Never cared much for this episode. The backstory is ludicrous, having a criminal choose a life as a high profile travelling actor is inane, and what the hell is "Double Red Alert"????? I am glad that Kirk was never involved in this mess in the Abramsverse nuTrek....
The Conscience Of The King
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Not a bad episode, but probably one of the more confusing in terms of back story/continuity. Kirk was 13 when he saw Kodos; how old do you think Kevin Riley is in this episode? Actor Bruce Hyde was 25; if we take this as Riley's age (which seems right) then he was 5 years old when he saw Kodos. Does Lenore really think he's a threat? Also, Kirk = 33 years old, Lenore = 19 years old. Creepy.
I don't know if we should be expecting Lenore "This Ship Will Become A Floating Tomb, Drifting Through Space With The Soul Of The Great Karidian Giving Performances At Every Star He Touches" Karidian to be thinking like a logical murderer.
Good point. That last scene, with the close-up of the reflected points of light in her eyes? Brrrr.
I don't think we should limit ourselves to thinking that Lenore was nuts. Anton probably was, too. That is, his choice of a very public cover identity smacks of a burning desire to get caught - a desire his daughter didn't understand and thus worked against.
Timo Saloniemi
Timo Saloniemi
Hey, it's 2266 and they're both adults.
You all convinced me to watch this one. I was not disappointed.
Gracias.
Gracias.
I know, but really!
On the other hand, Kirk was 18 when he was in a relationship with Ruth ("Shore Leave") who looked to be around 30.
My father was 28 when he married my mother, who was 19. And that was in 1949. Has society gotten more puritan over the years?
Come to think of it, my great aunt married a guy ten years younger than herself. Can't recall what year they got married, but she was born in 1898. They had a long and happy marriage.
There comes a point when age differences don't matter a whit.
Come to think of it, my great aunt married a guy ten years younger than herself. Can't recall what year they got married, but she was born in 1898. They had a long and happy marriage.
There comes a point when age differences don't matter a whit.
Yes, I'm a Ronald D. Moore fan, and he's cited it as a favorite.
This is one of the best-written episodes of Classic Trek, but I wouldn't call it one of the best episodes. The actress playing Lenore was too "squeaky." However, I didn't have a problem with Lenore the character as such: it was brilliant that she was the one bumping off the witnesses rather than her dad, and even more brilliant that he mistakenly thought that she was the one aspect of his life that was untouched by his evil. 
I didn't strongly dislike the backstory/ premise of the episode, although I acknowledge that the nits picked here and elsewhere are valid. The computer technology (the search functions and so forth) shown on Star Trek were wild extrapolations back when the show was written and broadcast. On that basis, I'm lenient about that aspect.
Also, it was not a bad idea in principle for Kodos/ Karidian to hide in plain sight by becoming an actor, 'cause anyone pursuing him would be more likely to open the yellow-pages to Populations--Annihilators Of rather than Actors--Shakespearian; he simply had the misfortune to perform for at least one person who recognized him.
Had he the good sense to perform as either the front end or hind end of a pantomime horse (or as a Gorn or something), he could've avoided this problem while still being an actor. (Of sorts.) But you get the impression that prestige and status mattered to him, and so he went with Shakespeare.
From my awesome Star Trek Mashups article:
http://science-officer.livejournal.com/6990.html
"Spectre Of The Day Of The Conscience Of The Dove Of Mercy"
Lenore, murderous daughter of murderous Shakespearian actor Anton Karidian, violates Melkotian space and, as punishment for her transgression, is stricken with multiple-personality disorder. Believing herself to be the entire Clanton gang (the personalities of each individual resurface at odd intervals), she steals a revolver and plots to kill all of the Klingons in the galaxy. Her rage is enhanced by a rotating glowing entity that feeds on negativity and goes "woo-woo." Guess who finally stops the bloodshed? The Organians, who are actually Princess Leia's adoptive family. Confusingly, Carrie Fisher guest-stars as Hicks from Aliens.
I didn't strongly dislike the backstory/ premise of the episode, although I acknowledge that the nits picked here and elsewhere are valid. The computer technology (the search functions and so forth) shown on Star Trek were wild extrapolations back when the show was written and broadcast. On that basis, I'm lenient about that aspect.
Also, it was not a bad idea in principle for Kodos/ Karidian to hide in plain sight by becoming an actor, 'cause anyone pursuing him would be more likely to open the yellow-pages to Populations--Annihilators Of rather than Actors--Shakespearian; he simply had the misfortune to perform for at least one person who recognized him.
Had he the good sense to perform as either the front end or hind end of a pantomime horse (or as a Gorn or something), he could've avoided this problem while still being an actor. (Of sorts.) But you get the impression that prestige and status mattered to him, and so he went with Shakespeare.
From my awesome Star Trek Mashups article:
http://science-officer.livejournal.com/6990.html
"Spectre Of The Day Of The Conscience Of The Dove Of Mercy"
Lenore, murderous daughter of murderous Shakespearian actor Anton Karidian, violates Melkotian space and, as punishment for her transgression, is stricken with multiple-personality disorder. Believing herself to be the entire Clanton gang (the personalities of each individual resurface at odd intervals), she steals a revolver and plots to kill all of the Klingons in the galaxy. Her rage is enhanced by a rotating glowing entity that feeds on negativity and goes "woo-woo." Guess who finally stops the bloodshed? The Organians, who are actually Princess Leia's adoptive family. Confusingly, Carrie Fisher guest-stars as Hicks from Aliens.
