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The Curator.... Who is he? (SPOILERS for "The Day of the Doctor")

Here's something I began to wonder today.

If Baker hadn't agreed to appear as the Curator, would Moffat have offered the role to Davison? Or would that scene never have happened?

I was thinking about that earlier in the day myself. While Tom Baker may have been the first choice for the role for a variety of reasons (oldest living Doctor, fan favourite) I imagine they have been prepared to go to one of the other classic Doctors.

Moffat could have fallen back on Davison as a back-up, but Colin and Sylvester would probably never have been Moffat's back-up plan as he doesn't think much of either of them as actors.

Ouch, really? I know Davison is Moffat's favourite, but I didn't realize he was so harsh towards C Baker and McCoy. I can easily picture any of them portraying the Curator perfectly.
 
Moffat could have fallen back on Davison as a back-up, but Colin and Sylvester would probably never have been Moffat's back-up plan as he doesn't think much of either of them as actors.

Ouch, really? I know Davison is Moffat's favourite, but I didn't realize he was so harsh towards C Baker and McCoy. I can easily picture any of them portraying the Curator perfectly.

A caveat, this interview is now almost twenty years old.

Steven Moffat said:
I'm talking retrospectively now, when I look back at Doctor Who now. I laugh at it, fondly. As a television professional, I think how did these guys get a paycheck every week? Dear god, it's bad! Nothing I've seen of the black and white stuff - with the exception of the pilot, the first episode - should have got out of the building. They should have been clubbing those guys to death! You've got an old guy in the lead who can't remember his lines; you've got Patrick Troughton, who was a good actor, but his companions - how did they get their Equity card? Explain that! They're unimaginably bad. Once you get to the colour stuff some of it's watchable, but it's laughable. Mostly now, looking back, I'm startled by it. Given that it's a children's show, and a teatime show, I think the Peter Davison stuff is well constructed, the characters are consistent

Peter Davison is a better actor than all the other ones, that's the simple reason why he works more than all the other ones. There is no sophisticated, complicated reason to explain why Peter Davison carried on working and all the other Doctors disappeared into a retirement home for lardies. He's better and I think he's extremely good as the Doctor. I recently watched a very good Doctor Who story, one I couldn't really fault. It was Snakedance. Sure it was cheap but it was beautifully acted, well written. There was a scene in it where Peter Davison has to explain what's going on, the Doctor always has to. Now some drunk old lardie like Tom Baker would come on to a sudden, shuddering halt in the middle of the set (and) stare at the camera because he can't bear the idea that someone else is in the show. But Peter Davison is such a good actor he managed to panic on screen for a good two minutes so he had you sitting on the edge of your seat, thinking god, this must be really, really bad. He shrills and shrieks and fails around marvellously.

Here's something I began to wonder today.

If Baker hadn't agreed to appear as the Curator, would Moffat have offered the role to Davison? Or would that scene never have happened?

I was thinking about that earlier in the day myself. While Tom Baker may have been the first choice for the role for a variety of reasons (oldest living Doctor, fan favourite) I imagine they have been prepared to go to one of the other classic Doctors.

It struck me this evening that the Curator could have been Eccleston's role. Imagine that how that would have played. The Doctor we had always known as the one who suffered the most for Gallifrey's destruction, to have him suddenly appear and hint that, no, it was saved after all! I'm probably thinking nonsense here, yet it makes so much sense to me intuitively.
 
Wow, what an awful thing for Moffat to say. My respect for him just declined precipitously.

I was wondering myself what they would have done if Tom Baker wasn't available. Peter Davison would have been just fine with me, since he's "my" Doctor. But any of the Doctors would have been fine with me. Maybe they would have put David Tennant in old age makeup. :D
 
If Tom Baker had proved unavailable, I think David Bradley would've been a good choice... He'd have supped for Hartnell, as per the Adventures in Space and Time.

If anything, it'd been a nice nod back to that's ending.
 
Wow, what an awful thing for Moffat to say. My respect for him just declined precipitously.

I was wondering myself what they would have done if Tom Baker wasn't available. Peter Davison would have been just fine with me, since he's "my" Doctor. But any of the Doctors would have been fine with me. Maybe they would have put David Tennant in old age makeup. :D

Well that quote was from 20 years ago, and from the sounds of it alcohol had been imbied, and whilst I probably wouldn't have put it quite so harshly, he does have a point with regard to acting ability.

If Tom Baker had proved unavailable, I think David Bradley would've been a good choice... He'd have supped for Hartnell, as per the Adventures in Space and Time.

If anything, it'd been a nice nod back to that's ending.

I guess it depends which came first, the role of the curator or the availability of Tom. Did Moffat always intend there to be a curator, or was the role created once it became apparent Tom was willing to appear. If it’s the former then Peter would have been the logical choice (and there would have been an interesting synchronicity, the two youngest Doctors meeting) but if it’s the latter then the scene might have played out very differently. Other than with Tom or Peter I can’t see that scene as working very well.
 
Wow, what an awful thing for Moffat to say. My respect for him just declined precipitously.

He's since expressed appropriate mortification and revised his opinion on McCoy, at least publicly. I've still only ever known him to keep quiet about his thoughts on the sixth Doctor...
 
I enjoyed both Colin and Sylvester's Doctor portrayals, and I think McCoy has shown good acting skills otherwise, in other roles. I Can't think of anything else I've seen Colin in, other than The Stranger, and he's pretty much playing his Doctor in the early episodes of it (I gave up on it, when they changed it to distance it from an Unofficial Doctor Who)

Regarding Hartnell, until I read posts here pointing it out, I always just assumed his stumbling over lines was an intentional schtick in his portrayal of the Doctor when he's playing Giddy (and his mispronunciation of Chesterton definitely felt like The Doctor doing it deliberately, ala Endora in Bewitched or Lucy's mother in I Love Lucy)
 
^^I assumed mispronouncing Chesterton was intentional since it actually got acknowledged in the show itself. But then An Adventure in Space and Time suggests Hartnell really couldn't remember the name.
 
IIRC, it wasn't intentional at first, but they decided to make it a "thing" to help explain it.
 
The Doctor stopped misprouncing Ian's name when he scolded the Doctor about it, but I do think it was in character.
 
Regarding Tom Baker being the Doctor revisiting an old face. We have Elizabeth I appointing the Doctor as the Curator (mentioned earlier in this thread). The Curator said "Who knows" but he may have really said "Who nose" as he points to his nose. The action of pointing to your nose means "this is a secret between us". We've seen Santa Claus performing this action also (just saw Santa in the Macy's parade); this gesture comes from the poem Twas The Night Before Christmas.
 
Yeah, that interview was done with plenty of alcohol way back in the 90s, before the show was even revived.
 
I think people are looking for ambiguity in the dialogue that simply isn't there.

Exactly. The Doctor's (possibly) final regeneration was the same physical form as the Fourth and he retired to the Black Archives to finally take up the curators job he'd been offered so long ago.

It isn't and needn't be more complicated than that.
 
I think he was a future Doctor who chose to regenerate into a body that was identical to that of his fourth incarnation. Maybe in the future, the Doctor finds a way to control the regeneration process.
 
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