The destruction of Romulus in the novelverse

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

Going backwards in the timeline might be easier than going forwards.

Somehow, "to boldly back up and try again" or "to boldly side-step" doesn't have the same ring...

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Eventually there going to have resolve the impasse at some point won't they?

Of course, unless they simply never mention the Romulans (or have any Romulan characters) ever again, which like I said is impossible to do, given how important Romulans are to the political landscape of the day.

 

[Voth commando1]

Could they use some sort of time travely wushu washy anomalyly plot device to resurrect Romulus or side step the problem?

 

[DimesDan]

Do any of you think the novelverse will reach the year 2400?

Potentially they could, reaching the 25th century, now that's the biggy.

Eventually there going to have resolve the impasse at some point won't they?

They could or it could be decided to say fuck it and just start over.

What do you think @Voth commando1 will happen?

 

[Christopher]

Could they use some sort of time travely wushu washy anomalyly plot device to resurrect Romulus or side step the problem?

We can't change or unmake canon. Onscreen Trek is "real" Trek; the novels are just conjectural stories of what might have happened in the gaps in canon, the historical fiction to the canon's history. The only context in which canonical history could be rewritten or contradicted is in Myriad Universes or some other clearly indicated alternate timeline.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ The Good That Men Do managed to reconcile TATV well enough. I don't see why that couldn't happen here.

 

[Kemaiku]

^ The Good That Men Do managed to reconcile TATV well enough. I don't see why that couldn't happen here.

TATV had Tucker winking at Archer during the death scene to already indicate it wasn't real or that the Holo-Author knew it wasn't.

Hobus going superfuckingmegahyper nova would have set off every subspace sensor in the galaxy, and had every major power wondering if they were going to survive this massive natural disaster wiping away the entire Romulan Star Empire in days.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

But we don't see Hobus happen "live". All we see of it are other people's memories of it. That leaves some wiggle room.

 

[Kemaiku]

Spock said the thing was going to destory the galaxy, and was willing to give his own life to save everyone. That's about as done a deal as there is.

 

[Idran]

But we don't see Hobus happen "live". All we see of it are other people's memories of it. That leaves some wiggle room.

I'd rather not have the books continue by making Spock either an idiot or a fool. To say "oh he just thought Romulus was going to be destroyed" would be making his sacrifice not just meaningless, but pointless. Why make the last thing that Spock will ever do in the eyes of everyone in the Prime timeline a gigantic mistake?

 

[Kemaiku]

"One hundred twenty-nine years from now, a star will explode, and threaten to destroy the galaxy. "

So, yeah.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

I'd rather not have the books continue by making Spock either an idiot or a fool. To say "oh he just thought Romulus was going to be destroyed" would be making his sacrifice not just meaningless, but pointless. Why make the last thing that Spock will ever do in the eyes of everyone in the Prime timeline a gigantic mistake?

As far as they know, he died. They aren't aware of the Kelvin-verse...

Hardly a fitting epitaph for "redshirt ambassador Spock" - "Oops."

 

[Kemaiku]

As far as the Prime Timeline is concerned, Spock Prime died eliminating the heart of the Hobus event that would have burned away the entire galaxy and everyone in it. And although it decimated the RSE, their race survived (if endangered) and the rest of the galaxy is safe thanks to him. But the Remans may now be extinct, if not enough of them lived away from Remus.

 

[Idran]

As far as the Prime Timeline is concerned, Spock Prime died eliminating the heart of the Hobus event that would have burned away the entire galaxy and everyone in it. And although it decimated the RSE, their race survived (if endangered) and the rest of the galaxy is safe thanks to him. But the Remans may now be extinct, if not enough of them lived away from Remus.

They established in "Articles of the Federation" (and I think near the end of the "A Time To..." series?) that there were offworld refugee camps set up for Remans under the jurisdiction of the Klingons.

Also, remember, we don't know that it decimated the entire Romulan Star Empire; all we know is that Romulus was destroyed. The RSE was huge, and it could still potentially carry on with a different capital world akin to the Federation in "The Chimes at Midnight".

For a nation as large as the RSE was, losing the homeworld would be devastating emotionally, but it doesn't have to be nation-ending any more than the US would end if DC were destroyed, or any more than China would end if Beijing were destroyed.

 

[Kemaiku]

Well then both will survive at least, just not in significant numbers.

 

[Allyn Gibson]

Eventually there going to have resolve the impasse at some point won't they?

I have no idea. That's an issue for the lawyers. I do find it somewhat puzzling that CBS Licensing is willing to license the films to IDW Publishing but not to Pocket Books.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

Would you say at this point re-unification has never looked so good in both realities, or would it only lead to renewed calls for further division?

 

[Kemaiku]

Romulans moving to Vulcan would certainly save their race, and finally have them all back on one planet. But it would leave Romulan space empty of leadership, their conquered races free of their masters (those that lived) and the Klingons laying claim to everything left that they always wanted, and no one to stop them.

Or the Typhon Pact attempting to collectively claim that space as theirs and trying to take it. Federation aid being given when possible, after the Borg invasion that can't be as much anymore.

 

[Idran]

I have no idea. That's an issue for the lawyers. I do find it somewhat puzzling that CBS Licensing is willing to license the films to IDW Publishing but not to Pocket Books.

Not just IDW, but Cryptic too. Mostly. From what I've been told, STO can't reference anything from the actual Abrams movie timeline, but it can reference anything from the Prime timeline in the Abrams movies?

Also careful folks about the grey area between theorizing and story ideas, just for a reminder.

 

[20fridge]

From what I've been told, STO can't reference anything from the actual Abrams movie timeline, but it can reference anything from the Prime timeline in the Abrams movies?

I think that was the original deal. Recently they received permission to include things from the Kelivn timeline and there's at least one mission set in that timeline.