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The Classic/Retro Pop Culture Thread

"Quantity: Unknown"
Do they just ask ChatGPT to come up with random sci-fi-sounding titles or what? :rommie:

What IMDb identifies as V-tail 1954 Beechcraft E35 Bonanza s/n D-3882, registration N3218C
It appears to still exist, owned by an individual in Santa Ana, although different sources say the registration expired in 2017 or 2018. It's not listed in the Movie Plane Database.

the second alien imposter (William Talman, having given up law after 225 straight defeats)
Vincent needs to hire Perry as his lawyer. That would make short work of Them. "Paul, I want you to get me all the information you can about Zeta Reticuli."

security chief Harry Swain (James Whitmore)
Legendary character actor.

Barney Phillips, who also has experience as a diner-running alien
The Venusian! Got it right this time. I think.

metallurgist Diane Oberly (Susan Strasberg)
Frequent flyer in genre shows and movies.

Farley has done a check on David and exposes him as a "full-time, dedicated crackpot," which causes Richards to turn Vincent away.
Probably should have checked him out before this.

Giving off strong signals of romantic tension, Diane comes out to see David in the hall as he's leaving
Girls just can't resist a full-time, dedicated crackpot.

Swain tells David of how his wife and daughter were killed on a camping tramp after the latter claimed to see aliens and a spacecraft.
"Oh, yeah, Swain? Then how did you get away? And why aren't you a full-time, dedicated crackpot now? How dare you hold down a real job?"

David finds Diane there
Good Grief. I'm going to become a full-time, dedicated crackpot.

Weighing who stimulates him more, David decides to go see Swain
According to Woody Allen, being bisexual doubles your chances for a date, although I question his math.

David goes to the lab to find Diane making lots of light and noise while testing the cylinder with a "laser."
Kinda makes sense. She's probably vaporizing a sample to get a spectral analysis. It seems like she already did that, but if it's an unknown alloy then the results were probably wonky.

a surprised Diane is trying to stop David from taking the cylinder while she's still in the process of collecting extraordinary test results
"Dude, watch your fingers! Do you even know what a laser is?"

they hear a shot in the hall and find Swain standing over Richards, telling of a struggle.
"I take it all back. You are a full-time, dedicated crackpot."

David tells Diane to call a doctor, but Swain pushes her away from the phone in the lab and grabs the cylinder
"Ow! My fingers!"

David tries to check on Diane before being rushed out with the cylinder while Swain covers for him, shooting one security guard and getting into a running gunfight with two more that spills into the lab, setting the place on fire.
Well, that was more excitement than we usually get.

Using the address that Swain conspicuously gave him just before the lab raid, David proceeds to Orleans to meet with Col. Frank Griffith: View attachment 47790
Objection!
"Your questions are incompetent and irrelevant!"

then Swain comes in behind David...figuratively unmasking as one of them.
Gasp! After they bonded! Fate is cruel!

they decided to use David to go after the cylinder without exposing themselves, informing him that it contains invasion plans from the home world
So many questions. :rommie: Why is the homeworld sending invasion plans in a physical format? If it got lost, why not just send another copy? And does this mean that a full-scale saucer invasion is imminent? Or has the full-scale saucer invasion been cancelled because their one physical copy of the invasion plans has been lost? Or by "invasion plans" do they mean "here's a list of random activities our agents are engaged in that won't amount to much?"

But Griffith finds that David's brought him an empty strongbox
"You've outsmarted us again, Earthling!"

David pulls out a gun, shooting Griffith into disintegration
"Overruled!"

but only tossing Swain over a desk.
He obviously still has feelings for him.

Swain takes a fall off the fall, swimming to an iron fence that he reaches through to grasp the cylinder before disintegrating, thus taking the object with him.
That answers any remaining questions about clothes and bullets.

The rates being cheaper during the Epilog
:rommie:

Richards is recovering
A surprising bit of good news.

and thanking her for not telling the police that he was involved in the lab theft and its multiple shootings.
"Oh, I would have done the same for any full-time, dedicated crackpot who left me sitting alone and frustrated in his hotel room."

There's a last moment of romantic tension as she asks about seeing him again and he ends the call with a noncommittal reply.
"It's complicated."

Maybe you looked her up when we were discussing how her twice-appearing character might have made a good Rhoda replacement.
Yeah, that could be. I remember pondering that.

I have one of those, though I couldn't tell you how it goes.
They're not great, just pleasant and catchy.

Indeed, two. Three was the good one that was supposed to lead into a series that everybody actually wanted to watch and was therefore never made. :rommie:

Timeline-wise, though, The Invaders falls before The Brady Bunch.
Oh, right. The songs are fifty years, the shows are fifty-eight years. I don't know how Doug and Tony keep track of this stuff. :rommie:
 
Do they just ask ChatGPT to come up with random sci-fi-sounding titles or what? :rommie:
A little harsh.

Vincent needs to hire Perry as his lawyer. That would make short work of Them. "Paul, I want you to get me all the information you can about Zeta Reticuli."
I caught some of one in the background the other night where Perry was in the hospital and Paul was doing all the legwork. Must've been Burr's week off.

The Venusian! Got it right this time. I think.
Yep.

Probably should have checked him out before this.
Wasn't as easy back then.

"Oh, yeah, Swain? Then how did you get away? And why aren't you a full-time, dedicated crackpot now? How dare you hold down a real job?"
"There's a pension in it!"

Good Grief. I'm going to become a full-time, dedicated crackpot.
:techman:

Kinda makes sense. She's probably vaporizing a sample to get a spectral analysis. It seems like she already did that, but if it's an unknown alloy then the results were probably wonky.
I don't think it was vaporizing. It was creating an animated light show.

So many questions. :rommie: Why is the homeworld sending invasion plans in a physical format?
Eh, it was the '60s. The Enterprise computer made punch card sounds.

If it got lost, why not just send another copy?
"Deliver/intercept the secret plans" is good enough for spy fi.

Or by "invasion plans" do they mean "here's a list of random activities our agents are engaged in that won't amount to much?"
Probably that.

That answers any remaining questions about clothes and bullets.
IMDb asserted that objects disintegrating with the invaders had been firmly established, but I hadn't caught that. And I gotta stop reading IMDb trivia & goofs ahead of the episode, as it always spoils which characters are them.

"Oh, I would have done the same for any full-time, dedicated crackpot who left me sitting alone and frustrated in his hotel room."
:D

"It's complicated."
It was actually an "I hope so"...punctuated by a silent NEXT!

Yeah, that could be. I remember pondering that.
And instead she got snatched for the next spinoff.

Indeed, two. Three was the good one that was supposed to lead into a series that everybody actually wanted to watch and was therefore never made. :rommie:
I enjoyed the reunion business but found S3 to be pretty damn weak and derivative story-wise.

Oh, right. The songs are fifty years, the shows are fifty-eight years.
Only for hiatus season, when I back-watch whatever.
 
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RIP, Ozzy Osbourne. :( Philosophical question: Will the Prince of Darkness go to Rock'n'Roll Heaven or Rock'n'Roll Hell? Or is it just the same place?

A little harsh.
Sarcasm is fun. :rommie:

I caught some of one in the background the other night where Perry was in the hospital and Paul was doing all the legwork. Must've been Burr's week off.
That might have been when he took a few episodes off for some reason-- surgery, I think. They actually brought in some substitute sleuths. Bette Davis was one. Maybe Roy Thinnes was another, actually. I'd have to look them up, but there were three or four.

Wasn't as easy back then.
Unless you call Paul Drake, the Sleuth with Couth.

"There's a pension in it!"
True, even full-time, dedicated crackpots need to retire at some point.

I don't think it was vaporizing. It was creating an animated light show.
Best they could afford. :rommie:

Eh, it was the '60s. The Enterprise computer made punch card sounds.
And they used 3 1/2-inch floppies. :rommie:

"Deliver/intercept the secret plans" is good enough for spy fi.
Plenty good enough, but nitpicking is fun.

IMDb asserted that objects disintegrating with the invaders had been firmly established, but I hadn't caught that. And I gotta stop reading IMDb trivia & goofs ahead of the episode, as it always spoils which characters are them.
Suspect everyone!

And instead she got snatched for the next spinoff.
Weird and sad to think she may have survived otherwise.

I enjoyed the reunion business but found S3 to be pretty damn weak and derivative story-wise.
The reunion was pretty much all I cared about, but it was parsecs ahead of the first two seasons either way. And I was really looking forward to Captain Seven and Geordi's daughter in a series.

Only for hiatus season, when I back-watch whatever.
Well, yeah, at that moment. :rommie:
 
RIP, Ozzy Osbourne.
And breaking today, Kenneth Washington (89), who was the last surviving main cast member of Hogan's Heroes.
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Maybe Roy Thinnes was another, actually.
That'd be interesting if true, as I wasn't familiar with him for anything but The Invaders, but I'm not finding a Perry Mason on his list. Looks like he did the rounds on other QM shows before landing his starring role, including two episodes of 12OCH; played Roger Collins in the 1991 Dark Shadows revival attempt; and made a few appearances as a recurring character on The X-Files, quite appropriately.

Best they could afford. :rommie:
Tell me if these laser-testing goggles have anything resembling scientific authenticity:

Weird and sad to think she may have survived otherwise.
Was her death at all related to her getting the role on Phyllis? Or is that just a probability thing?

The reunion was pretty much all I cared about, but it was parsecs ahead of the first two seasons either way.
I much preferred the show that Season 1 was trying to be to the fanwank-fest of S3. Overall, the series turned out to be a big disappointment for its lack of conceptual focus.

And I was really looking forward to Captain Seven and Geordi's daughter in a series.
"Have I mentioned my father, the Starfleet legend...?"
 
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And breaking today, Kenneth Washington (89), who was the last surviving main cast member of Hogan's Heroes.
RIP, Kenneth Washington. I hate to say it, but I don't remember this guy at all. Channel 38 used to play Hogan's Heroes relentlessly, but I don't know if they ever showed that season.

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Such a lovable nut. :rommie:

That'd be interesting if true, as I wasn't familiar with him for anything but The Invaders, but I'm not finding a Perry Mason on his list.
Nope, I misremembered. It was actually Michael Rennie, different Sci-Fi guy. The other substitutes when he had surgery were Bette Davis, Hugh O'Brian, and Walter Pidgeon. Then another time Mike Connors and Barry Sullivan were subs.

played Roger Collins in the 1991 Dark Shadows revival attempt
I forgot about that. I generally don't approve of remakes, but that was a high quality production. The best thing about it was the excellent casting.

Tell me if these laser-testing goggles have anything resembling scientific authenticity:
Well, it's all very cartoonish, especially those animated sparks in the other picture, but I think they were going for the vaporization and spectral analysis thing.

Was her death at all related to her getting the role on Phyllis? Or is that just a probability thing?
That's the thing, it's still an unsolved mystery. It could have been targeted or it could have been a random thrill kill.

I much preferred the show that Season 1 was trying to be to the fanwank-fest of S3.
Interesting. I didn't like that portrayal of Starfleet or the Federation at all, although I grudgingly accepted it as a timely metaphor for former good guys going off the rails. I did like the actress who played the advanced Soong androids, although I would have preferred if she used the Data makeup.

Overall, the series turned out to be a big disappointment for its lack of conceptual focus.
Yes, it was very ill thought out, and I think we have Patrick Stewart to thank for at least some of that.

"Have I mentioned my father, the Starfleet legend...?"
Living up to Geordi's rep probably would have been a big part of her character.
 
RIP, Kenneth Washington. I hate to say it, but I don't remember this guy at all. Channel 38 used to play Hogan's Heroes relentlessly, but I don't know if they ever showed that season.
But you read the reviews! :D

The Ex texted me that the Hulk died today. At first I thought she was talking about Lou...!

Also, Squiggy-disapproved Chuck Mangione, 84.
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Nope, I misremembered. It was actually Michael Rennie, different Sci-Fi guy.
I had to look it up to jog my memory, but that was the one. He was playing a law professor who entered the story with a disdain for trial lawyers.

Interesting. I didn't like that portrayal of Starfleet or the Federation at all, although I grudgingly accepted it as a timely metaphor for former good guys going off the rails.
I was up for a little deconstruction of TNG-era Trek, a show that wasn't Starfleet-centric, and taking Picard out of his comfort zone.

I did like the actress who played the advanced Soong androids, although I would have preferred if she used the Data makeup.
She did as a couple of other androids on Soong's planet.

Living up to Geordi's rep probably would have been a big part of her character.
She was completely one-note...reminding everyone of her dad the legend was all she did.
 
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But you read the reviews! :D
Yes, I do remember learning of his existence from the reviews, but I mean I don't remember ever seeing him on TV.

The Ex texted me that the Hulk died today. At first I thought she was talking about Lou...!
I saw that. Only 71. My Brother's not going to take that news very well.

Also, Squiggy-disapproved Chuck Mangione, 84.
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RIP, Chuck Mangione. Yeah, nothing personal, but I don't think he ever did anything I liked.

I had to look it up to jog my memory, but that was the one. He was playing a law professor who entered the story with a disdain for trial lawyers.
Right, I vaguely remember it. The plot had something to do with one of his students, I think.

I was up for a little deconstruction of TNG-era Trek, a show that wasn't Starfleet-centric, and taking Picard out of his comfort zone.
The last thing I want to see in Trek is the deconstruction of the positive future-- even DS9 took that too far for my tastes. The other stuff I can live with. I was actually kind of intrigued with the premise that they set up at the end of season one-- which they abandoned. :rommie: But I was happier with the premise that they set up at the beginning of season two-- which they abandoned. :rommie:

She did as a couple of other androids on Soong's planet.
Yeah, so tantalizing. I wish they had used a character like that in season three, if only to see Data's reaction.

She was completely one-note...reminding everyone of her dad the legend was all she did.
But she was cute. :rommie: And a series would give her the opportunity to develop.
 


Post-58th Anniversary Viewing



The Time Tunnel
"Devil's Island"
Originally aired November 11, 1966
MeTV said:
The travelers materialize in 1895 on Devil's Island, where they try to help French captain Alfred Dreyfus [not] escape.

Tony and Doug tumble onto the beach of a tropic island set just as a group of prisoners is being brought in on rowboats from a ship. The new prisoners try to make a break for it, and the travelers are caught by a guard who'd been pursuing two who happened to look and dress similar and jumped into the lagoon to swim away. When Commandant Rubidoux (Oscar Beregi) gives the political prisoners an orientation speech, the guys try to tell the head of the guards, Lescaux (Theo Marcuse), that they're Americans and a mistake has been made. (The unexplained universal translation is working against them here.)

The guys are issued striped uniforms with strappy sandals and taken to the barracks, where the prisoners chain their own ankles to their beds. They acquaint themselves with some of their fellow Inmates: Claude Dumas (Alain Patrick), an Army officer who questioned French colonial policy; Andre Perrault (Steven Geray), the only survivor of a failed escape attempt into the jungles of Venezuela; and Henri Boudaire (Marcel Hillaire), an Army officer who tried to uncover graft. Trying to narrow down the date, the monitoring TT crew focuses on the uniform numbers, which were supposed to have been sequential. As the guys are working the next day, Tony gets on Lescaux's bad side some more while staging a diversion for Doug, and ends up having to bury an older prisoner who's been coughing and drops dead (Bob Adler). Doug slips away to force his way in to the see the commandant and holds him at stolen gunpoint to try to talk to him. The commandant acts reasonable, entertaining Doug's story of being part of a stranded scientific expedition...until Doug surrenders his weapon, at which point the commandant calls the guards, assembles the prisoners, and has him put in the hotbox.

Tony watches as Captain Alfred Dreyfus (Ted Roter), recently convicted of having sold secrets to Germany, is brought to the island in full uniform and given his own hut pending his appeal. This gives the TT crew the date they need: March 15, 1895; and they try to get a fix on Doug to save him from the hotbox (Ann claiming that ground temperatures at the Equator reach 150 degrees, which IMDb contributors dispute). By night, Boudaire uses an iron bar he's been hiding to pry open his and Tony's shackles, and they head to talk to Dreyfus, who was formerly Boudaire's superior officer. Boudaire offers to help Dreyfus escape, which the captain doesn't seem interested in, though he encourages Boudaire to do so for the good of France; while letting Tony borrow some water to slip to Doug.

Lescaux watches knowingly as Tony and Boudaire slip away from their labor to camouflage a boat that the latter has found, planning to have Perrault create a sail. TT works out how to retrieve Tony and Doug despite their distance in the barracks (before we see Doug let out of the hotbox), planning to try an experimental splitting of power. The two of them discuss how they know that Dreyfus can't escape (because history), but don't want to discourage the others from planning an escape while motivated to free him. TT does their retrieve attempt while Boudaire is starting to pry the shackles off the others, and accidentally pick him up instead...the other prisoners watching him vanish before their eyes.

While Kirk's explaining that it's 1968 and shows Boudaire Tunnelvision, Lescaux pops into the barracks for a surprise inspection and finds Boudaire gone. While Boudaire doesn't want to return, and Kirk and Swain debate having to send him back to the prison, the commandant assembles the prisoners, threatening to shoot them systematically until they snitch on Boudaire; and the guys try to tell him that it's part of their scientific experiment. Boudaire watches as the commandant and Lescaux discuss their trap, in which they plan to use the escape attempt as an opportunity to shoot Dreyfus. Boudaire goes back willingly, armed with information about how Dreyfus won't escape; that escaped prisoners should head for British Trinidad; and with a message for Doug and Tony to be in a specific spot at a specific time.

When Lescaux comes for a prisoner to shoot, the inmates, led by Doug and Tony, make their move, overpowering him and a guard. While Doug and Perrault truss up the commandant and free Dreyfus, Tony and Dumas take supplies to the boat. Boudaire reappears just as Dumas is learning that they can't take Dreyfus. Instead of backing Tony up, Boudaire convinces himself that his experience with the Tunnel was a bad dream. But as the prisoners assemble, Dreyfus declares that he won't go, as he considers his presence on the island to be a matter of duty. The guys work out without Boudaire's help that they've been falling into a trap, noting that the commandant's made aspects of their escape easy, including a temporary lightening of the guards. The prisoners proceed with the escape with Dreyfus's encouragement; the guys assure Dreyfus that he'll be exonerated; and then the guys use their paper-fueled TV hero fighting skills to take out a pair of guards waiting in ambush at a spot overlooking the beach that Dreyfus determined.

On the beach, as the trio of speaking prisoners are on the boat encouraging Tony and Doug to come with them, the travelers' clothes reappear before the prisoners' eyes, and the duo vanishes.



The Invaders
"The Innocent"
Originally aired March 14, 1967
IMDb said:
The aliens take David Vincent up into their spaceship and then attempt to prove they have nothing but peaceful intentions by showing him what they've done to a desert valley. But all is not what it seems.

At Clement Air Force Base, Capt. Mitchell Ross (Dabney Coleman), head of Project Hawk, questions Sgt. Walter Ruddell (Robert Doyle) about another batch of sighting reports having gone missing. When Ross is alone in the file room, an alien posing as an MP (Erik Holland) tries to abduct him at gunpoint. Ross shoots him with a pistol sitting in his open briefcase, through the case's lid; then sees the red glow emanating from the file nook that the MP stumbles into. Ruddell returns and the two of them find nothing but burn marks and the MP's gun.

The QM Narrator said:
In a decaying lobster port in Maine, David Vincent searches for a man who has seen the invaders: a fisherman named Nat Greely, who has taken one of their weapons--a strange, metallic disk. For a day and a half, Vincent has combed the tiny waterfront town, but Nat Greely has disappeared.

Ruddell appears with a subpoena to take David to see Ross; while a couple of fisherthem take notice (Frank Marth and Harry Lauter). Ross questions Vincent about his claims regarding how the aliens disintegrate and David guesses that the captain has seen it for himself. Ross wants Vincent to testify at a hearing. David takes a moment to note that he's given up his life in his pursuit of the invaders, including his business and a girl who wasn't in the premiere. At a marina, the pair of aliens, now in suits, visit the Greely boat, introducing themselves to Edna Greely (Patricia Smith) as Calvin Adams and Ed Poole, lawyers looking for the heir of a recently deceased family member. She suspiciously turns them away, quickly verifying that their story is false. The next to visit is David, telling Mrs. Greely that her husband is in danger and producing Ross's card as a reference. Cut to David paying a call on paranoid, shotgun-brandishing Nat Greely (William Smithers) in his warehouse hideout. After Greely is persuaded to meet David with the disc, they pay another visit to the boat, now threatening young Nat Jr. (Johnny Jensen).

Informed by Edna, Nat reluctantly sets a trap for David to get chloro'ed and taken to see Magnus (Special Guest Star speaking of Michael Rennie), who shows Vincent a saucer parked in the back of his ranch home and takes him inside.
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Magnus claims that they want to change their approach and offers to take him on a trip. David is wedged into his seat as protection against acceleration and, after seeing the Earth becoming smaller in the viewport, loses consciousness as warned. When he awakes, he's shown Santa Margerita Valley, a place that he'd mentioned to Ross he'd been planning to develop. When taken outside, David finds that they have redeveloped it into Rossmoor Leisure World, Laguna Hills, California, complete with 1964 World's Fair-style globe.

David is taken to a project headquarters building that he professionally considers to be beautiful, and is intrigued to learn that they built a dam he was told was impossible, spearheaded by an old friend, who's there and now working with them, Billy Stearns (Paul Carr); they've even restored Billy's injured leg. Also there is Helen (Katherine Justice), the girl David left behind who was invented just for this episode. She takes him for a drive and gives him a sales pitch for how the aliens can improve the world. Smelling a cookbook, David questions the details of her story. She hurriedly drops him off while frantically calling out for Magnus. David's surroundings begin to fade, and we see that he's still braced into the chair, surrounded by Magnus, Sgt. Ruddell, and associates. Magnus declares that they'll have to try a different method.

Magnus now wants David to call Ross before his testimony to disavow his own invasion warnings. Mr. Greely is brought in to tell David that they've got his wife and boy as leverage, and begs David to make the call. Stone-faced David complies, telling Ross that he and Greely know nothing and it's all been for publicity. Greely apologizes as he's being shown out. When David won't have a drink willingly, he's held down, TV Fu'ed, and the bottle's poured into his mouth. Outside, Greely is also TV Fu'ed and covered with liquor. The two of them are taken to a car that they're put into with Nat behind the wheel and pushed onto the obligatory curvy downhill road. Highly disoriented, David takes the wheel and manages to steer well enough to avoid the hairpin turns, eventually crashing into a lot at the bottom. A revived Greely pulls David out before the vehicle meets its OTVF.

The two of them show up at the AFB wanting to testify after all, only to find Ross now hostile toward them for undermining his credibility. When David sees and recognizes Ruddell, he tries to warn Ross. Ross sends his visitors on their way, but proceeds to call in a thorough background check on Ruddell.

The QM Narrator said:
A trip to a nightmare world. A committee disbanded. Another defeat, another hope lost for David Vincent...maybe. Or maybe it's a hope begun.



RIP, Chuck Mangione. Yeah, nothing personal, but I don't think he ever did anything I liked.
By way of era-appropriate tribute, here are his two charting singles thus far in our 50th anniversary timeline...one of them very current.

"Hill Where the Lord Hides"
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(charted July 3, 1971; #76 US; #32 AC)

"Chase the Clouds Away"
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(charted July 19, 1975; #96 US)

Right, I vaguely remember it. The plot had something to do with one of his students, I think.
He was trying to advise her about a blackmail situation, only to learn from Paul that it was a very common scam.

The last thing I want to see in Trek is the deconstruction of the positive future-- even DS9 took that too far for my tastes.
Utopia is meaningless if it's free, easy, and never challenged.
 
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