Spoilers The Clone Wars - Season 7 Discussion [SPOILERS]
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I did wonder if they were going to re-edit the final four episodes into another movie to book-end the series, but I didn't expect the actual episode to get the movie intro treatment!
Cute how they went and built a brand new much better looking Grevious...for him to appear in exactly one shot and probably never again because he'll be dead inside a week...Of course they also built a Depa and Caleb, so clearly they're intent of going all out for this!
On that note; I wouldn't be shocked if we get some kind of coda bridging TCW to Rebels. Mostly just shots of the various characters from TCW going to ground; Ahsoka and Rex wherever they end up, Obi on Tatooine, maybe even a recreation of the deleted 'Yoda lands of Dagobah' scene. But also perhaps a shot of the next generation of heroes; Cham and young Hera on Ryloth, Caleb on Kaller, Saw on Onderon. And probably the last shot will be of Vader...
Also for those that didn't pick up on it, her last name has to be a reference to Jodo Kast.
Cute how they went and built a brand new much better looking Grevious...for him to appear in exactly one shot and probably never again because he'll be dead inside a week...Of course they also built a Depa and Caleb, so clearly they're intent of going all out for this!
On that note; I wouldn't be shocked if we get some kind of coda bridging TCW to Rebels. Mostly just shots of the various characters from TCW going to ground; Ahsoka and Rex wherever they end up, Obi on Tatooine, maybe even a recreation of the deleted 'Yoda lands of Dagobah' scene. But also perhaps a shot of the next generation of heroes; Cham and young Hera on Ryloth, Caleb on Kaller, Saw on Onderon. And probably the last shot will be of Vader...
...oh wait, you were being serious!
Sidenote: Kast and Saxon showed up in the 'Son of Dathomir' comics, so presumably that was intended to be her introduction instead of what we see of her here.Vanessa Marshall in this week's episode
Also for those that didn't pick up on it, her last name has to be a reference to Jodo Kast.
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There was a brief shot of a Mandalorian with purple hair .
Immediately made me think of Sabine.
But it cannot be her, as she was surely too young if even born during this.
Immediately made me think of Sabine.
But it cannot be her, as she was surely too young if even born during this.
That "squash fight" was legitimately the best lightsaber battle in the history of Star Wars.
LoL!
From the old school LFL logo to Ahsoka’s emotional reunion with everyone to the landing sequence to the cliffhanger. I love it! This. Was. Awesome.
As was the Maul/Kenobi fight from “Twin Suns.” Sometimes it isn’t about KEWL moves and leaps and jumps. Sometimes it’s about character. And both characters have amazing moments in that brief battle.
But, as others have said: to each his own.
ETA: I just got notice my company is to work from home until the end of May. I may have to rewatch this series as I work when it all wraps up in a few weeks.
As was the Maul/Kenobi fight from “Twin Suns.” Sometimes it isn’t about KEWL moves and leaps and jumps. Sometimes it’s about character. And both characters have amazing moments in that brief battle.
But, as others have said: to each his own.
ETA: I just got notice my company is to work from home until the end of May. I may have to rewatch this series as I work when it all wraps up in a few weeks.
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RE: Twin Suns. If one wants want to argue from the point of view of "realistic swordfighting doctrine: all that crazy back-and-forth is the kind of thing you only ever see from amateurs, stage fighters and two opponents that are VERY evenly match and VERY determined to wear the other one down through sheer exhaustion.
A fight between an actual swordmaster and anyone that isn't up too their level will generally last about two or three moves. Maybe as many as six if they're VERY lucky.
For the indolent, inattentive and uncultured among you that thought the 'Twin Suns' could have done with more somersaults, back-flips and Alec Guinness doing the splits in mid-air, I refer you to the scene that inspired it.
Now if you just want to dump on Akira Kurosawa...sure, you go die on that hill you adorable little so-and-so....
A fight between an actual swordmaster and anyone that isn't up too their level will generally last about two or three moves. Maybe as many as six if they're VERY lucky.
For the indolent, inattentive and uncultured among you that thought the 'Twin Suns' could have done with more somersaults, back-flips and Alec Guinness doing the splits in mid-air, I refer you to the scene that inspired it.
Now if you just want to dump on Akira Kurosawa...sure, you go die on that hill you adorable little so-and-so....
1) No, that wasn't her, that was Rook Kast. 2) Actually, yes she would have been born and about a year or two old by now. Incidentally, Ezra will be born about a week from this episode.
Legitimately the truth.
Please do. I'll pop popcorn and talk about how my uncle taught me and my friends to choreography a lightsaber battle by watching Kurosawa, and use of kendo.Now if you just want to dump on Akira Kurosawa...sure, you go die on that hill you adorable little so-and-so....
He really wasn't.
I respect people having their own opinions and what entertains them but this is one were I genuinely feel like the prequels completely ruined duels for the rest of Star Wars. Now it has to be this high-energy choreography with ridiculous spins and twirls that fundamentally make no sense, even in a world with space-wizards and magic.
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Just rewatched it and really noticing how much Lucas style "rhyming" is going on. Mostly in the mirroring of shots; like the last time Anakin looks back at Ahsoka is framed EXACTLY the same as the shot where Vader turns around and sees her again for the first time.
Another that jumped out is the staging of her coming down the ramp off the transport just as she did in her very first scene.
I think there's room for both. To me what's most important is that the fight tells a story; that takes priority over any strict sense of realism (even by space fairy tale standards.) For the most part, that's held true in the movies and one the shows, at least when it matters.
The long drawn out titanic clash between Anakin and Obi Wan needed to be long and drawn out, because it's a very mythic kind of story.
The final fight between Maul and Kenobi needed to be over in seconds because that's how much Kenobi has grown and that's how little Maul has grown. He's basically the same myopic ball of hate and vengeance that he was when Obi Wan took his legs. While Kenobi, despite appearances is a Jedi Master at the height of his power, focus and centeredness.
Another that jumped out is the staging of her coming down the ramp off the transport just as she did in her very first scene.
I think there's room for both. To me what's most important is that the fight tells a story; that takes priority over any strict sense of realism (even by space fairy tale standards.) For the most part, that's held true in the movies and one the shows, at least when it matters.
The long drawn out titanic clash between Anakin and Obi Wan needed to be long and drawn out, because it's a very mythic kind of story.
The final fight between Maul and Kenobi needed to be over in seconds because that's how much Kenobi has grown and that's how little Maul has grown. He's basically the same myopic ball of hate and vengeance that he was when Obi Wan took his legs. While Kenobi, despite appearances is a Jedi Master at the height of his power, focus and centeredness.
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I am mixed on this duel. I think that it is too drawn out and isn't as mythic as it likes to think that it is. I get what they are going for but there are moments were I'm like "Come on already!" And, to be fair, I felt that way with Dooku vs. Yoda in AOTC.
I completely agree that there needs to be a balance, but I think that Kenobi vs. Maul in "Twin Suns" perfectly encapsulates economy of storytelling in a way that the ESB and ROTJ did well, but I find lacking in some of the PT and ST duels.
Mileage will vary.
The storytelling aspect works on both the micro and the macro level. That larger story that the PT duels are telling is that these are how the Jedi fought in their prime. While in the OT they're old relics from another time; an old man, a half trained boy and a Frankenstein's monster of a crippled cyborg.
For the Anakin/Kenobi fight specifically it's important to remember that while Anakin is very much out to kill Obi Wan, the reverse is not true. Kenobi desperately want's to save him, to get through to him somehow. He even warns him not to attack when he has the high ground and even after Anakin ignores that and lets his arrogance get the better of him, he still can't bring himself to strike the final blow.
Had Obi Wan been intent on killing him from the start, the fight would have been a lot shorter and the galaxy would be down one Sith Lord...and consequently Palpatine may not have been overthrown (literally) 20 odd years down the line.
As for the OT fights; none of them are really out-and-out duels until Luke looses his rag and almost gives in to the dark side. The ANH fight was Kenobi stalling and keeping Vader's attention away from the twins. The ESB fight starts out with Vader essentially toying with a novice while trying to capture him alive; then moves to him actively trying to recruit him once he see's Luke's true potential. While the first half of the RotJ fight is Vader on a VERY tight leash, in an almost hopeless state; resigned to the fact that he'll either be killed and replaced or be forced to kill his son...and he has no intention of being the dead one.
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There are moments on the two levels that duel works, but they are few and far between for me. In contrast, the Palpatine/Yoda duel makes more sense in the macro level because of what both sides represent and the stakes that are set.
Overall, the PT duels are very mixed for me. I think there are some excellent ones and some less successful ones that become more of a distraction. As much as I want to be invested in them they pull me out of the films as I am watching because it feels like it is missing something on the micro level.
As always, mileage will vary.
I haven't seen the episode yet, I'm in this thread because I generally already know how the story is going to turn out, but I read an article that points out a young Caleb Dume with his master in this episode.
https://edgeofthegalaxy.com/clone-w...vE3U5Demf-i3d7W0kBHASa4IbKwF2hKFy4HXueymFMZ5w
https://edgeofthegalaxy.com/clone-w...vE3U5Demf-i3d7W0kBHASa4IbKwF2hKFy4HXueymFMZ5w
That scene was also in the pre-season release trailers. So far it’s just a cameo, and I expect it will probably stay that way.
Yeah that’s Rook Kast. Sabine’s design was inspired by her according to Pablo Hidalgo.
Yeah that’s Rook Kast. Sabine’s design was inspired by her according to Pablo Hidalgo.
Well, I think that was the best piece of Star Wars produced the in Disney era. And that was only part 1!
Lol, I think they showed his entire appearance in the trailer, he came and went so quickly in this episode.
This episode was absolutely outstanding. Both emotional and exciting.
Easily one of my favorite pieces of Star Wars in a long, long time. From the very opening logo shot to the non-music during the end credits, everything about this just made it feel so majestic.
And yeah, they clearly spent their budget on a lot of the huge fight scenes in this episode. Absolutely gorgeous animation throughout, I would pay money to watch this again in a movie theater. (If movie theaters were open right now.)
Well done and animated. Highly enjoyable if a bit predictable. The reunion between Ahsoka and the clones was awesome.
You definitely see how everything leads in to ROTS and I look forward to the ending to see how it all comes together. Maul's line at the end was the more chilling for me.
You definitely see how everything leads in to ROTS and I look forward to the ending to see how it all comes together. Maul's line at the end was the more chilling for me.
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