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The Day of the Doctore Review Thread (Spoilers?)

So what did you think?

  • Brilliant: Geronimo.

    Votes: 188 77.7%
  • Very Good: Bow Ties are Cool!

    Votes: 38 15.7%
  • Ok: Come along Ponds.

    Votes: 10 4.1%
  • Passable: Fish Fingers and Custard.

    Votes: 5 2.1%
  • Terrible: Who da man?

    Votes: 1 0.4%

  • Total voters
    242
  • Poll closed .
Except that the Fifth Doctor's sonic screwdriver was destroyed in the episode "Four to Doomsday." So they're not continuous incarnations of the exact same one unless the Fifth Doctor had a backup somewhere.

So? It only had to be continuous from Hurt's Doctor's screwdriver to Smith's Doctor's screwdriver. The War Doctor initiated the calculation, and the Eleventh Doctor's screwdriver finished them. The Fifth Doctor's screwdriver doesn't factor into the matter.

This is a problem for me, in that the next time I rewatch the Eccleston stories, I'm going to listen to the Doctor telling Rose about the Time War and how horrible it was and that he's the last of his people and the lone Dalek is the last of its people... and feel cheated, because oops, it never actually happened, haha.

Why?
 
This is a problem for me, in that the next time I rewatch the Eccleston stories, I'm going to listen to the Doctor telling Rose about the Time War and how horrible it was and that he's the last of his people and the lone Dalek is the last of its people... and feel cheated, because oops, it never actually happened, haha.

Didn't you feel cheated back when Daleks suddenly began appearing all over the place despite the Moment had destroyed them all? We saw an awful lot of Daleks for that to be the last one of their people.

At least now we know where they come from.
 
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Was there some reason they couldn't use Christopher Eccleston's regeneration face from "Bad Wolf". It wouldn't have been too difficult to insert.
They might have to get him to agree to the usage, I guess?
But he already appeared. He even said "for my next magic trick" during the Doctors appearences in the end.

Plus, his regeneration face in The Parting of the Ways isn't him. Its clearly a CGI recreation of his face, since he didn't actually do the close-up for that scene and didn't film the customary hand-over with Tennant.
 
Except that the Fifth Doctor's sonic screwdriver was destroyed in the episode "Four to Doomsday." So they're not continuous incarnations of the exact same one unless the Fifth Doctor had a backup somewhere.

So? It only had to be continuous from Hurt's Doctor's screwdriver to Smith's Doctor's screwdriver. The War Doctor initiated the calculation, and the Eleventh Doctor's screwdriver finished them. The Fifth Doctor's screwdriver doesn't factor into the matter.

This is a problem for me, in that the next time I rewatch the Eccleston stories, I'm going to listen to the Doctor telling Rose about the Time War and how horrible it was and that he's the last of his people and the lone Dalek is the last of its people... and feel cheated, because oops, it never actually happened, haha.

Why?

Yep - the fate of Gallifrey had already changed with End of Time having the planet time locked and trying to break free only to be return indicating it wasn' t destroyed.

And with the planet time locked, it was removed from it's time frame and as far as the universe was concerned it was gone for good. As what he believed was the only timelord outside the timelock the doctor believed he was the last.

Then we got the sound of drums.

So day of the doctor didn't invalidate was rose was told. That happened well before now.
 
Also, I have to rewatch the scene again, but it seemed to me we got a glimpse of Eccleston's face during the regeneration, akin to young Hurt in "The Night if the Doctor." But maybe it's just me.
day-of-the-doctor-hurt-eccleston-regendoctor.jpg

Was there some reason they couldn't use Christopher Eccleston's regeneration face from "Bad Wolf". It wouldn't have been too difficult to insert.

For one thing Eccleston didn't regenerate in Bad Wolf. ;)
 
I feel like an idiot! When we first hear the Curator, I thought Smith would turn to see Capaldi.
It was David Bradley for me. :alienblush:

Yeah, same here.


Oh fuck- watch the Five-ish Doctors on Red Button, and then re-watch Day Of The Doctor...
And if you can't get Red Button?

The episode is up on the BBC website and it's not geo-locked. I just watched it and I'm not in the UK, either.
 
I enjoyed it in the moment. I went to a Doctor Who viewing party in Baltimore, and there were about 100 people there in a make-shift theater. Moffat's Who is tailor-made to be watched with a crowd. It makes for a good communal activity.

When I stopped to think about it, it falls apart.

There are some interesting implications to the story. It cleverly rewrites the RTD era by rewriting the assumptions of the era but leaving the text itself intact.

But on a narrative level, it was setpieces in search of a plot. The Zygon plot existed long enough to function as a MacGuffin and was then dismissed for the real meat of the story -- the Doctor's culpability for the Time War. (That's not unusual for Moffat; the Daleks were important in "Asylum of the Daleks" to the extent that they let Amy and Rory's relationship problems play out.) The tenth Doctor had no significant narrative function that I could discern except to be part of the MacGuffin.

I guess the "present" in the 2020s, which means that Clara is from the 2020s. Either that, or she's older.

Hurt's Doctor could have been Eccleston or McGann. I defended the casting of Hurt as an unknown incarnation of the Doctor, but in execution this felt like an excuse to cast a name actor as the Doctor. And I was disappointed by the regeneration at the end, though dialogue suggests there's about 100 years between that event and "Rose," and I'm fine with that. :)

The real crime was how the story absolved the Doctor of the guilt for using the Moment, but then making him forget that he didn't so he carried that guilt for 400 years. Hurt's Doctor got to be acknowledged as the Doctor, yet he promptly forgets this fact and his subsequent incarnations see him as anathema. Moffat gives us a warm-fuzzy ending then yanks it away. The story doesn't have the courage of its own convictions.

In the final analysis, except for a few throwaway moments, this was largely a culmination of Doctor Who post-2005, as it resolved a number of outstanding issues from the past eight and half years.

Moffat did what he does best -- he delivered popcorn entertainment. And when consumed as popcorn, like Brannon Braga's best Star Trek work, it went down fine. It's when you stop and think about what you've eaten that you start to wonder what it is you've eaten and you have second thoughts.
 
I guess the "present" in the 2020s, which means that Clara is from the 2020s. Either that, or she's older.

Eh? Where'd you get that from? I didn't see any indication that the present was not our present.

While Hurt's Doctor doesn't get to keep the "warm fuzzies" of having saved Gallifrey, Eleven (and subsequently Twelve) does, which is what's important. The current Doctor gets to know he put right what he once did wrong.
 
I guess the "present" in the 2020s, which means that Clara is from the 2020s. Either that, or she's older.

Eh? Where'd you get that from? I didn't see any indication that the present was not our present.

A couple of reasons:

Kate Stewart and the Doctor know each other, making it clear this is after The Power of Three, which takes place in 2016 and 2017.

Clara must have some sort of an education degree in order to be a teacher. That sort of thing takes years and we had no indication she was previously educated enough to be a teacher.

EDIT: Damn, got ninja'd. But I'll also add that likely Moffat just doesn't give a damn about consistent dates. Hell, the episode does include a joke about UNIT dating.
 
Except that the Fifth Doctor's sonic screwdriver was destroyed in the episode "Four to Doomsday." So they're not continuous incarnations of the exact same one unless the Fifth Doctor had a backup somewhere.

So? It only had to be continuous from Hurt's Doctor's screwdriver to Smith's Doctor's screwdriver. The War Doctor initiated the calculation, and the Eleventh Doctor's screwdriver finished them. The Fifth Doctor's screwdriver doesn't factor into the matter.

Tennant's screwdriver was destroyed twice. Once in the hospital on the moon episode and once in "the eleventh hour". I'm going to assume the Tardis keeps a copy of the software.
 
EDIT: Damn, got ninja'd. But I'll also add that likely Moffat just doesn't give a damn about consistent dates. Hell, the episode does include a joke about UNIT dating.

Don't feel ninja'ed. Your dates are more accurate than mine, and I hadn't considered the problem of Clara's educational degree. :)

To me, the situation at the beginning suggests that the Doctor drops in on Clara's life from time to time, not unlike how he dropped in on Rory and Amy's lives after he faked his own death. And like in that instance, the Doctor's visits may be months apart, so years can pass.
 
Okay, something I really thought was clever about the episode.

I liked Bad Wolf/Rose. I liked how Bad Wolf brought Hurt's Doctor together with his future so that he could see what he would become if he went through with the using the Moment, and she brought the future Doctors back so that they could find a way. I liked that it was a weapon that was conscious and didn't want to be used and wanted to help Hurt's Doctor and cleanse him of the pain he bore.
 
Except that the Fifth Doctor's sonic screwdriver was destroyed in the episode "Four to Doomsday." So they're not continuous incarnations of the exact same one unless the Fifth Doctor had a backup somewhere.

So? It only had to be continuous from Hurt's Doctor's screwdriver to Smith's Doctor's screwdriver. The War Doctor initiated the calculation, and the Eleventh Doctor's screwdriver finished them. The Fifth Doctor's screwdriver doesn't factor into the matter.

Tennant's screwdriver was destroyed twice. Once in the hospital on the moon episode and once in "the eleventh hour". I'm going to assume the Tardis keeps a copy of the software.

Eleventh's screwdriver was "made" by the TARDIS, so whatever software was in an earlier version would be passed on that way.
 
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