

There is another possibility as to how the Romulans aquired the Klingon Battlecruiser, as a war prize after a border skirmish?

JDW

That's the funny thing about "The Enterprise Incident": somehow people assumed when they saw Romulans using Klingon ships and Spock said "Intelligence reports Romulans now using Klingon design", that the Romulans and the Klingons must be allies. That doesn't necessarily follow.

It could be that the Romulans stole the Klingon design, or acquired peices of it from a third party, or salvaged a wrecked Klingon ship and reverse-engineered, etc. I never understood what would motivate the Romulans and Klingons to work together.

 

[Timo]

...And there is ample if circumstantial evidence that they didn't work together, at least not for long.

In "Blood Oath", Kor boasts of fighting the Romulans back in the very early 2270s, suggesting the possible alliance was already over at that point. In turn, the introductory episode for Romulans, "Balance of Terror", suggests these people were basically invisible politically before they started getting invisible physically and attacking their ancient enemies. If they had been active with Earth's worst current enemies, wouldn't this have reflected on the Federation somehow?

If we go the "war prize" route, then it's all the more appealing that there would only be enough of those Klingon ships to fill out two thirds of a battle formation...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[PlainPatrick]

Let them go to hell if they think they can improve upon the writing.

 

[Timo]

It's not as if the writing couldn't be improved upon, ya know...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[PlainPatrick]

Timo, my friend, do you mean fine tuning? Once when I was very small I drew a beaujtiful picture and my Mother said fill in those holes, and she was saying it to keep me busy for a while but my mind said I am a bad artist. So for fine tuning you can ask the new trek writers to look in the hole in my crack.

 

[James Wright]

In "The Enterprise Incident" didn't Spock say there are 3 ships surrounding the Enterprise? I don't remember him saying battlecruisers, if I'm wrong, it won't be the first time!
Who ever did the remaster of this particular episode should have used the 3 battlecruisers, the new paint job looks cool.

JDW

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

That remastered Tholian ship does not look TNG at all. But I still prefer the original design, although without the Nacelles.

but that's the point. It was never intended to be a Tholian ship, but instead it was meant to be a Federation transport. But they had no money and glued naceles on the Tholian ship model for that episode

 

[Timo]

In a sense, it might be a legitimate move to have this pleasure cruiser look drastically different from the usual Starfleet fare. And while the Tholian-with-nacelles model is butt-ugly, it was turned into a pseudo-plausible pleasure cruiser by Todd Guenther, as seen here: http://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/ss-aurora-class-space-cruisers.php

However, the space winnebago of TOS-R is clearly the superior product as far as story logic goes...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Warped9]

There's one BOP and two D7s in the remastered version. Unfortunately, this is another example of the "remastering" actually changing things:

I understand the need to improve the SFX quality, and I don't mind that or replacing "blobs of light" with ship models (like in "Journey to Babel"). But when the remastering team changes established facts (like replacing a Romulan "Klingon-design" ship with a BOP, or changing what the Aurora looks like in "The Way to Eden", just because they can), I think they've gone too far. But, that's just an opinion. I have my un-tampered-with DVD sets to watch, so I'm not really bothered. I enjoy a lot of the updated effects, and just write off the rest as "fan fiction."

Nicely said.

In TEI did they add Romulan markings to the D7s? That would be an appreciated enhancement and also make perfect sense if the ships looked something like the Romulan battlecruisers seen in TAS.

 

[Outpost4]

Yes they did, mentioned upthread.

 

[Warped9]

I just hope they would have added easily visible bird paint on the Klingon-acquired ships, too.

They did. That's something they did very right, and I give the remastering team full credit for that nice touch:

I don't *hate* the remastered stuff - some of it is great. I just object to contradicting the "facts" of what's been long established. Giving a spiffy Romulan paint job to the D7s is an improvement. Changing one of them to a BOP isn't. All of this is just my opinion, of course.

Yes. That does look nice.