The deep dark secret of Alderaan...

[CorporalCaptain]

He'd make any line sound terrible.

Maybe this was the problem.

 

[Admiral Shran]

^Isn't Qui-Gon not addressed as anything other than "master" until halfway through TPM? (I believe RLM brought this up) Also a lot of the Jedi masters weren't named-not even sure Mace Windu was either. The most marketable villains of course were (Darth Maul, General Grievous) as were a good chunk of the podracers (Especially in the DVD/blu-ray extended cut of the scene) but plenty of ships and others were not.

Mace Windu wasn't named, but he didn't really have to be. He was Samuel L. Freakin' Jackson!

He's referred to as "Master Windu" in AOTC and I'm pretty in ROTS as well. But was the name "Mace" ever spoken on screen?

 

[TremblingBluStar]

He's referred to as "Master Windu" in AOTC and I'm pretty in ROTS as well. But was the name "Mace" ever spoken on screen?

You are mistaken. I'm 100% sure he was called "Master Winnfield" in the film.

Who's Anakin talking to, Qui-Gon or the audience? Sounds like the audience.

Exactly my point.

I felt the same way in Episode III when the droids attacking Anakin's fighter are named. I forget the exact line, but it was something like "they are using cutter droids!"

Well, duh!

 

[Silvercrest]

See, from what I understood, at the end of Revenge of the Sith, the twins are taken away from him, so that they can be safe from him having turned to the dark side. That's also heavily implied in original trilogy. So, obviously there's some form of hiding involved, for the both of them. It's when Luke is of age that Vader starts to look for him. It's odd though that considering Anakin spent so much of his time on Tattooine, that Luke would be sent there, as that would most likely be the first place Anakin would look.

Or the last place, depending on the psychology involved. And most characters in Star Wars don't think like normal people.

I've always envisioned that Luke and Ben might have been placed there for Vader & co. to find. Their first protection is still that Vader doesn't know about his kids and has no reason to look for them. But just in case he ever starts to suspect, you place one of the kids in a spot that's relatively easy to find, and easily identifiable-- hence the last names.

Ben is there, also easily identifiable, as part of the show. He would train Luke if it didn't appear Vader was going to find him, but he also would be on hand to kill Luke if it ever appeared he was going to fall into Vader's hands.

Regardless of what happens to Luke and Ben, Vader's suspicions are satisfied and he has no reason to keep looking. Really, how likely is it that Luke is a twin and there's yet another kid hidden out there?

Meanwhile, Leia is protected by multiple layers of anonymity, sheltered in the heart of the Rebellion. She can then be trained at leisure as a proper Jedi.

 

[PsychoPere]

^ Interesting possibilities, certainly, except who would have trained Leia if Vader and/or the Emperor had found Luke and Obi-Wan had been forced to kill Luke to keep him out of Imperial hands? Obi-Wan himself would likely be dead, and Yoda was in self-exile on Dagobah with no way off the planet - and it seems only Obi-Wan knew where Yoda was in the first place, so Bail Organa couldn't have come looking for Yoda if he heard about Obi-Wan's death and decided it was time for Leia to be trained.

 

[Silvercrest]

I figured a few other people knew where Yoda was. Bail would have been part of the arrangement I referred to, so it would be logical for him to know.

Even if he didn't, Yoda was obviously capable of keeping an eye on things and knowing when he was needed on Alderaan. And a Jedi with Yoda's abilities could influence someone to come to Dagobah and pick him up.

 

[Broccoli]

So that just begs the question, what was "the Academy?"

Starfleet, obviously.

 

[Owain Taggart]

See, from what I understood, at the end of Revenge of the Sith, the twins are taken away from him, so that they can be safe from him having turned to the dark side. That's also heavily implied in original trilogy. So, obviously there's some form of hiding involved, for the both of them. It's when Luke is of age that Vader starts to look for him. It's odd though that considering Anakin spent so much of his time on Tattooine, that Luke would be sent there, as that would most likely be the first place Anakin would look.

Or the last place, depending on the psychology involved. And most characters in Star Wars don't think like normal people.

I've always envisioned that Luke and Ben might have been placed there for Vader & co. to find. Their first protection is still that Vader doesn't know about his kids and has no reason to look for them. But just in case he ever starts to suspect, you place one of the kids in a spot that's relatively easy to find, and easily identifiable-- hence the last names.

Ben is there, also easily identifiable, as part of the show. He would train Luke if it didn't appear Vader was going to find him, but he also would be on hand to kill Luke if it ever appeared he was going to fall into Vader's hands.

Regardless of what happens to Luke and Ben, Vader's suspicions are satisfied and he has no reason to keep looking. Really, how likely is it that Luke is a twin and there's yet another kid hidden out there?

Meanwhile, Leia is protected by multiple layers of anonymity, sheltered in the heart of the Rebellion. She can then be trained at leisure as a proper Jedi.

Haha, very true. In the end, like all movies, it ends up being very circumstantial. It's like my Mom and my Grandfather before her, who used to say it was all arranged by the writers

 

[Dream]

Who cares about Alderaan? It is never mentioned again in the OT after ANH, not even by Leia.

 

[TremblingBluStar]

Starfleet, obviously.

I figured he was going to become a cop with Steve Guttenberg and Bubba Smith.

Who cares about Alderaan? It is never mentioned again in the OT after ANH, not even by Leia.

True. I chalk that up to the one off nature of the first film. Like I've said before, nothing of any of the events in the first film was made in the sequels. No mention of Luke destroying the Death Star. No mention of Leia being captured and tortured by the Empire. No mention of Biggs dying. No mention of Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru dying.

I think the only mention ever of events from the first film was in RoTJ when Han told Luke "now there's two you owe me", and when Luke asked Obi Wan why he lied about Luke's father. The second was only there because the writers needed to explain away an obvious inconsistency.

 

[Broccoli]

^ You can level that claim at any sequel really.

In RotJ, Bespin isn't mentioned, the battle of Hoth isn't mentioned, the asteroid field where Han and Leia hid isn't mentioned, Lando's betrayal isn't mentioned. In AotC, the Naboo invasion isn't mentioned, Darth Maul isn't mentioned, Boss Nass and his cronies aren't mentioned, Anakin almost being rejected isn't mentioned, QuiGon isn't mentioned. In RotS, Padme's assassination attempt isn't mentioned, Jango Fett isn't mentioned, the mystery surrounding the clones isn't mentioned, the death of all various Jedi are not mentioned.

Take it to other franchises, in Star Trek III, Khan isn't mentioned, Chekov's assignment on the Reliant (and the Reliant in general) isn't mentioned, etc. In The Dark Knight, Ra's attempt to destroy Gotham isn't mentioned, the League of Shadows isn't mentioned, etc.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

I felt the same way in Episode III when the droids attacking Anakin's fighter are named. I forget the exact line, but it was something like "they are using cutter droids!"

The Cutter Droids I'll give you.

 

[TremblingBluStar]

^ You can level that claim at any sequel really.

In RotJ, Bespin isn't mentioned, the battle of Hoth isn't mentioned, the asteroid field where Han and Leia hid isn't mentioned, Lando's betrayal isn't mentioned.

Yes, but at least Jedi's plot somewhat followed what went on in Empire. Han was captured and needed to be rescued, Luke needed to go finish his training and confront Vader, he finds out that Vader is really his father, ect. A person who hasn't seen any Star Wars film would have a much harder time following along with Jedi without having seen Empire than Empire without having seen the first film.

 

[The Old Mixer]

I guess it depends how far back you go...movie audiences at the time didn't need the first film rehashed...they'd watched it to death for three years (thanks to theatrical re-releases) and were eager for a new story featuring these characters. Seeing the first regular showing of TESB on opening day, every familiar character got some sort of audible audience reaction when they first appeared onscreen...the most memorable reactions being to the droids and Vader. That's the beauty of this movie...in repeated home video viewings, the first came to suffer, in my experience, from spending so much time setting up the situation. TESB assumes you're already familiar with all that, and dives right into revisiting those old friends.

Could it be possible that TESB is the general fan favorite of the series because it has the least exposition...?

 

[Broccoli]

^ You can level that claim at any sequel really.

In RotJ, Bespin isn't mentioned, the battle of Hoth isn't mentioned, the asteroid field where Han and Leia hid isn't mentioned, Lando's betrayal isn't mentioned.

Yes, but at least Jedi's plot somewhat followed what went on in Empire.

That's because the film purposely had a cliffhanger. They had to address the things left open. At the end of the first movie, everything was pretty much resolved. They didn't need to go into overt references to it in the follow-up. They mention some things in the opening crawl (new rebel base, destruction of the Death Star) and in brief conversation between the Emperor and Vader (DVD version), but that's it. Oh, also Han's debt to Jabba is mentioned a couple of times in Empire.

Point is, there was no need for Leia to talk about her capture or Luke's time on Tatoonie in Empire without it feeling forced.

 

[The Old Mixer]

Han's debt is actually played pretty prominently in his story beats in TESB...clearly direct continuity with ANH. They could've just written it off and said that Han had gone back and paid his debt between movies, or not addressed it at all...but it informs his actions in this film and sets up the payoff of this arc in ROTJ.

 

[TremblingBluStar]

Could it be possible that TESB is the general fan favorite of the series because it has the least exposition...?

I don't think that has anything to do with it. Empire has just as much exposition as the first film, but it is used to expand on what we already know or introduce new characters and worlds. Nearly everything said by Yoda was in some way exposition about the Force.

I don't think the first had excessive exposition either. Yes, Obi Wan has exposition heavy scenes where he explains stuff to Luke, but nearly every other scene makes good use of it's dialogue. In both films, the opening crawl does more to explain the story and plot than anything else.