The Domestic Box Office run is ending, International is kicking in.

That statement makes no sense.

X-men First Class, Batman Begins, Wolverine, Captain America, Terminator, and ST09 all have sequels. Tarzan and ID2 only came out a few months ago. And Edge of Tomorrow and Mad Max are apparently both moving forward with sequels.

 

On the 50th anniversary, Paramount posted this video on Facebook, reaffirming their plans to continue cinematic Trek
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1578894522127047&id=122908054392375

 

Good points. I agree the bad release day was also a factor in Beyond's disappointing box office run. Why did the studio rush to have the film out in 2016 and not take advantage of the 50th anniversary is beyond me (no pun intended). I can't think of a better day to release the new movie than September 8, 2016. Both the release day and the marketing made the film look generic and inconsequential and not special enough.

Let's see if this makes more sense to you. Tarzan 2 isn't happening, forget about it. Despite your claim Terminator 4: Salvation never got its sequel even though it was announced as the first of a new trilogy. Terminator 5: Genisys is not a sequel to T4 and T5 will also never see a sequel even though it earned $440 million ($140 millions more than Beyond in the box office. It was also announced as the first of a new trilogy by the way. Edge of Tomorrow 2 doesn't even have a script yet and no confirmed green light from the studio. Mad Max 5 was announced but also hasn't moved forward. Independence Day 3 was also announced even before ID2 was released. Want to bet if it happens or not? Like I said, most of these movies as of this time don't have sequels.

 

If you don't want to count a new terminator movie as a sequel, that's fine with me. You're still talking about only 5 out of 10 movies, 2 of which only came out a few months ago, and 2 more of which are in the process of developing some kind of sequel. Is that a guarantee a sequel will happen? No, but the fact that the studios are actively looking at the possibility is proof that a sequel is at least plausible at that level of returns.

 

You're really scrounging now. lol We posted that on the BBS.

He only said that because he knew there were going to be "spoilers" in it. Not because he didn't like them...get a grip. The marketing had nothing to do with the box office.

During the post-May 20th marketing blitz, no one was saying anything about marketing, there was so much going on, then the box office was disappointing, despite improving on original projections by $15 million for the release. All of a sudden some places whispered "marketing" and then it's been repeated since as a truism. Sheep.

RAMA

 

Yup, pretty much a done deal. Beyond will make money, Discovery has..the franchise is doing really well right now.

RAMA

 

You could have corrected his misunderstanding or misrepresentation of Pegg's call to avoid the TV spots due to spoilers without making the "sheep" remark. Since it's not directed at him specifically, I'll let it go with a verbal warning this time, but please don't do that again.

 

Terminator Genisys is as much of a sequel to Terminator Salvation as Star Trek 2009 is a sequel to Star Trek Nemesis.

And a sequel is always plausible. After all Disney made Bambi II 64 years after the original. That's what I said (and I am repeating for the 3rd time) "as of this time".

First of all spoilers in trailers ARE considered bad marketing. WB/DC was bashed because the second trailer for Batman v Superman gave away the real villain Doomsday. Same thing to Terminator Genisys that revealed the film's big twist that John Connor was a Terminator and the villain. Again even the director Alan Taylor is on record complaining about it. Exactly the same reason why Pegg complained in Twitter.

Secondly do you have any outside source that verifies that "marketing had nothing to do with the box office" or are you trying to pass your opinion as fact? Even a single one? I already have posted a lot of articles from industry sites as well as Trek sites that criticize Paramount for both the quality and quantity of marketing and the bad release date that ultimately affected the box office. Here's another new one:

CBS and Paramount Royally Screwed Up Star Trek's 50th Anniversary

"The first trailer for Star Trek Beyond was released in December, 2015. Nothing more was heard about the film for ages, until Paramount announced it would premiere a new trailer at a special “fan event” on May 20, 2016. And while the cast and crew were willing to talk about Beyond in terms of the anniversary, nothing in the promotional material for the film mentioned it. The closest thing to an acknowledgment we got was a poster which clearly invoked The Motion Picture. Even stranger, the movie’s release date was pushed back from July 8 to July 22, when they could have pushed it even further and actually pegged it to this week’s anniversary. Then they could have also used San Diego Comic-Con to bring out the cast to promote it, especially since they didn’t have anything the previous year. What did we get instead? A commercial which revealed one of the big twists of the movie and was so bad that the writer/star said not to watch it."

Do you have any outside source that verifies that "Beyond will make money" in its theatrical run in cinemas or is it your undocumented opinion again? Because every industry and site article that I've read reference Beyond as a box office disappointment. I've already listed some. Here is a another new one:

Ben-Hur Remake on Track to Lose $120M at the Box Office

"…ultimately Paramount may be in worse shape overall. Paramount has faced a long string of disasters such as Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Out of the Shadows and Star Trek Beyond from this summer alone. As it stands, Paramount is on track to lose more than $500 million over a two-year period. So yes, Paramount Pictures is going to lose less money than MGM, but they can ill afford to lose any more money, especially on something they were hoping to bring in big money."

In both cases outside sources say the opposite of what you're claiming but don't let that dissuade you. You probably know better than all the professionals in the industry.

 

Yes, but the way you framed your remarks made it look as if Pegg was opposed to the tone or theme of the later TV spots and trailers (like he had some misgivings about the "Sabotage" trailer) rather than just warning people to avoid the spoilers in them until they could see the film, which is a vastly different issue.

 

I'm glad that you state that Pegg "had some misgivings about the "Sabotage" trailer" because even that documented fact was disputed around here.

About the other trailers I simply stated that "he [Pegg] had problems with others [trailers] after that" [first one] but I never specified or implied anything about tone or theme. Perhaps I should have explained what I meant like I did above. That Pegg and me agree that huge spoilers in trailers hurt more than help movies.

Funny thing is some that argued here against Paramount's bad marketing and wrong release date for Beyond have stated in other threads that ST4 needs a different release date and better marketing that exploits the A-list guest stars more!!!

 

China did a healthy $4.27 million estimate for Beyond today. Not spectacular but fine. $247,000 yesterday US. Current estimate: $306,877,004

 

@ wrong release date. The date was dictated by the late start on the movie and the scrapped script. I'm sure the original target was May/June. If they start on ST4 soon, and they already have the writers and story, they could aim for May 2018.

Typical fan not understanding that these dates don't come out of thin air.

Actually, the documented fact (which I posted on the early box office thread I believe), is that the trailer was not badly reviewed. Don't forget that. Out of all the videos, only the official one had 60% positive. All the others were 10 to 1 or above positive.

Your comments about Pegg are inference, not fact. The 30 sec commercial with the big spoiler only came out a couple of days before the movie. Not a big deal really. The reaction I saw online to the actual tv commercial was very positive.

RAMA

 

Yeah. Exactly what I thought. You've got nothing. Not a single outside source proving your claim about a successful marketing campaign and a good release date. Not a single outside source proving your claim about Beyond having a successful box office run in cinemas.

Not that you believe all that even yourself. In another thread you ask for a different release date, a different marketing strategy and a smaller budget for ST4.

What are you talking about? The July 22 date is the correct one. Are all your numbers and figures this flawed?

 

Reading STB is a disaster - wow, that is harsh. I would never, ever call STB a disaster.

I still can not get over how badly the Barco Escape was handled at my local theater. Let's squeeze three screens into the smallest audiotorum we have, and charge extra for this experience.

There were not many memorable movies this past summer. Over time, they became all samey, especially the tentpole movies. I am attempting to think what set the Star Trek movie apart from other movies this summer. It had the familiar revenge trope which was in many of the films. The actors did a good job; however, at no point did I feel they were challenged by the roles they were playing. Chris Pines was a better actor in Hell or High Water - that was a great movie and it challenged Pines as an actor. The villain was uninteresting. When was the last time that Hollywood made a truly iconic villain? I can not remember.

Watching the video from Paramount above, I was taken back by how obtrusive those lens flares were. Here are Spock and Uhura kissing, and they are outshone by the damned lens flare.

I am not looking forward to a fourth movie, honestly. I am feeling the Star Trek movies have gone into a ditch of uncreativity. I am pretty sure the next film, if there is one, will involve revenge and the villain will be another bore. And it will be competing against other films with the same storyline. Star Trek needs to get out of the ditch. It needs a different kind of story. (When just about every tentpole involves the same storyline, can we honestly say the writers are giving us their best effort?)

 

Edit: China's Saturday revised upward to almost $5 million. Revised estimate: $307,467,004. Tomorrow we should have a better idea of the exact overall foreign total.

Saturday US will be in the $500k range, and Sunday $200k. Mexico, maybe $1.5 million. China made over $22 million (estimate) since it's opening weekend.

Just a small note. Avg ticket prices in China are about $6.40 a movie. In the US, it's: $8.61

 

Interesting article by Forbes about why Paramount should have opened Beyond this weekend the actual 50th anniversary of Star Trek, rather than back in July.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottme...d-have-opened-in-theaters-today/#41c79cfe1679

 

Everybody's an expert, I guess.

 

Grousing much, Jedi_Master.

People are Mondary quarter backing this film because I believe they geniunely wanted it to succeed and because it is not succeeding they are looking for the reasons.

 

The video celebrating the 50 years of Star Trek was done for CBS Consumer Products. So, it is not necessary a statement on there being another film. It could be a statement about their upcoming show.

Is it not interesting that there was no mention of DS9, VOY, or ENT in that video? Have they been relegated to the dust bins of history by CBS?