Is there anyplace to get reliable digital download totals? Yes, Blu-ray and DVD are shrinking, but revenue from downloads should be on the rise.
The Domestic Box Office run is ending, International is kicking in.
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Is there anyplace to get reliable digital download totals? Yes, Blu-ray and DVD are shrinking, but revenue from downloads should be on the rise.
I was wondering the same thing. I don't buy DVDs anymore. I buy with my Vudu account.
I recall Star Trek Into Darkness was the #3 digital download for 2013.
Indeed (see link below for verification). Star Trek Into Darkness was a massive success for Paramount. As was ST09, which is still 10th in the list of the best selling blu rays of all time. It will be interesting to see how Beyond fares, but I just don't think this film holds much interest for the casual film goer. Hopefully, JJ Abrams will come back and literally save the franchise again.
http://investor.rentrak.com/releasedetail.cfm?releaseid=825897
http://www.the-numbers.com/alltime-bluray-sales-chart
Interestingly, STID is 47th on the all time blu-ray chart. Most impressive considering the decline of physical media. Harshly critiqued by some Trekkies (not this one), but loved my the masses, ST09 and STID have superlative scores on Rotten Tomatoes, meta critic etc...
The final word is not out yet, but considering 'Beyond' is already on pretty much every credible list of "flops" for this year, and industry insider magazines using it together with Warcraft as their prime example on articles on "how China can not save a movie", it doesn't look very good.
The 2x multiplier doesn't need support, since it's just an assumption, not a law. Consider this: 50% of your ticket prize goes to the creators of the movie (Paramount), 50% to your local cinema (they guy with the big screens that clean up after you leave the movie). Domestic. International, the local distributors (that sell the movie to local cinemas) need to get paid as well, so only 35% (Europe) to 25 % (China) goes to the guys who made the movie. You can do the math yourself, then.
Again, that's not a law. Reality is a lot more complicated, where the lions share on opening weekend goes to the creators, while the longer a movie is running a bigger part of the pie goes to the cinemas. It's only a rule of thumb, but it helps you guess some profits: If a movie manages to make twize it's budget at home (domestic), it broke even, and every penny more earned is profit. Not included are marketing costs, and doesn't really apply for movies that make more money international than domestic. A small independant movie might already make a profit after it made 1,5x it's budget. The latest blockbusters (those with a giant marketing campaign) sometimes need more than 3x to make a profit.
The exact accounting numbers won't get published though. They will give a general win/loss numbers to the shareholders, but for those we have to still wait a bit. We pretty much know by now that 'Beyond' isn't really a "success", the question remains if it's as big a dissapointment that it kills the sequel, or if Paramount still sees it as a consistent money maker that will make a profit next movie, on a smaller budget.
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Thank you for once again go bringing up that 50% domestic of the box office take going to studios is only an estimate and that it's actually a sliding scale, with more money going opening weekend and less going each subsequent weekend. This is why second run theatres can survive charging $6 for a regular ticket and $3 on Tuesdays. Because they still make as much profit as the chain charging $12 on opening weekend. It's another reason studios front load movies and care so much about opening weekends, and why eventually "profitable" movies using the public guesstimate metrics - like, say, Dredd - still don't get follow ups.
The studios get a lot more money if a movie makes $150 mil on its opening weekend than if it makes $150 mil over two months.
This also explains why there's a world of difference between Warcraft's and Beyond's performance and the difference between one being a disappointment and one being a bomb. Beyond will end around $160 million domestically and had a $60 million opening weekend. Warcraft did a pathetic $47 million domestically - Star Trek will more than triple that performance. Terminator Genesys is a similar story - great global numbers but a poor domestic performance, $89 million, including a laughable $42 million over a 5 day holiday weekend. The domestic performance is why those two won't get sequels, Star Trek is in a different situation...
Same message here as in the other thread: the personal digs need to stop.
"Not to single any one person out. I've been seeing unnecessarily personal responses from quite a few people in this thread, and it really needs to be reined in.
I get that there's some ego involved in having the right analysis of whatever the current box office figures are, but no one should get so invested in being right that they're attacking someone for presenting a different answer to what the figures are supposed to mean. Again, if you're going to find fault with the analysis or with the conclusion, be sure that that is what you're attacking, and not the person who presented it.
Not only is it possible to make a case for your conclusion without being shitty to the person whose conclusion may be different from yours, I fully expect everyone to rein in their BOX OFFICE MASTER!™ egos enough to make it happen."
I get that there's some ego involved in having the right analysis of whatever the current box office figures are, but no one should get so invested in being right that they're attacking someone for presenting a different answer to what the figures are supposed to mean. Again, if you're going to find fault with the analysis or with the conclusion, be sure that that is what you're attacking, and not the person who presented it.
Not only is it possible to make a case for your conclusion without being shitty to the person whose conclusion may be different from yours, I fully expect everyone to rein in their BOX OFFICE MASTER!™ egos enough to make it happen."
I don't even know why any of it matters in the firs place. It's just a movie. Enjoy it or don't enjoy it. Personally it's my favorite of the 3, mainly due to the great character moments and solid dialogue between the main characters, something that I felt was sorely missing from the first two movies. Maybe the movie didn't resonate with general audiences, that's ok. It's still making a bucketload of money. It's unfortunate budgets are so inflated as to render those buckets pointless, but whatever...again, just a movie.
Problem is, it's not making a 'bucketload money'. They are losing money.
Based on our uninformed accouting
They won't lose money. When all is said and done, it will likely turn a tidy profit. But, Paramount wanted to be at the gravy stage already, and they're not.
Which is why I said, "It's unfortunate budgets are so inflated as to render those buckets pointless." Three hundred million is a lot of money.
This is a thread discussing the business side of the movie. If you're not interested in that, then no one is forcing you to post here.
Throw some links at me son!
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What I'm not interested in is the egos, posturing, and all around fighting over numbers. Discuss away, but be reasonable about it.
Most films do not "make a profit" in the way that is calculated by most business. Hollywood accounting is one of those odd things in that expenses can be written against a film for decades after it's out of theaters.
Only Paramount and CBS can decide if they are "losing money."
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