The Domestic Box Office run is ending, International is kicking in.

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  1. F. King Daniel

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    It only features clips of the movies, hence no DS9, VOY or ENT (or TOS or TNG)

    I suspect VOY and DS9 not being HD would have precluded their inclusion anyway.
     
  2. Captain of the USS Averof

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    What a great and really thought out article! Forbes have been knocking it out of the park with their Trek coverage lately. And they gave Beyond an amazing review!

    There isn't even a single shot of TOS (or TOS-R) in the entire video! A video about the 50th anniversary of… TOS!
     
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    Nope. Paramount knows that September movies don't do well when school starts and the summers is over in the US. There's a reason why most tentpole franchises open in the summer. The "BIG" opening this week made $34-35 million for the weekend.

    Also, the 50th anniversary has been mentioned to death in every article about Beyond. Anyone who didn't know it, wouldn't have been anymore likely to see it simply because of the 50th anniversary...ie: casual fans. Most Trekkies already knew about it.

    So basically Forbes is talking out it's ass and second guessing in hindsight.


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  5. Captain of the USS Averof

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    By now everyone has spotted the obvious.

    The io9 article is another example of a really thought out article. So is this article from the New York Times.

    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/09/08/opinion/who-stole-my-star-trek.html
     
  6. RAMA

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    Except statistically, they are clearly wrong.:techman:

    Here you go, maybe this will help you understand:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dump_months


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    You mean this silly, puff nostalgia opinion piece from the NYT?

     
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    "Except statistically, they are clearly wrong.:techman:

    RAMA"

    I applaud you for providing an objective argument (i.e. one that uses facts rather than opinion) with regards to the biggest September openings. Here is a list of the biggest September openings - and indeed, none are that impressive:
    http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/weekends/month/?mo=09

    However, the article acknowledges this argument and provides a counterpoint:

    "The biggest debut weekend for September is the $48 million opening for Hotel Transylvania 2. And discounting the month’s top grosser (Crocodile Dundee from back in 1987, it was a different world), there are four somewhat recent September releases that have earned between $140m and $169m domestic, which is precisely where Star Trek Beyond ended up anyway. Maybe it would have had a smaller opening weekend. Maybe it would have had shorter legs (kids back in school). But it’s tough to argue that the current result ($165m domestic and $300m-and-counting worldwide) wasn’t close to the worst-case scenario. I would argue that the prime reason for Star Trek Beyond’s relative underperformance was the fact that it played as a “nothing special” summer release for general audiences. Opening Star Trek Beyond in September and on the 50th anniversary makes it an event two times over."

    At the end of the day, this is a "what if scenario" and as such can only ever be debated, never proved - even with some facts to back up one or the other viewpoint. So your statement that "statistically they are clearly wrong" is not objective, rather it is your subjective opinion. You could well be right Mr RAMA, just as the author of the Forbes and io9 article might be right
     
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    But times change - until 'Spiderman' and 'The Scorpion King' prevailing studio thought was "You can't release a film in May to good BO results." -- Just saying.
     
  9. RAMA

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    Great news Trekkies(not you fakers rooting against it..boo) Beyond was slightly higher than my prediction officially at $318,080,627. I believe this does not count the Sunday China figures which have not been announced just yet (due shortly). So in fact, it'll be slightly higher than this total.

    Edit: The Sunday China figures are in: $3.47 million. $11.3 million weekend. #1 film in China for the second weekend. Beyond total: $321,550,627

    [​IMG]

     
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    cool - getting to at least 350m ww must be a lock at this point :)
     
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    This! :bolian:

    Exactly! :techman:

    @M'Sharak do I have permission to answer in similar tone?
     
  12. JamesRye

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    :) nice weekend for Beyond in China. Hopefully, the film can crack $350 million. It's ironic that we are so focused on the B.O when mankind has outgrown money in the world of a Star Trek.
     
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    The only thing it acknowledges is that the magnitude of the dump periods is not the same as it used to be. The numbers still speak for themselves. The most recent Sept weekend for example:

    [​IMG]

    The July 22nd weekend did more than twice the business of where Sept 8th fell. So the facts still stand. End of story.

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    Taken by itself this would not be so bad, but as part of a consistent pattern of you making little passive-aggressive digs after being asked repeatedly to refrain from doing so, this earns you an infraction for trolling. Comments to PM.

    No, and I suggest you knock off the petty retaliatory notifications against posters you're arguing with and buck up. This whole back and forth series of digs and frivolous notifications (not just this one) over box office numbers is ridiculous.
     
  15. BillJ

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    Good to see it having a successful run in China. Just can't figure out why it didn't do better here...

    Oh, well. It isn't my money.
     
  16. RAMA

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    Usually you can plug in an equation for a well known franchise: Awareness, good reviews, good fan reaction, good opening and out the other end comes good results. Well they are GOOD but they are not what they could have been. I'm still thinking if the script change and the retooling hadn't happened under Lin that we'd have had an extra $30+ million to the domestic.

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    Yes $350 is a sure thing now. Like STID, Beyond has made more money internationally than domestic.
     
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    RAMA

    Actually the reported number for China does include Sunday's results (which were announced over 5 hours ago), now of course like the US box office these are still estimates (especially true for Sunday in which they are projections), so you can see some serious adjustments a little later in the week to correct when all countries actually have final numbers.
     
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