Neither did Steven Moffat.
The Crack (SPOILERS)
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Neither did Steven Moffat.
Yeah, I have no idea why the Doctor would fear the complete and utter unmaking of the entire multiverse. It's not like the total loss of everything that every was, and ever could be is such a big deal, now is it?
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I get what you're saying, and I agree to some extant, but I'd say that the complete destruction of the universe would end up to be a very personal experience for every one of us.
The destruction of the Universe may be something he can deal with.
Himself being erased from ever existing to STOP the destruction is kind of a big deal.
Speaking of the Cracks, my mom actually brought up an interesting question after watching the Christmas episode.
Who is on the other side of the Trenzalore Crack?
The Time Lords, obviously...but which Time Lords? Clara says, "If you love him, help him." Who loves him? When we last left Gallifrey, Rassilon and The Master were in a fight to the death, the Doctor's Mom (according to RTD, anyway) was standing in shame, and the War Council was trying to fight off an army of Daleks. Which Time Lords actually made the call to send regeneration energy through the Crack?
I like to think this is a great opening for the next Master story.
Who is on the other side of the Trenzalore Crack?
The Time Lords, obviously...but which Time Lords? Clara says, "If you love him, help him." Who loves him? When we last left Gallifrey, Rassilon and The Master were in a fight to the death, the Doctor's Mom (according to RTD, anyway) was standing in shame, and the War Council was trying to fight off an army of Daleks. Which Time Lords actually made the call to send regeneration energy through the Crack?
I like to think this is a great opening for the next Master story.
And her Timelady Clara self...
I'd say all of them, the good, the bad, and the ugly. I'm getting the impression that they aren't frozen in time anymore so much as frozen out of our universe. In other words, they're still able to resolve their differences in isolation so to make sure the bad don't come out with the good.
All of them? Every single Time Lord is just sitting on the other side of the Crack waiting for the Doctor's response?
Gallifrey is obviously not frozen on the other side, otherwise they wouldn't be able to do what they did in the first place. My question is...which specific Time Lord answered Clara's plea for help? Somebody had to have their hand on the button. Somebody made the decision to give the Doctor regeneration energy.
So energy can pass through the cracks but not physical matter?
So... why not just T-mat yourself through? The Time Lords certainly have the technology.
So... why not just T-mat yourself through? The Time Lords certainly have the technology.
Because an army was waiting for them right outside. Was there any ambiguity about that?
There may have been no ambiguity, but that doesn't mean it makes sense.
Why would you have to appear there? There were cracks throughout space and time. And maybe send one person, not your whole planet.
Okay, I'm starting to understand why the Cracks are there. I'm not clear, however, on how they work.
Go back to "The Stolen Earth"/"Journey's End." Davros and the Daleks are mucking about with reality, and the Doctor stops that. But perhaps they weakened the fabric of reality, and things could start "bleeding" through. (That's how I read Lance Parkin's The Eyeless; the tenth Doctor deals with an artifact from the EDA War, a time war that didn't even happen.)
Then, Rassilon further weakens reality by trying to pull Gallifrey out of its pocket universe in "The End of Time."
And what does the Doctor find next in "The Eleventh Hour"? A crack in the fabric of reality. Davros and Rassilon "stretched" reality enough that it finally started to break and opened a doorway to another universe.
But here's what doesn't make sense.
Why would those cracks wipe someone entirely (and retroactively) from existence? They're basically a portal into another universe, so why do they behave as they do?
And the irony of the ending of "The Big Bang" now is that the Doctor ended up where Gallifrey was (since he closed the cracks from the other side, and Gallifrey as we now know is on the other side), until Amy remembered him back. (And while that didn't entirely make sense then, it makes even less sense now.)
The cracks embaffle me. The more I think about them, the less sense they make.
Go back to "The Stolen Earth"/"Journey's End." Davros and the Daleks are mucking about with reality, and the Doctor stops that. But perhaps they weakened the fabric of reality, and things could start "bleeding" through. (That's how I read Lance Parkin's The Eyeless; the tenth Doctor deals with an artifact from the EDA War, a time war that didn't even happen.)
Then, Rassilon further weakens reality by trying to pull Gallifrey out of its pocket universe in "The End of Time."
And what does the Doctor find next in "The Eleventh Hour"? A crack in the fabric of reality. Davros and Rassilon "stretched" reality enough that it finally started to break and opened a doorway to another universe.
But here's what doesn't make sense.
Why would those cracks wipe someone entirely (and retroactively) from existence? They're basically a portal into another universe, so why do they behave as they do?
And the irony of the ending of "The Big Bang" now is that the Doctor ended up where Gallifrey was (since he closed the cracks from the other side, and Gallifrey as we now know is on the other side), until Amy remembered him back. (And while that didn't entirely make sense then, it makes even less sense now.)
The cracks embaffle me. The more I think about them, the less sense they make.
Allyn Gibson, Rassilon doesn't try to pull them out of the pocket universe, from what I understand, because they weren't in the pocket universe yet (from his perspective). Rather, he was trying to pull them out of the Time Lock so he could continue to fight the war regardless of what The Moment did.
I would say yes to this.
My guess is whomever is in charge answered (whether that's some kind of council, a President, or assembly). If it was just a single person, that would kind of undermine the whole thing because then it isn't the collective actions of the Time Lords who decide to forego their ability to return home in order to help the Doctor.
I would say yes to this.
My guess is whomever is in charge answered (whether that's some kind of council, a President, or assembly). If it was just a single person, that would kind of undermine the whole thing because then it isn't the collective actions of the Time Lords who decide to forego their ability to return home in order to help the Doctor.
In Series 5, not all of the cracks go to same place or do the same things. Some erase you from existence ("Flesh and Stone", "Cold Blood"), but some just cross between places, like the one Prisoner Zero escaped through, or the one the fish people traveled through. Presumably some go nowhere, some connect places in our universe, and some link into the pocket universe where Gallifrey is trapped (or the Time Lords force them to).
The cracks happened because of the TARDIS blowing up. The Doctor even mentions something about it being a Destiny Paradox, or something like that. A group splintered off from the Church and was led by Madame Kovarian in attempts to kill the Doctor before he can answer the first question on Trenzalore. One of their attempts was blowing up the TARDIS. This actually enabled the events of Trenzalore to take place by creating the cracks. One of those cracks led to the pocket universe that Gallifrey was hidden in. I know Gallifrey was supposed to be "frozen", but this crack may have allowed time to flow in the universe Gallifrey was in.
