The Dominion is at full strength (pre Alpha Quadrant conflict)
Species 8472 is at full strength (pre Borg conflict)
Who would win?
Species 8472 is at full strength (pre Borg conflict)
Who would win?
The Dominion vs. Species 8472
- Thread starter c0rnedfr0g
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Species 8472. No contest.
& Don'ch you fa'getit!
(It's a good thing too, I was originaly going to say ''STOP copying me!'')
I don't know; can the Dominion beat the Vorlons?
^Not a chance!
Well a pre-war Dominion has Remata'Klan, and Remata'Klan could take fluidic space by himself.
Species 8472 would tear the Dominion into silly little pieces of French cheesecloth.
S-8472 would probably eradicate ALL the White, ensuring a Γ Quadrant-wide bloodbath & an interstellar tsunami of slaughter.
Then S-8472 would most likely take out ALL the Vorta cloning clinics.
Then S-8472 would cast their gaze upon Foundera, or Changeling Prime if you want to call it that.
S-8472 would then turn the Great Link into the Great Sink. S-8472 would put the Founders on ice - permanently.
With the nuisance Dominion gone, S-8472 would be all pumped & ready to take out the pesky Borg, plus all the other Δ Quadrant pests.
Then, then.......Species 8472 would be all set to devour the ignorant, complacent, ill-prepared & unsuspecting interstellar civilizations of the α and β Quadrants.
S-8472 would probably eradicate ALL the White, ensuring a Γ Quadrant-wide bloodbath & an interstellar tsunami of slaughter.
Then S-8472 would most likely take out ALL the Vorta cloning clinics.
Then S-8472 would cast their gaze upon Foundera, or Changeling Prime if you want to call it that.
S-8472 would then turn the Great Link into the Great Sink. S-8472 would put the Founders on ice - permanently.
With the nuisance Dominion gone, S-8472 would be all pumped & ready to take out the pesky Borg, plus all the other Δ Quadrant pests.
Then, then.......Species 8472 would be all set to devour the ignorant, complacent, ill-prepared & unsuspecting interstellar civilizations of the α and β Quadrants.
You would think that given that Species 8472 was on the verge of defeating the entire Borg Collective that they could defeat the Dominion. However, that war was heavily shaped by how the Borg did things and revealed a major weakness: if the Borg cannot assimilate an enemy or its technology then it cannot adapt. The Dominion would not be hampered in such a way.
Look at Voyager it was on its own limited to around a hundred beings made up of around 100 beings, only some would be "scientists" and they came up with a ultimate weapon against 8472 in a couple or days (maybe hours, can't remember how long it took). There is no reason why the Dominion wouldn't be able to do the same thing, maybe not create the same weapon as Voyager did as it was based on Borg tech, but they might be able to come up with weapons and defences that could better deal with the threat. In a protracted conflict I'm not sure if 8472 could win, it depends on how much they are willing to lose. Janeway destroyed a few of their ships and they gave up immediately, that doesn't speak to them having much stomach for a war that would be more akin to the Dominion War and not just a romp their war was initially with the Borg.
Look at Voyager it was on its own limited to around a hundred beings made up of around 100 beings, only some would be "scientists" and they came up with a ultimate weapon against 8472 in a couple or days (maybe hours, can't remember how long it took). There is no reason why the Dominion wouldn't be able to do the same thing, maybe not create the same weapon as Voyager did as it was based on Borg tech, but they might be able to come up with weapons and defences that could better deal with the threat. In a protracted conflict I'm not sure if 8472 could win, it depends on how much they are willing to lose. Janeway destroyed a few of their ships and they gave up immediately, that doesn't speak to them having much stomach for a war that would be more akin to the Dominion War and not just a romp their war was initially with the Borg.
I don't think it's that big of a weakness, all things considered and if that weakness isn't properly utilized. The Borg couldn't adapt to Starfleet's weapons in First Contact and they were still able to hammer through most of Starfleet's defenses with nothing but brute force. As well, in addition to assimilation/adaptation immunity, Species 8472 had the added benefit of just insanely strong firepower, to the point where a squadron could blow up a planet. There's just more to fighting the Borg than getting around adaptation.
man after reading some epic Borg vs. Dominion threads I thought for sure DS9 fans would jump all over this
The Dominion doesn't stand a chance against species 8472 without access to Borg technology or creating proper bio weapons.
Voyager had 2 advantages:
Access to Borg nano-probes
Access to 8472 tissue (from Harry Kim) for proper analysis.
Dominion has neither for one thing, and given the overall technological superiority of 8472, the Dominion loses ... badly.
The Borg had issues penetrating defenses of the 8472 bioships to begin with.
What Voyager effectively did was developed bio-weapons against 8472 ... something that SF never does (although this was a desperate situation and the fate of the galaxy was at stake) ... and the Dominion as I mentioned earlier, has no access to 8472 tissue for proper analysis and development of technologies to fight them.
Voyager was only successful because it utilized special weaponry in combination with Borg tech to begin with.
Voyager had 2 advantages:
Access to Borg nano-probes
Access to 8472 tissue (from Harry Kim) for proper analysis.
Dominion has neither for one thing, and given the overall technological superiority of 8472, the Dominion loses ... badly.
The Borg had issues penetrating defenses of the 8472 bioships to begin with.
What Voyager effectively did was developed bio-weapons against 8472 ... something that SF never does (although this was a desperate situation and the fate of the galaxy was at stake) ... and the Dominion as I mentioned earlier, has no access to 8472 tissue for proper analysis and development of technologies to fight them.
Voyager was only successful because it utilized special weaponry in combination with Borg tech to begin with.
A squadron of Dominion ships could presumably blow up the useful portions of a planet already. Going beyond vaporizing everything down to the mantle is just showing off.
Can the dominion find an enemy so big that they themselves cannot beat it?
And if a Founder shapeshifts into a tree and then falls over and there are no Vorta or Jem'hadar around to see it, can the Great Link hear it?
On the topic of the OP, I'm going with the Dominion. They have the size and the huge armies and fleets of Jem'hadar to throw at the 8472. Plus they are ruthless as hell and will stop at nothing to achieve victory.
And if a Founder shapeshifts into a tree and then falls over and there are no Vorta or Jem'hadar around to see it, can the Great Link hear it?
On the topic of the OP, I'm going with the Dominion. They have the size and the huge armies and fleets of Jem'hadar to throw at the 8472. Plus they are ruthless as hell and will stop at nothing to achieve victory.
I'm going to go with the Dominion as well.
As cited above, the Dominion don't have the same achilles heal that the Borg have. Not only that, but I'll go out on a limb and say that I think the Dominion has a better war-production capacity than the Borg do.
And if anything, the Dominion by way of the Founders repeatedly demonstrated its prowess with genetic engineering which is more than enough for me to assume that they would have at least as good of a chance, and probably a better one, of engineering bio-weapons than the Borg/Voyager did.
As cited above, the Dominion don't have the same achilles heal that the Borg have. Not only that, but I'll go out on a limb and say that I think the Dominion has a better war-production capacity than the Borg do.
And if anything, the Dominion by way of the Founders repeatedly demonstrated its prowess with genetic engineering which is more than enough for me to assume that they would have at least as good of a chance, and probably a better one, of engineering bio-weapons than the Borg/Voyager did.
What about attack strategy? Would either side have enough knowledge of fluidic/normal space to open fissures behind enemy forces and destroy key targets?
Additionally, the Dominion has multiple species to help innovate while, from what we know, fluidic space only contains Species 8472.
Additionally, the Dominion has multiple species to help innovate while, from what we know, fluidic space only contains Species 8472.
It's a possibility, sure, but in terms of feats, we never saw that happen, and blowing up a planet could be a hugely morale-blowing tactic. We can't really tell how quickly or how many Dominion ships it would take to pull off huge planet-wide destruction. And really, during the war, they never needed to do anything that drastic against our heroes.
I mean, we know 40 (?) Romulan and Cardassian ships ripped apart the decoy planet's crust, punching through the mantle. We also know that 150 Dominion fighters massacred that fleet in a pretty embarrassing way. Does that mean 150 Dominion fighters is more or less efficient than 8 Species 8472 vessels? Do we have a proper way to judge that either way? I just shrug and leave those deeper questions to more capable people, if it's possible for them to figure it out
^Nah, we don't have any way to judge really. It's basically writer's fiat.
How about Romulans vs. 8472?
Considering Romulan D'Deridex warbirds are powered by quantum singularities, and Species 8472 uses quantum singularities to exit fluidic space, Species 8472 might just emerge right out of the reactor core.
How about Romulans vs. 8472?
Considering Romulan D'Deridex warbirds are powered by quantum singularities, and Species 8472 uses quantum singularities to exit fluidic space, Species 8472 might just emerge right out of the reactor core.
^Nah, we don't have any way to judge really. It's basically writer's fiat.
How about Romulans vs. 8472?
Considering Romulan D'Deridex warbirds are powered by quantum singularities, and Species 8472 uses quantum singularities to exit fluidic space, Species 8472 might just emerge right out of the reactor core.
If you open up a warbird's airlock, a comical amount of Species 8472 dressed up as clowns pop out
If you open up a warbird's airlock, a comical amount of Species 8472 dressed up as clowns pop out
^ These posts = awesome. And featuring clowns!!
But 8472 had nothing to do with our galaxy before the Borg...
But that being said, given suicide attacks, ship yards at 100% and the easy soldier replacement... and the Dominion's biological warfare ability... Bye 8472. I mean, if Janeway could do it... we can.
