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The Defenders--Marvel/Netflix

I found The Defenders incredibly boring and laborious to watch, waaaay too talky and full of plot holes and stoopid characters.
So the NYPD just lets people roam the hall of their precinct, waltzing into evidence lock up and taking whatever they wish and into their investigation rooms viewing pictures and whatever?
When did Madame Gao develop her super powers?
How is it Luke can get shot by multi bullets and can't be stabbed but a kick in the face knocks him down or even out?
Why does Danny's powers work for one punch then he needs to recharge for hours on end and then when need be he can go through and entire fight with the fist charged and then just continue on like a walk in the park?
 
Skywalker said:
Was the whole thing about the Hand harvesting fossilized dragon bones to fuel their immortality meant to be a metaphor for oil and how important it is to modern military powers maintaining their strength and influence, or am I just seeing something that's not really meant to be there?
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I think you're seeing things that aren't there.

PKerr said:
So the NYPD just lets people roam the hall of their precinct, waltzing into evidence lock up and taking whatever they wish and into their investigation rooms viewing pictures and whatever?
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Yeah, I have to admit that I found that whole situation rather dubious, especially when Colleen broke into the evidence locker. Granted the whole precinct was going crazy at the moment because of the breakout, but at least the evidence clerk should've been present. And yet they were all surprised when the C4 went missing. :lol:

PKerr said:
When did Madame Gao develop her super powers?
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She always had them. She tossed aside Daredevil in his second season and Iron Fist in his season.

PKerr said:
How is it Luke can get shot by multi bullets and can't be stabbed but a kick in the face knocks him down or even out?
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Who did that to him besides Danny (his fist) and Elektra (given the same powers that Gao and the other fingers have)?

PKerr said:
Why does Danny's powers work for one punch then he needs to recharge for hours on end and then when need be he can go through and entire fight with the fist charged and then just continue on like a walk in the park?
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Some gobbledygook about the balance of the chi. Best not think too hard about it. :lol:
 
Do you ever see something teased in a TV show that you know is going to be prevented, but still hope happens? I knew that
Stick wouldn't end up killing Iron Fist
, but I desperately wanted it to happen. It sucked so much that they tease exactly what I wanted then just don't do it. To badly paraphrase a half remembered line from a mediocre Batman movie

"Stick is the hero we need, but (apparently) not the one we deserve right now".

But, just for what he tried to do, he's my favorite character on Defenders. If only the boring zombie called Elektra hadn't have stopped him, he'd be the biggest hero in the entire MCU.

Anyway, as for the rest of the episode, I only got through parts of it (specifically the parts with the villains) by reminding myself that Sigourney Weaver is actually a pretty good actor, she's not usually a boring block of wood and its only the terrible writing on her part of this show that's making her seem so much less talented at her job then she usually is. Elektra still sucks. She was pretty good in DD Season 2 (once you accept she has absolutely nothing in common with the actual Elektra from the comics), but in this she has nothing. She's not a character, she's an emotionless machine that is limited to fight scenes or those completely pointless, infuriatingly slow scenes with Weaver's character where so little happens time actually breaks and starts going backwards as you watch.

Also in this episode, Jessica Jones did the first thing in all of her appearances that made me almost like her for a few seconds by punching the worst goddamn character in the MCU right in his whiny face. This show is a weird mix of being half pretty good and half borderline intolerable.
 
kirk55555 said:
Iron Fist is quite possibly the stupidest person in the Marvel Cinematic universe. Not a unique opinion, but its what's been going through my head watching Defenders.
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Yep. I don't mind the Iron Fist season as much as most, but Danny as a character really comes across as lacking in the brains department. I suppose we could blame some of it on monks who were more inclined to hit him with sticks than teach rational thought-processes.
 
Watching Episode 7, if Misty doesn't get her arm viciously removed in this or the last episode I'll be disappointed. She's definitely the second worst character after Danny (with Colleen a very close 3rd). She actually made me feel sympathy for Jessica Jones because Jones had to deal with such an idiotic, close minded moron like Misty. Knight spent 75% of Luke Cage's show going after him because she was too stupid to realize he was the good guy, and her complete incompetence is still in full force. For some reason everything connected to the comics Heroes for Hire stuff is all terrible except for Luke Cage. Its like the writers are somehow just creatively incapable of making certain characters work.

Speaking of Luke, he could not, under any circumstances, be knocked out by a ninja using their bare hands. Now, if someone used gas or something, I'd accept it. Or something magical, like the Iron Fist (although the MCU one shouldn't have worked just because of how crap a fighter he is). But there is no physical attack that could take him out without some kind of gimmick. The Hand and Elektra can no more knock him out bare handed then they could suplex an elephant.

Moving on to the villains, Zombie Elektra is still terrible even if she did finally save the audience from Sigourney Weaver's terrible character. The fact that her motivation is now completely nonexistent doesn't help, along with The Hand in general being pathetic. That said, if they had at least killed the whiny brat known as Iron Fist I'd have forgtiven them for being crap, but even though I'm not done yet I know they, unfortunately, don't kill the worst MCU character.

This show is really only surviving on the strength of Luke and Daredevil as characters. At this point every scene without at least one of them is torture, but they have enough decent stuff that it makes the show worth watching. Its bizarre how it works like that. I think it just means that the other characters aren't workable even with decent writers, although based on the villains of this show the writers aren't even that decent.
 
Finally watched the final episode. Overall, I liked the series a lot.

It had a great start but did seem to slow down a bit. I guess that was only natural given the breakneck pace of the first few episodes. I loved the way the group got together. Luke,and Jessica, especially Jessica, true to their previously established patterns, proved to be the least in favor of a team up.

Liked how all of the characters were given things to do. Luke, DD, Jess, Colleen, Sigourney, Misty, Claire, all great. I have never cared for Stick, however. The character is such a cliche.

Danny wasn't quite as bad here as in IF, but close. To me, the problem is Finn Jones. The producers would do well to limit or drop the eastern philosophy stuff the character sometimes spouts. Finn lacks the ability to create the requisite mystique required to make the lines believable. The lines fall completely flat when deliverde by Jones.

In the last shot, was that the Hand Sensei dude laying on the bed? I wasn't sure.
 
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To me, Danny Rand is too rash and immature to be believed as a martial arts master capable of acquiring the status of the Iron Fist. Unless it's something you win in a carnival game.
 
gblews said:
Finally watched the final episode. Overall, I liked the series a lot.

It had a great start but did seem to slow down a bit. I guess that was only natural given the breakneck pace of the first few episodes. I loved the way the group got together. Luke,and Jessica, especially Jessica, true to their previously established patterns, proved to be the least in favor of a team up.

Liked how all of the characters were given things to do. Luke, DD, Jess, Colleen, Sigourney, Misty, Claire, all great. I have never cared for Stick, however. The character is such a cliche.
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The way all the characters had some reason to be there really helped make the show enjoyable.
 
I started Defenders last night and right now this show feels like four shows in one. They are spending way to much time keeping them a part when the selling point of this show is bringing them together.

Also Jessica Jones should have had a season 2 prior to this show. While it's slowly coming back to me, i forgot what her powers were.
 
Did anybody else find it weird when Claire called Colleen the foundation for the group? Which group? She's barely interacted with anybody except Iron Fist and Claire.
 
tomalak301 said:
I started Defenders last night and right now this show feels like four shows in one. They are spending way to much time keeping them a part when the selling point of this show is bringing them together.

Also Jessica Jones should have had a season 2 prior to this show. While it's slowly coming back to me, i forgot what her powers were.
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Basically Superstrength.
Also enabling her to jump really high and similar stuff.
 
Timelord Victorious said:
Basically Superstrength.
Also enabling her to jump really high and similar stuff.
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So would a fight between Luke and Jessica be a draw? Luke can take punches as we saw with Danny but you have super strength and unbreakableness. Seems like that would be an interesting fight.

By the way I saw up to episode 3 tonight. Nice to see the Defenders are finally together but remind me what was Black sky again? Was that basically turning Elektra into a WMD?
 
tomalak301 said:
So would a fight between Luke and Jessica be a draw? Luke can take punches as we saw with Danny but you have super strength and unbreakableness. Seems like that would be an interesting fight.

By the way I saw up to episode 3 tonight. Nice to see the Defenders are finally together but remind me what was Black sky again? Was that basically turning Elektra into a WMD?
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We saw Jessica fight Luke in her show.
She had to use a shotgun to his face to knock him out.
 
tomalak301 said:
I started Defenders last night and right now this show feels like four shows in one. They are spending way to much time keeping them a part when the selling point of this show is bringing them together.
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It's called building suspense. If a story gives you everything immediately, it's all downhill from there. Making you wait for the payoff makes it more satisfying when it comes.

Besides, it had to set up the characters individually to remind the audience where they were in their respective stories, or to introduce them to viewers who hadn't seen one or more of the previous seasons. And that took time.
 
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