The dedicated Disco crying thread

[fireproof78]

As with most issues I do think it is overblown and imagined as occurring more frequently than what is actually happening in the show.

 

[Gilora]

This thread made me cry.

.......ahem. I still think that if one wanted to criticize something about the crying, they should rather criticize the story itself for thrusting Burnham into a constant stream of situations that make her cry. Other than Nhan's grand exit which fell completely flat for me, I don't remember any instances where her crying would've been inappropriate for the situation. Seriously, with all the stuff she's been through since the Binary Stars, I'd actually find it more concerning if she didn't cry.

I also find it quite frustrating that many keep describing her crying as full-blown "meltdowns", "emotional breakdowns" and other similar terms, when we usually see her weep silently at most, sometimes even shedding only a single tear. It's not like she's bawling loudly with puffy red eyes because someone ate her burrito while she was getting herself a glass of water.

Quite. Almost all of the occasions when Burnham cried involved death and/or permanent separation from a loved one. And in the case of Nhan, I can understand it a bit because of both being present when Airiam died.

 

[Cyrus]

The crying on the show doesn't bother me, But the continuous bitching about it here does a little bit.

 

[Angry Fanboy]

The crying on the show doesn't bother me, But the continuous bitching about it here does a little bit.

Maybe just scroll past those posts then?

 

[Cyrus]

Maybe just scroll past those posts then?

That is exactly what I do, have never replied to any of them. But I thought it was OK to post about it in a thread dedicated to the subject.

 

[fireproof78]

The crying on the show doesn't bother me, But the continuous bitching about it here does a little bit.

Yes, especially in review thread. "Burnham did/did not cry." It's like-is that the only reason we are watching this show?

 

[ITDUDE]

Yes, especially in review thread. "Burnham did/did not cry." It's like-is that the only reason we are watching this show?

Not for the quality of the writing, that’s for sure

 

[fireproof78]

Not for the quality of the writing, that’s for sure

Mileage varies.

 

[antinoos]

Kilometrage, too

 

[Dee1891]

All the "crying" would suddenly be magically okay if Rick Berman's name was in the credits. Under Berman, it would be called "damned good writing!" But, because it's Michelle Paradise (and Alex Kurtzman), it "sucks".

If Picard, Sisko, and Archer had emotional outbursts, it would be called drama. But Janeway, like Burnham, lacks the Magic Y Chromosome. So Janeway is "irrational" and "erratic" and Burnham, well, we don't need to get into that...

So a lot of this comes down to sexism. No matter how else they might try to dress it up.

Very few in this fandom will acknowledge this. I've noticed that both Star Wars and Star Trek fandom have been guilty of both sexism and racism. However, it seemed as if the Lucasfilm fandom tend to lean toward racism, and the Trek fandom tend to lean heavily toward sexism.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

Very few in this fandom will acknowledge this. I've noticed that both Star Wars and Star Trek fandom have been guilty of both sexism and racism. However, it seemed as if the Lucasfilm fandom tend to lean toward racism, and the Trek fandom tend to lean heavily toward sexism.

Nah Trek fans do pretty well for themselves in the racism stakes as well and homophobia and transphobia while we're at it.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

I'm so sick of them crying in every damn episode.

It doesn't happen in every episode.

You can have emotion without fking crying every episode.

It doesn't happen in every episode.

 

[shapeshifter]

I miss DISC

 

[Char Kais]

People don't like the crying in Star Trek Discovery because it makes the show look like a YA teen-tween romance drama show.
BTW, the Discovery seasons 3 and 4 showrunner was previously a writer and showrunner of a YA teen-tween romance drama show.

Furthermore:
1) Sonequa Martin-Green is a bad actress.
2) Michelle Burnham, and others, are crying too much.

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3) Michelle Burnham's crying, and the overemotionality of the show in general, lacks narrative weight (because of bad writing).

Remember good Star Trek?
Remember when scenes with crying (TNG Family) had an impact?

Remember when scenes showed character development?

Remember when scenes revealed something about a character?

They are even hugging and crying!

Remember when scenes had narrative weight and impact?

Not this stuff:

This scene exemplifies my points.

1) The girls (besties of course) are saying goodbye to each other and crying and hugging. So YA.
2) Lack of narrative weight.
Burnham and Nhan know each other in-universe time only for a few weeks (maybe even less than a month).
I think that Burnham and Nhan have less screen time before this episode in two seasons than Kira and Marritza have in one episode alone (I have not checked that).
But we need to show hyperemotionality...

 

[The Wormhole]

Remember when scenes showed character development?

Character development is not typically something anyone remembers Classic Trek for.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

People don't like the crying in Star Trek Discovery because it makes the show look like a YA teen-tween romance drama show.
BTW, the Discovery seasons 3 and 4 showrunner was previously a writer and showrunner of a YA teen-tween romance drama show.

Furthermore:
1) Sonequa Martin-Green is a bad actress.
2) Michelle Burnham, and others, are crying too much.

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3) Michelle Burnham's crying, and the overemotionality of the show in general, lacks narrative weight (because of bad writing).

Remember good Star Trek?
Remember when scenes with crying (TNG Family) had an impact?

Remember when scenes showed character development?

Remember when scenes revealed something about a character?

They are even hugging and crying!

Remember when scenes had narrative weight and impact?

Not this stuff:

This scene exemplifies my points.

1) The girls (besties of course) are saying goodbye to each other and crying and hugging. So YA.
2) Lack of narrative weight.
Burnham and Nhan know each other in-universe time only for a few weeks (maybe even less than a month).
I think that Burnham and Nhan have less screen time before this episode in two seasons than Kira and Marritza have in one episode alone (I have not checked that).
But we need to show hyperemotionality...

Bullshit post from start to finish.

 

[Lord Garth]

My three take-aways:

1. He's actually seen Star Trek. I couldn't tell that before because all he'd been doing is post charts. Credit where credit is due.

2. He doubled-down on everything I said upthread without realizing it. He tried to be sneaky, but no dice.

3. His post basically boils down to, "How dare this show I don't connect with have moments I don't connect with!"

 

[fireproof78]

His post basically boils down to, "How dare this show I don't connect with have moments I don't connect with!"

Pretty much. It's this idea that since in the past I connected with Trek I must connect with all Trek.

Never been my experience. For me, TNG was that show so when I watched Picard break down in Generations I was just bored. Sounds bad, I know. But, I don't hold that against the film.

 

[F. King Daniel]

1) The girls (besties of course) are saying goodbye to each other and crying and hugging. So YA.

I'm curious if there are any/many women in your life, because that's exactly how women in my circle act and react when they're parting ways. Perhaps more real-life experience will have you revisit the show with a new perspective.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Bullshit post from start to finish.

He or she is good at shiposting, if nothing else.