The Die is Cast....question and observation

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Deep Space Nine' started by Photon, Mar 22, 2021.

  1. Photon

    Photon Commodore Commodore

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    Observation: the final scene w/Odo entering Garak's burned out shop and conversing was a great moment in DS9. Esp w/the Odo in the mirror and Garak w/his back turned

    Question: did the Defiant get better shielding/weapons between The Search and Die is Cast. They certainly had much better results vs the Dom Fighters
     
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  2. DonIago

    DonIago Vice Admiral Admiral

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    I don't think it's established canonically, but it would make sense.
     
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  3. Timo

    Timo Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    It's a bit of a balancing act. If Starfleet lets the Dominion notice that their shields are getting better, then the tactical surprise in "Call to Arms" won't work too well... So if the Defiant really packs cutting-edge shield improvements, she better leave no witnesses.

    Hollywood villains tend to grow less scary and powerful with time. But in many cases, this is actually realistic. Surprise and shock wears off. Some villain tricks only work once. Attack from ambush gives an exaggerated view of the potency of an enemy. Etc.

    We also have to consider the fact that these are the mindless minions of a ruthless enemy who is ready to utilize suicide tactics (of said minions!) for reaching relatively minor goals. Just like there's a seeming contradiction between Obi-Wan being impressed by the sharpshooting of Imperial Stormtroopers, but a legion of them failing to hit the barn door from the inside in the subsequent fight that culminates in the escape of the heroes with a tracking device aboard, we might be seeing an enemy force deliberately being commanded to lose the fight.

    Odo here is escaping pretty much like Luke's posse. His destination is not unclear - but his survival is valued by the enemy at least as much as that of Luke was by Vader. In both cases, we lack explicit information. Did the Founders know enough to order the runabout to be hit in a nonlethal manner and any possible help (such as the Defiant) be allowed to win? Did Vader in ANH already realize Luke was his son? Nothing wrong with either assumption...

    Timo Saloniemi
     
  4. tomalak301

    tomalak301 Fleet Admiral Premium Member

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    I would think watching the tape of their first encounter with the Jem'Hadar would lead to upgrades more than half the year down the line.
     
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  5. Timo

    Timo Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    ...Which might well mean the Dominion would be even more superior, for having watched such tapes a lot.

    Fortunately for our heroes, the Dominion doesn't appear to take war seriously, presumably for not having lost any in the past 2,000 years.

    Timo Saloniemi
     
  6. Oddish

    Oddish Commodore Fleet Captain

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    The Dominion had some special technologies that allowed them to beam through shields, scan through cloaks, and trash Galaxy class starships. Once the Federation is aware of this, they can start developing countermeasures. Expecting/being at war is a great motivator, concerning technological advances.