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The Classic/Retro Pop Culture Thread

It's a living. :shrug:
See what ya did there.

Wow, lucky Tony and Doug didn't get transported onto it. It would be funny if they landed on the comet and everything was like a black-and-white silent movie. :rommie:
It doesn't look like landing on that fireball would be an option.

That's very interesting. So they're essentially changing history, or have the potential to change history, just by opening the tunnel. Like the Observer Effect.
This could be an unusual circumstance, but we'll see if they do anything else in this vein.

That looks suspiciously like the comet that destroyed the planet that the Jupiter II was on. :rommie:
It no doubt is, then. I read that among the show's other footage sources was other Irwin Allen shows.

They'd probably have to spend the rest of their lives traversing the timeways naked. There's probably a way for the Time Tunnel to send new clothes to them, but Ann would withhold the information. :rommie:
I don't mean losing their clothes; but if their clothes get ripped up a bit, will they automatically mend when they go back into the timestream? If so, that opens the door for injury resetting.

True. He seemed to be one of them regardless of the show he was in. :rommie:
:D

It just occurred to me that they probably have self-immolation devices implanted for the trip to Earth to prevent their bodies from being recovered by authorities-- which is a pretty grisly thought.
Maybe, but that's not the impression I got from Vikki's declaration. I'd imagine maybe it's something that happens with their cells / body chemistry when they sustain mortal injury in Earth's environment.

Hmm. That is odd.
I couldn't help noticing when these pairs have been on my weekly-updated playlist together.
 
See what ya did there.
:angel:

It doesn't look like landing on that fireball would be an option.
I had in mind Jules Verne's Off On A Comet-- I thought there was a silent movie version, but Google says no. I must be mixing it up with something else.

It no doubt is, then. I read that among the show's other footage sources was other Irwin Allen shows.
I remember recognizing a few LIS props in the episode where they met aliens in the future.

I don't mean losing their clothes; but if their clothes get ripped up a bit, will they automatically mend when they go back into the timestream? If so, that opens the door for injury resetting.
Well, we confirmed the hygiene thing, but that just implies that any molecules they acquire get left behind in their proper time frame. I don't think we've seen anything yet that implies a reset. If we see any injuries disappear, then the same logic should apply to their clothes. Or watches. :rommie:

Maybe, but that's not the impression I got from Vikki's declaration. I'd imagine maybe it's something that happens with their cells / body chemistry when they sustain mortal injury in Earth's environment.
Well, that's mighty convenient. :rommie:

I couldn't help noticing when these pairs have been on my weekly-updated playlist together.
I guess we'd have to know the development history to see if there was time for BC to be inspired by them. Three times is quite a coincidence, though. :rommie:
 


Post-58th Anniversary Viewing



The Time Tunnel
"The Day the Sky Fell In"
Originally aired September 30, 1966
Edited IMDb said:
December 6, 1941: Dr. Tony Newman confronts his own past at Pearl Harbor, wanting to know what happened to his father.

The travelers land inside Honolulu's Japanese Consulate while the staff is burning documents in preparation for the impending attack. The consul (Did I get that one right?), Tasaka (uncredited Bob Okazaki), lets them go to avoid an untimely incident, but has a henchman, Sumida (uncredited Fuji), follow them. The time and place bring back Tony's memories of living in Honolulu at the age of seven with his father, a naval lieutenant commander who was reported missing after the attack. Tony excitedly realizes that his father is still alive and that he has an opportunity to learn what happened to him and possibly warn him.

They proceed to the home of Tony's boyhood friend Billy Neal, where Tony was staying that night and Commander Newman is expected for dinner. Sumida follows them, finding a ready and apparently familiar accomplice in the housekeeper, Yuko (Caroline Kido), who helps him off a butler who isn't a spy. The travelers tell Mrs. Neal (Susan Flannery) that they have business with Commander Newman, and she mentions that her husband is on the Enterprise, which is expected at Pearl in the morning. Tony is awestruck when his father arrives (Linden Chiles), and tries to warn him that he's in danger if he goes to the base the next day...at first trying not to go into specifics, but is quickly frustrated into dropping great detail about the attack. Commander Newman thinks he's crazy, of course, so Tony appeals to his father's educational background in science, asserting the possibility of time travel. Their conversation is interrupted when little Tony (Sheldon Golomb) and Billy (uncredited Frankie Kabott) enter, not wanting to go to bed. Doug realizes that the kids will be in the house when it's destroyed by a firebomb during the attack, as Tony's told him. (Fact check: While there was civilian collateral damage, there was no firebombing of houses.) As dinner's being served, Yuko takes Tony and Doug out to where Sumida's waiting to take them at gunpoint. Back in '68, the TT crew--concerned about the scientists and little Tony being in danger--find their fix dramatically wandering over to the Japanese fleet underway.

The travelers are held captive at an import warehouse, where they try to convince an unbelieving Sumida that they're time travelers. Believing them to be well-informed spies, Tasaka subjects them to interrogation via truth serum. Doug's turn gets them information about the success of the attack, but that the war will end at Hiroshima. Tony impulsively name-drops the atomic bomb before he's put under. His interrogation confirms Doug's account, but Tasaka doesn't want to believe what they're telling him and insists that they've been brainwashed to deliver outlandish stories; but he takes interest when he learns that they told Commander Newman about the attack. At the naval base, Admiral Brandt (Robert Riordan) tells Newman about a Japanese fleet moving toward Indochina, which piques the commander's interest as it matches one of the details that Tony gave him; so he asks radio officer Lt. Anderson (Lew Gallo) to verify.

Another of Tasaka's operatives bursts into the Neal home looking for Cdr. Newman, but flees when Louise pulls a gun on him. She calls Newman, who tells her that it's an intelligence matter. The TT crew get fixes on the planes taking off from their carriers and little Tony sleeping before finally finding their scientists at the warehouse; but their fix is too unstable to risk pulling them out. They speculate about the importance of saving little Tony from the attack, as their Tony might cease to exist if the boy is killed. Ann even spouts some unsupported nonsense about how the same thing could happen the other way around, that their Tony dying in 1941 could cause little Tony to cease to exist...?

While Tasaka's getting orders from Tokyo to off the spies, Doug and Tony get loose from their bonds and fight their way free, Tony's stunt double helping him to take down Fuji. By this point it's morning, and Lt. Anderson, who's been working overnight, is looking forward to a "nice, quiet, peaceful Sunday morning". While the TTers continue to watch their sneak preview of the attack, Jerry gets all frantically whiny about how they have to find a way to stop it, and Gen. Kirk basically tells him, "Relax, kid, it's only history." The guys go back to the Neal home to learn from Billy that lil' T snuck out to look for his dad. Big T wracks his brain for details of what he did before the attack, and realizes that he overheard the guys talking about the attack and ran to warn his father. Big T catches up with lil' T and convinces him to see to his own safety while Big T goes to warn Tony's father.

The attack commences as Doug tries to see the Neals and guest to safety. Tony searches the base for his father and is whacked by some flying debris. Doug somehow pops up at the Japanese Consulate as Lt. Anderson is arriving with sailors to intercept the evacuating staff. While Cdr. Newman is trying to warn away the Enterprise, the radio building is hit by a bomb with a delayed action fuse. In '68, Jerry loses it again, trying to use the Tunnel to send the bomb somewhere else, and it materializes right there in the Tunnel at the complex. Jerry disarms it before it's sent back out to an unknown destination. Tony and Doug arrive at the base's radio room and help a revived Cdr. Newman to get out his message to the Big E. As his father's starting to figure it out for himself, Tony dramatically reveals his identity just in time for his father to pass away. While walking off through the ongoing attack, the guys see the radio building get hit and destroyed. Now willing to take their chances to save Doug and Tony from the bombing, TT gets a lock on them and sends them into next week.

Footage of the Pearl Harbor attack is taken from the 1956 film The Revolt of Mamie Stover.



The Invaders
"The Leeches"
Originally aired January 31, 1967
Frndly said:
The president of an electronics firm risks his life to help David prove that the earth has been invaded.

The episode opens with a group of invaders bringing their prisoner, oceanographer Dr. Noel Markham (Theo Marcuse), down to an underground chamber to extract more information from him. He makes a break for it and is chased outside, but manages to hide from his pursuers. Then he wakes up from his nightmare in a psychiatrist's (Noah Keen) office.

The QM Narrator said:
Two men with their eyes on the heavens, coming together now in a small southwestern city: David Vincent, who seeks the invader, and Warren Doneghan, president of JAE--Jet Age Electronics. Two men with their eyes on the heavens--one dedicating his life to an unknown frontier, the other to an undeclared war for survival.

At the Maricopa Airport, David is picked up by Doneghan (Arthur Hill), who's driven by his head of security, Tom Wiley (Mark Richman). Doneghan is another kindred soul in paranoia, who relates how Markham, now believed insane, is one of five heads of various fields who mysteriously disappeared, and he believes that he's next, indicating that he's being followed--though Wiley is highly skeptical of his claims. David's sage advice is for Doneghan to let himself be captured so he can be followed. For this purpose, Doneghan comes up with a transmitter that he'll wear disguised as his St. Christopher's medal; and goes over the route he'll be driving on Tom's day off. Warren tells his wife, Eve (Diana van der Vlis), that he'll be going out of town for reasons he won't divulge, and she believes that he's having an affair. Tom reassures her that he isn't, and questions her sincerity when she signals that she's now available. Tom and David wait along the road that they've isolated as the most likely point for an abduction, tracking Warren's movements via the transmitter. A semi-truck blocks the road and its cab crew gets out, knocks him out, and, aided by several more in the back, drive the car in. When Tom and David try to follow, sparks play about their car and they open the hood to see the engine vanishing in a red glow.

David informs Eve of the abduction, though not the reason, which earns Tom both a slap and another, less direct invitation, which he rebuffs. Tom and David fly out in a helicopter to try to pick up the signal while heading to Tucson to see Markham, who's in a padded cell with bandages on his temples. The shrink plays them a tape of his last session, in which he uses the titular phrase to describe his captors. They next take the chopper to the area where Markham was found, where they pick up the signal again. As Warren's being taken into the interrogation chamber under an abandone mining camp, his transmitter is detected and broken by the alien in charge (William Wintersole).

Warren is taken into a cell where they're holding the other abductees, including Bill Hastings from Caltech (Robert H. Harris), a prior acquaintance who now doesn't recognize him, but describes how the aliens' probe takes knowledge from their minds. Then the aliens burst in, restrain Doneghan, and start to stick a pointy object into his head. Meanwhile, Tom and David run out of fuel while continuing to search and land at Vasquez Rocks, where Tom shares how he's in love with Eve, and feels that Warren's neglected her in favor of his business; but could never act on his feelings because he and Warren have been friends since Korea. He announces that he's giving up on what he believes to be a hopeless search, because Eve needs him more. David questions his motives and the two split up in hoofing it to civilization, apparently unwilling to wait for the next TV crew to arrive. Back at the underground chamber, Warren's first probing session in the aliens' chair commences.

Out at the Rocks, David, who's packing heat in a shoulder holster, comes upon another escapee stumbling around, psychology professor Arthur Millington (Peter Brocco), who indicates where he came from. But while David's back is turned, the man pulls an alien ray gun on him...only to be shot multiple times by a returning Wiley, who witnesses as the professor disintegrates in a red glow. Wiley indicates how he saw Millington being driven out from a nearby mining camp, which they proceed to sneak into. After each takes out a guard--David using a flying kick followed by a TV Fu chop--they enter the mine and split up. David finds the cell and he and Warren overcome the guards to carry out Hastings and the real Millington. Meanwhile, Wiley follows the sound of the Martian machines from War of the Worlds to the interrogation chamber, where he manages to shoot two of the aliens into disintegration before running out of ammo, at which point he falls back on his own fighting mojo. The alien leader, only winged by one of the Wiley's bullets, pulls a lever that triggers a cave-in. David and company get out just in time, but when David tries to go back in after hearing Tom calling out, he's met with a face full of rock dust as the entrance collapses.

Warren visits David at the hospital to relate how he tried getting the government involved, but they wouldn't believe his explanation for the kidnappings; and indicates that Hastings and Millington are at least as far gone as Markham. When David asks about his wife, Warren declares his intention to spend more time with her. Warren's parting words are to encourage David not to give up on his quest.

The QM Narrator said:
Two men with their eyes on the heavens, who now share a common knowledge. Together they have faced the invader. Together they have learned the grave threat he represents to the human race. And now, as they again pursue their separate destinies, they remain more than ever, men with their eyes on the heavens.



I guess we'd have to know the development history to see if there was time for BC to be inspired by them. Three times is quite a coincidence, though. :rommie:
Apparently Bad Company's "Can't Get Enough" came out a month or two before the Barry White song; but Roberta Flack's "Feel Like Makin' Love" came out a full year before Bad Company's.
 
"The Day the Sky Fell In"
Originally aired September 30, 1966
Just a couple of months before the 25th anniversary of the attack. To the viewer, the Pearl Harbor attack was just about the same as the World Trade Center Attack is to us right now, just off by a year. Pretty recent history.

The consul (Did I get that one right?)
I used my console to consult with the Council on Homophones and they say yes. :rommie:

Sumida (uncredited Fuji)
"Fuji, I want you to record their every move."

The time and place bring back Tony's memories of living in Honolulu at the age of seven
Age established at 34.

Tony excitedly realizes that his father is still alive and that he has an opportunity to learn what happened to him and possibly warn him.
This reminds me of an episode of Fantasy Island, where the guy who went back in time was played by Tom Wopat, who gave a surprisingly touching performance, given that he's mainly known for Dukes of Hazzard. The script was good too. I wonder if James Darren is up to that challenge.

she mentions that her husband is on the Enterprise
Not the nuclear wessel or the starship. This is kind of a neat coincidence-- which it almost has to be, since Trek had just premiered and the story about the Enterprise being away from Pearl Harbor is a historical fact.

Tony is awestruck when his father arrives
This has the potential to be quite a character moment.

Commander Newman thinks he's crazy, of course
Are Tony and Doug carrying any kind of contemporary ID?

Tony appeals to his father's educational background in science, asserting the possibility of time travel.
And how'd that go? :rommie:

(Fact check: While there was civilian collateral damage, there was no firebombing of houses.)
Yeah, I thought they just went for the base.

As dinner's being served, Yuko takes Tony and Doug out to where Sumida's waiting to take them at gunpoint.
Geez, at least let them eat. It's only going to disappear when they leap anyway.

they try to convince an unbelieving Sumida that they're time travelers.
"Japan does really well after losing the war. Now let us go."

Another of Tasaka's operatives bursts into the Neal home looking for Cdr. Newman, but flees when Louise pulls a gun on him.
Good one. :rommie:

The TT crew get fixes on the planes taking off from their carriers
Too bad the wormhole didn't mess with the planes like it did the comet.

They speculate about the importance of saving little Tony from the attack
Tony must remember how he got out.

Ann even spouts some unsupported nonsense about how the same thing could happen the other way around, that their Tony dying in 1941 could cause little Tony to cease to exist...?
I guess time tunnels wreak havoc with cause and effect. :rommie:

Lt. Anderson, who's been working overnight, is looking forward to a "nice, quiet, peaceful Sunday morning".
I love the smell of irony in the morning. It smells like... uh, never mind.

Jerry gets all frantically whiny about how they have to find a way to stop it
Does he have some personal stake in the attack too?

Gen. Kirk basically tells him, "Relax, kid, it's only history."
Now this is very bizarre. I would expect a career military man to be the one most affected by watching the attack unfold-- given his age, he would have already been an officer at the start of the war.

Big T catches up with lil' T and convinces him to see to his own safety while Big T goes to warn Tony's father.
"Go back to the house... er, no, wait, go to Los Angeles."

In '68, Jerry loses it again, trying to use the Tunnel to send the bomb somewhere else, and it materializes right there in the Tunnel at the complex. Jerry disarms it before it's sent back out to an unknown destination.
Exciting, but mondo strange.

Tony and Doug arrive at the base's radio room and help a revived Cdr. Newman to get out his message to the Big E.
That's pretty cool.

As his father's starting to figure it out for himself, Tony dramatically reveals his identity just in time for his father to pass away.
When they said he was reported missing, I kind of thought that they would pull him through time. I'm a little disappointed.

The episode opens with a group of invaders bringing their prisoner, oceanographer Dr. Noel Markham (Theo Marcuse), down to an underground chamber to extract more information from him.
"Tell us about your Earth fishes!"

Tom Wiley (Mark Richman)
Peter Mark Richman? There's another guy who always seems like one of them. :rommie:

David's sage advice is for Doneghan to let himself be captured so he can be followed.
And this doesn't trigger Doneghan's paranoia? :rommie:

Doneghan comes up with a transmitter that he'll wear disguised as his St. Christopher's medal
Did they have transmitters that small back then?

he'll be going out of town for reasons he won't divulge, and she believes that he's having an affair.
"It's another alien stripper, isn't it?"

When Tom and David try to follow, sparks play about their car and they open the hood to see the engine vanishing in a red glow.
It must have been made of alien horses.

David informs Eve of the abduction, though not the reason, which earns Tom both a slap and another, less direct invitation, which he rebuffs.
Well, she's not a very sympathetic character. :rommie:

Tom and David fly out in a helicopter to try to pick up the signal while heading to Tucson to see Markham, who's in a padded cell with bandages on his temples.
So the aliens captured him, drove him crazy with questions about fish, and then just let him go?

Tom shares how he's in love with Eve, and feels that Warren's neglected her in favor of his business; but could never act on his feelings because he and Warren have been friends since Korea.
"Yeah, that's cool, but we're stranded in the desert and Earth is being invaded."

David, who's packing heat in a shoulder holster, comes upon another escapee stumbling around, psychology professor Arthur Millington (Peter Brocco), who indicates where he came from. But while David's back is turned, the man pulls an alien ray gun on him...only to be shot multiple times by a returning Wiley, who witnesses as the professor disintegrates in a red glow.
What th--? :rommie:

the real Millington
Have the aliens demonstrated Body Snatcher abilities before? I can't remember.

Wiley follows the sound of the Martian machines from War of the Worlds
Nice. :D

Warren visits David at the hospital to relate how he tried getting the government involved, but they wouldn't believe his explanation for the kidnappings
Or maybe they did and are pretending not to.

When David asks about his wife, Warren declares his intention to spend more time with her.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. :rommie:

Warren's parting words are to encourage David not to give up on his quest.
"Although I will be."

Apparently Bad Company's "Can't Get Enough" came out a month or two before the Barry White song; but Roberta Flack's "Feel Like Makin' Love" came out a full year before Bad Company's.
Yeah, probably mostly coincidences. Anyways, being inspired by a song title isn't really a bad thing when the end result is completely different.
 
70 Years Ago This Month

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"Mannish Boy," Muddy Waters
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(#5 R&B; #229 on Rolling Stone's 500 Greatest Songs of All Time [2004])



July 1
  • South Vietnam's air force, the Republic of Vietnam Air Force, is established.
  • The UK's first atomic bomber unit, No. 138 Squadron RAF, is formed, flying Vickers Valiants from RAF Gaydon in Warwickshire.
  • KOTA TV channel 3 in Rapid City, SD (ABC/NBC) begins broadcasting.

July 2
  • Sen. Lyndon Baines Johnson, during a visit to his friend George Brown in Middleburg, Virginia, has a heart attack and is rushed to Bethesda Naval Hospital in Maryland.

July 9
  • Pacifist Bertrand Russell issues his Russell–Einstein Manifesto in London, highlighting the dangers posed by nuclear weapons and calling for world leaders to seek peaceful resolutions to international conflict. The signatories include eleven pre-eminent intellectuals and scientists, including Albert Einstein.
  • The song "Rock Around the Clock" by Bill Haley & His Comets becomes the first rock and roll song to reach No. 1 on the United States' Billboard pop music charts.



Charting the week of July 9:

"Seventeen," Boyd Bennett & His Rockets
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(#5 US; #7 R&B; #16 UK)



July 10
  • Francis Augustus Hamer, retired Texas Ranger and one of the men who helped hunt down Bonnie and Clyde, dies at 71 in Austin, Texas, as a result of a heat stroke 2 years earlier.

July 11
  • Future astronaut Neil Armstrong begins work as a test pilot at the High-Speed Flight Station of the National Advisory Committee for Aeronautics (NACA), located at Edwards Air Force Base in California, having transferred there from the NACA's Lewis Flight Propulsion Laboratory in Cleveland, Ohio.
  • Congress authorizes all US currency to say "In God We Trust".



On July 13, The Man from Laramie, starring James Stewart, Arthur Kennedy, Donald Crisp, Cathy O'Donnell, Alex Nicol, Aline MacMahon, and Wallace Ford, premieres in San Antonio.
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Charting the week of July 16:

"Ain't That a Shame," Fats Domino
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July 17
  • The Disneyland theme park opens in Anaheim, California, for a preview event broadcast on the American Broadcasting Company television network.
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July 18
  • Disneyland opens to the public.
  • The first nuclear-generated electrical power is sold commercially, by National Reactor Testing Station, partially powering the town of Arco, Idaho.
  • The first Geneva Summit meeting between the United States, the Soviet Union, the United Kingdom, and France begins. It ends on July 23.

July 20
  • The fourth Miss USA beauty pageant is held at Long Beach, California, and is won by Carlene King Johnson.

July 21
  • The BBC brings into service its Divis transmitter, its first permanent 405-line VHF Band I facility serving Northern Ireland, marking the launch of a television service for Northern Ireland; the 35 kW transmissions can also be readily received in much of the Republic of Ireland.

July 22
  • The fourth Miss Universe pageant is held at the Long Beach Municipal Auditorium, California, US, and is won by Miss Sweden, 21-year-old Hillevi Rombin.
  • Born: Willem Dafoe, American film actor, in Appleton, Wisconsin

July 23
  • Died: Cordell Hull, 83, United States Secretary of State, recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize



Charting the week of July 23:

"Razzle-Dazzle," Bill Haley & His Comets
(#15 US; #13 UK)



July 25
  • The New York City Subway system begins using tokens.

July 27
  • El Al Flight 402, a Lockheed Constellation flying from London to Tel Aviv via Vienna and Istanbul, strays into Bulgarian air space and is shot down by Bulgarian Air Force Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-15 fighters. All 58 people aboard are killed.

July 29
  • U.S. President Dwight D. Eisenhower endorses the International Geophysical Year (IGY) proposal for the launching of small earth-circling satellites.
  • The United States announces that it will launch earth satellites during the 18-month IGY (July 1957 through December 1958).

July 31
  • Tropical Storm Brenda develops in the north-central Gulf of Mexico at 0600 UTC.



Released in July:

"I Hear You Knockin'," Smiley Lewis
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(#2 R&B)



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I used my console to consult with the Council on Homophones and they say yes. :rommie:
I find consolation in that.

"Fuji, I want you to record their every move."
Not Capping on the Fourth of July.

ETA: Wait, never mind....

Age established at 34.
Except that in the premiere, they said he was born in 1938. The timeline's already getting wonky.

This reminds me of an episode of Fantasy Island, where the guy who went back in time was played by Tom Wopat, who gave a surprisingly touching performance, given that he's mainly known for Dukes of Hazzard. The script was good too. I wonder if James Darren is up to that challenge.
He was pretty good overall. This was totally his episode.

Not the nuclear wessel or the starship. This is kind of a neat coincidence-- which it almost has to be, since Trek had just premiered and the story about the Enterprise being away from Pearl Harbor is a historical fact.
A historical fact that they twisted the details of a bit...there was no eminent danger of the Enterprise arriving at Pearl just in time for the attack. As for the involvement of the Big E, as you said, this was recent history. She was the most decorated ship in WWII, which is how a now-iconic starship got named after her.

This has the potential to be quite a character moment.
It was awkward and touching.

Are Tony and Doug carrying any kind of contemporary ID?
Not that's been established.

And how'd that go? :rommie:
Newman Sr. was entertaining the notion.

Geez, at least let them eat. It's only going to disappear when they leap anyway.
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"Japan does really well after losing the war. Now let us go."
They could've described 1950s monster movies as future history. "Let me tell you about Godzilla...."

Too bad the wormhole didn't mess with the planes like it did the comet.
Now you're getting to be like Jerry.

Tony must remember how he got out.
He was having trouble, but it was a traumatic day for him overall. Also potential evidence of the travelers' presence nudging around history...he couldn't remember what happened because it was in flux.

I guess time tunnels wreak havoc with cause and effect. :rommie:
That, or Irwin Allen writers.

I love the smell of irony in the morning. It smells like... uh, never mind.
Another film I've never seen all of. Guess that'll be changing in about four years.

Does he have some personal stake in the attack too?
Not that they established, he was just being a noob.

Now this is very bizarre. I would expect a career military man to be the one most affected by watching the attack unfold-- given his age, he would have already been an officer at the start of the war.
But he also had age, wisdom, and perspective. It was nice to see somebody acknowledge that they should err on the side of letting their own history happen.

When they said he was reported missing, I kind of thought that they would pull him through time. I'm a little disappointed.
That would've been an awkward development for episodic television. Would Newman Sr. be hanging out at TT watching his son's adventures?

Peter Mark Richman?
Yep. I thought he'd popped up in enough stuff at this point that I didn't have to include "Peter" in brackets.

There's another guy who always seems like one of them. :rommie:
Indeed, I was hoping they wouldn't go for the obvious there, and they didn't. Though there wasn't really any big twist alien impersonation this week.

And this doesn't trigger Doneghan's paranoia? :rommie:
Big finale twist--David is one of them!

Did they have transmitters that small back then?
Apparently he did. Wouldn't have seemed out of place in a Bond movie of the era or Batman.

"It's another alien stripper, isn't it?"
:o

Well, she's not a very sympathetic character. :rommie:
The second time, she implied that Tom would gain from Warren's disappearance; which he objected to, being focused on helping his friend. But yeah, that whole angle seemed undercooked. She should have been an alien or something.

So the aliens captured him, drove him crazy with questions about fish, and then just let him go?
He got away; they maybe got what they needed from him; and it was better for maintaining their cover to let him seem to be insane.

What th--? :rommie:
Have the aliens demonstrated Body Snatcher abilities before? I can't remember.
Impersonating humans is their stock in trade. They went for a specific person whom David would have expected to be around and was inclined to trust.

Or maybe they did and are pretending not to.
"Although I will be."
It's interesting that David is establishing a network of conspiracy believers, whether or not specific ones return. I read that in Season 2, he'll have a recurring sort of fan club who support his efforts. Kinda like the Teen Brigade.
 
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"Mannish Boy," Muddy Waters
He can bring home the bacon and fry it up in the pan.

Sen. Lyndon Baines Johnson, during a visit to his friend George Brown in Middleburg, Virginia, has a heart attack and is rushed to Bethesda Naval Hospital in Maryland.
You'd think that would have ruled him out for a presidential run in those days.

Pacifist Bertrand Russell issues his Russell–Einstein Manifesto in London, highlighting the dangers posed by nuclear weapons and calling for world leaders to seek peaceful resolutions to international conflict.
Profound thought, Bertrand.

The song "Rock Around the Clock" by Bill Haley & His Comets becomes the first rock and roll song to reach No. 1 on the United States' Billboard pop music charts.
It almost didn't happen, but luckily these guys named Doug and Tony showed up....

"Seventeen," Boyd Bennett & His Rockets
Catchy.

Future astronaut Neil Armstrong begins work as a test pilot at the High-Speed Flight Station of the National Advisory Committee for Aeronautics (NACA), located at Edwards Air Force Base in California, having transferred there from the NACA's Lewis Flight Propulsion Laboratory in Cleveland, Ohio.
Little did he know....

Congress authorizes all US currency to say "In God We Trust".
First Amendment? What First Amendment?

On July 13, The Man from Laramie, starring James Stewart, Arthur Kennedy, Donald Crisp, Cathy O'Donnell, Alex Nicol, Aline MacMahon, and Wallace Ford, premieres in San Antonio.
I've heard the name, but I have no idea what it's about.

Disneyland opens to the public.
That has the potential to generate some wealth.

The fourth Miss USA beauty pageant is held at Long Beach, California, and is won by Carlene King Johnson.
The fourth Miss Universe pageant is held at the Long Beach Municipal Auditorium, California, US, and is won by Miss Sweden, 21-year-old Hillevi Rombin.
The fourteen-billionth Miss Omniverse pageant is held on Zeta Reticuli and is won by Miss Triangulum, also known as "The Great Attractor."

Also catchy.

El Al Flight 402, a Lockheed Constellation flying from London to Tel Aviv via Vienna and Istanbul, strays into Bulgarian air space and is shot down by Bulgarian Air Force Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-15 fighters. All 58 people aboard are killed.
I guess Bulgaria asks questions later.

The United States announces that it will launch earth satellites during the 18-month IGY (July 1957 through December 1958).
"After that, we'll see."

"I Hear You Knockin'," Smiley Lewis
Now we're talking. That's a classic.

I find consolation in that.
:rommie:

Not Capping on the Fourth of July.

ETA: Wait, never mind....
:D

Except that in the premiere, they said he was born in 1938. The timeline's already getting wonky.
"I was seven years old... no, wait, three... and I had an older brother named Chuck...."

He was pretty good overall. This was totally his episode.
Ah, that's good.

A historical fact that they twisted the details of a bit...there was no eminent danger of the Enterprise arriving at Pearl just in time for the attack. As for the involvement of the Big E, as you said, this was recent history. She was the most decorated ship in WWII, which is how a now-iconic starship got named after her.
True, the name itself was already iconic.

It was awkward and touching.
I'm sure he appreciated the opportunity to do some real acting.

Newman Sr. was entertaining the notion.
Interesting....

:rommie:

They could've described 1950s monster movies as future history. "Let me tell you about Godzilla...."
Considering what they did to Halley's Comet, I wouldn't be surprised if they did meet Godzilla. :rommie:

Now you're getting to be like Jerry.
Ouch. :rommie:

He was having trouble, but it was a traumatic day for him overall. Also potential evidence of the travelers' presence nudging around history...he couldn't remember what happened because it was in flux.
Ah, okay.

That, or Irwin Allen writers.
Right. :rommie:

Another film I've never seen all of. Guess that'll be changing in about four years.
I saw it. I'm still traumatized by the sight of Marlon Brando splashing water on his giant bald head.

But he also had age, wisdom, and perspective. It was nice to see somebody acknowledge that they should err on the side of letting their own history happen.
That's a good point.

That would've been an awkward development for episodic television. Would Newman Sr. be hanging out at TT watching his son's adventures?
I hadn't thought it through that far, but I suppose they could send him off with a pension and an NDA, and bring him back occasionally when Tony needed a stern talking to.

Yep. I thought he'd popped up in enough stuff at this point that I didn't have to include "Peter" in brackets.
I was pretty positive, but it just looks weird to me that way.

Big finale twist--David is one of them!
"I... remember!"

Apparently he did. Wouldn't have seemed out of place in a Bond movie of the era or Batman.
True enough.

He got away; they maybe got what they needed from him; and it was better for maintaining their cover to let him seem to be insane.
These alien invaders are pretty incompetent. I'm starting to think they're all just members of an amateur alien cult or something. All the government needed to do was call the police on their homeworld and they'd come and arrest them.

Impersonating humans is their stock in trade. They went for a specific person whom David would have expected to be around and was inclined to trust.
Have they stated or implied that their true form is totally non human? Maybe all scary tentacles, like in a Ray Bradbury story?

It's interesting that David is establishing a network of conspiracy believers, whether or not specific ones return. I read that in Season 2, he'll have a recurring sort of fan club who support his efforts. Kinda like the Teen Brigade.
I wonder how it would have developed if it lasted longer. Maybe he'd become head of a UFO cult or something.
 
50 Years Ago This Week


July 6
  • Ruffian, an American champion filly thoroughbred racehorse who had won the 1975 Triple Tiara (the Acorn Stakes, the Mother Goose Stakes and the American Oaks), raced against a champion colt, 1975 Kentucky Derby winner Foolish Pleasure, who had come in second place in the Preakness, as part of a nationally televised "Challenge of the Sexes" between the two thoroughbreds. Ruffian fractured her right foreleg and, after post-surgery difficulty, had to be euthanized the following day.
  • Warren A. Klope shattered the world record for stone skipping after sending a flat rock that bounced 24 times along the waters of Lake Superior. Breaking the former world record of 21 skips, set by Carl Weiholdt of Denmark in 1957, Klope's mark was set at the annual International Stone Skipping Tournament at Mackinac Island, Michigan.

July 7
  • The U.S. state of Alaska had its highest recorded temperatures ever, with the capital at Juneau registering at 90 °F (32 °C) for the first time, a mark that has not been exceeded since then. Other high temperatures registered that day were 86° at Fairbanks and at Sitka, but only 68° at Anchorage. By contrast, Miami Beach, Florida, was slightly cooler than Juneau, with a high of 89°.
  • Died: Ruffian, 3, American racehorse
And Ringo Starr turned 35! :beer:

July 8
  • U.S. President Gerald R. Ford announced that he would run for President of the United States in 1976, in his first try for national office. Ford, described as "the first unelected President" because he had not run for either the Presidency or the Vice-Presidency, had succeeded Richard Nixon after having been appointed U.S. Vice-President in 1974.

July 9
  • Dutch photographer and artist Bas Jan Ader departed on a yacht from Cape Cod, in the U.S. state of Massachusetts in an attempt to make an unassisted voyage from west to east of the North Atlantic Ocean. He was never seen in public again. His unmanned 13 feet (4.0 m) boat, Ocean Wave would be found on April 18, 1976, partially capsized, about 115 miles (185 km) southwest of Ireland.
  • The British rock band The Rolling Stones began a five-night run of sold-out concerts at the Los Angeles Forum as part of their 1975 Tour of The Americas.

July 11
  • The archaeology community marked July 11, 1975 as a pivotal moment in the Terracotta Army excavation: that's when archaeologists completed the initial unearthing of Emperor Qin Shi Huang's burial pits, revealing approximately 8,000 terracotta soldiers and horses guarding his tomb. Discovered by local farmers digging a well in March 1974, the site contains life-size warriors arranged in military formations, along with chariots and horses, many still holding real weapons like swords and crossbows.
  • Died: Martin Cox, 17, at the time the longest survivor of a liver transplant. Cox was two days short of the sixth anniversary of the July 13, 1969, transplant.


Selections from Billboard's Hot 100 for the week:
1. "Love Will Keep Us Together," Captain & Tenille
2. "The Hustle," Van McCoy & The Soul City Symphony
3. "Listen to What the Man Said," Wings
4. "Wildfire," Michael Murphey
5. "Magic," Pilot
6. "Please Mr. Please," Olivia Newton-John
7. "One of These Nights," Eagles
8. "Swearin' to God," Frankie Valli
9. "When Will I Be Loved," Linda Ronstadt
10. "I'm Not in Love," 10cc
11. "Rockin' Chair," Gwen McCrae
12. "Love Won't Let Me Wait," Major Harris
13. "The Way We Were / Try to Remember," Gladys Knight & The Pips
14. "Misty," Ray Stevens
15. "Midnight Blue," Melissa Manchester
16. "Dynomite, Pt. I," Tony Camillo's Bazuka
17. "Why Can't We Be Friends?," War
18. "I'm Not Lisa," Jessi Colter
19. "I'm on Fire," Dwight Twilley Band
20. "Rhinestone Cowboy," Glen Campbell
21. "The Rockford Files," Mike Post
22. "Jive Talkin'," Bee Gees
23. "Only Women [Bleed]," Alice Cooper
24. "Get Down, Get Down (Get on the Floor)," Joe Simon
25. "Someone Saved My Life Tonight," Elton John
26. "Every Time You Touch Me (I Get High)," Charlie Rich
27. "Hey You," Bachman-Turner Overdrive
28. "Slippery When Wet," Commodores
29. "Sister Golden Hair," America
30. "Cut the Cake," Average White Band
31. "It's All Down to Goodnight Vienna," Ringo Starr

33. "Take Me in Your Arms (Rock Me a Little While)," The Doobie Brothers
34. "Mornin' Beautiful," Tony Orlando & Dawn

36. "Fight the Power, Pt. 1," The Isley Brothers
37. "Thank God I'm a Country Boy," John Denver
38. "Just a Little Bit of You," Michael Jackson
39. "At Seventeen," Janis Ian
40. "Sweet Emotion," Aerosmith
41. "Saturday Night Special," Lynyrd Skynyrd
42. "I Don't Know Why," The Rolling Stones
43. "How Sweet It Is (To Be Loved by You)," James Taylor

45. "Holdin' On to Yesterday," Ambrosia
46. "Wasted Days and Wasted Nights," Freddy Fender

50. "Philadelphia Freedom," Elton John
51. "Could It Be Magic," Barry Manilow

54. "Send in the Clowns," Judy Collins
55. "I'll Play for You," Seals & Crofts
56. "Third Rate Romance," Amazing Rhythm Aces
57. "Fallin' in Love," Hamilton, Joe Frank & Reynolds

59. "Feel Like Makin' Love," Bad Company
60. "The Ballroom Blitz," Sweet

63. "That's the Way of the World," Earth, Wind & Fire

67. "Fame," David Bowie

70. "Feelings," Morris Albert

73. "Bad Time," Grand Funk

82. "The Last Farewell," Roger Whittaker

84. "Bad Luck," Harold Melvin & The Blue Notes

86. "Help Me Rhonda," Johnny Rivers

94. "Get Down Tonight," KC & The Sunshine Band

Leaving the chart:
  • "Baby That's Backatcha," Smokey Robinson (11 weeks)
  • "Old Days," Chicago (11 weeks)

Recent and new on the chart:

"Send in the Clowns," Judy Collins
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(June 21; #36 US; #8 AC; #6 UK; 1976 Grammy Award for Song of the Year; recharts in 1977, reaching #19 US, #15 AC)

"Third Rate Romance," Amazing Rhythm Aces
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(June 21; #14 US; #33 AC; #11 Country)

"Mornin' Beautiful," Tony Orlando & Dawn
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(June 21; #14 US; #2 AC)

"Help Me Rhonda," Johnny Rivers
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(#22 US; #38 AC)

"Get Down Tonight," KC & The Sunshine Band
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(#1 US the week of Aug. 30, 1975; #11 Dance; #1 R&B; #21 UK)



Timeline entries are quoted from the Wiki page for the month, with minor editing as needed.



He can bring home the bacon and fry it up in the pan.
This was the answer song to Bo Diddly's "I'm a Man," which was done in Muddy's style.

You'd think that would have ruled him out for a presidential run in those days.
Don't think it was that uncommon for presidents to have medical histories, before and during.

It almost didn't happen, but luckily these guys named Doug and Tony showed up....
Unaware that it was all a distraction to cover the first invaders arriving.

Not bad...fully formed rock 'n' roll.

I was watching a show on Story covering the year 1955 in newsreels from the era, and one of them made a joking reference to rock 'n' roll out of context.

That has the potential to generate some wealth.
Did you happen to watch enough of the special to catch that Ronnie Reagan was one of the hosts?

The fourteen-billionth Miss Omniverse pageant is held on Zeta Reticuli and is won by Miss Triangulum, also known as "The Great Attractor."
And now she's running a little diner in the New Mexico desert.

Also catchy.
Not bad, but these other Bill Haley songs tend to start sounding the same.

Now we're talking. That's a classic.
Definitely the most memorable of this bunch.

"I was seven years old... no, wait, three... and I had an older brother named Chuck...."
:lol: :techman:

True, the name itself was already iconic.
I was thinking that it's kind of funny that the RL carrier inspired the name of the fictional starship that in turn inspired the name of the RL space shuttle prototype.

Ah, okay.
I should note that the episode didn't do anything to imply that sort of explanation of Tony's hazy memory, it was pure speculation on my part. But it makes more sense than the idea of older Tony dying in 1941 causing younger Tony to cease to exist.

I hadn't thought it through that far, but I suppose they could send him off with a pension and an NDA, and bring him back occasionally when Tony needed a stern talking to.
"Have you been eating your vegetables, son? What do you mean they disappear?"

I should note that thus far, while the TT crew can pick up audio as well as video through time, they have no way of transmitting either to the travelers.

I was pretty positive, but it just looks weird to me that way.
It's how he was billing himself in those days.

"I... remember!"
Or maybe..."Gotcha!"

Have they stated or implied that their true form is totally non human? Maybe all scary tentacles, like in a Ray Bradbury story?
Not yet that I've caught, but I did read that there will be a couple of glimpses of their true form.
 
Ruffian fractured her right foreleg and, after post-surgery difficulty, had to be euthanized the following day.
Aw, the poor thing. An ignoble fate for a champion.

Warren A. Klope shattered the world record for stone skipping
So many questions. So many questions.

the annual International Stone Skipping Tournament
Really. So many questions.

The U.S. state of Alaska had its highest recorded temperatures ever, with the capital at Juneau registering at 90 °F (32 °C) for the first time, a mark that has not been exceeded since then.
This is pretty interesting, considering overall warming trends. I wonder what brought it on.

And Ringo Starr turned 35! :beer:
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U.S. President Gerald R. Ford announced that he would run for President of the United States in 1976
Don't run, Gerry, walk slowly and carefully!

Dutch photographer and artist Bas Jan Ader departed on a yacht from Cape Cod, in the U.S. state of Massachusetts in an attempt to make an unassisted voyage from west to east of the North Atlantic Ocean. He was never seen in public again.
Hmm. "In public."

The archaeology community marked July 11, 1975 as a pivotal moment in the Terracotta Army excavation: that's when archaeologists completed the initial unearthing of Emperor Qin Shi Huang's burial pits, revealing approximately 8,000 terracotta soldiers and horses guarding his tomb. Discovered by local farmers digging a well in March 1974, the site contains life-size warriors arranged in military formations, along with chariots and horses, many still holding real weapons like swords and crossbows.
This is such an amazing site. I think some idiot tourist broke one of them just recently.

"Send in the Clowns," Judy Collins
This is a great song. Strong nostalgic value.

"Third Rate Romance," Amazing Rhythm Aces
I know this one, but it's got to be from Lost 45s or Time-Life. Decent song, but no nostalgic value.

"Mornin' Beautiful," Tony Orlando & Dawn
I don't know this one, but it's got that pleasant Dawn sound.

"Help Me Rhonda," Johnny Rivers
Sounds like the 50s. :rommie:

"Get Down Tonight," KC & The Sunshine Band
It's an okay song, but it's got strong nostalgic value, especially the opening bars or intro or whatever you call those first few seconds before the singing starts.

This was the answer song to Bo Diddly's "I'm a Man," which was done in Muddy's style.
There's a lot of musical conversations out there that I never knew about. :rommie:

Don't think it was that uncommon for presidents to have medical histories, before and during.
Yeah, I guess, but a heart attack was serious business in those days. "Serious as a heart attack." You were a ticking time bomb. Nowadays, it's like, "I can't make golf today, I had a heart attack-- can we reschedule for Thursday?"

Unaware that it was all a distraction to cover the first invaders arriving.
It's all starting to make some kind of sense.

I was watching a show on Story covering the year 1955 in newsreels from the era, and one of them made a joking reference to rock 'n' roll out of context.
"It'll never last."

Did you happen to watch enough of the special to catch that Ronnie Reagan was one of the hosts?
I didn't, actually. Too bad he didn't stick to working for the Mouse.

And now she's running a little diner in the New Mexico desert.
People come from parsecs around.

Not bad, but these other Bill Haley songs tend to start sounding the same.
I actually can't think of anything besides "Rock Around The Clock."

I was thinking that it's kind of funny that the RL carrier inspired the name of the fictional starship that in turn inspired the name of the RL space shuttle prototype.
Yeah, that was very cool. Big moment for Trekkies. :D

I should note that the episode didn't do anything to imply that sort of explanation of Tony's hazy memory, it was pure speculation on my part. But it makes more sense than the idea of older Tony dying in 1941 causing younger Tony to cease to exist.
Yeah, I tried to come with some technobabble or metaphysicalbabble for that one and came up empty. :rommie:

"Have you been eating your vegetables, son? What do you mean they disappear?"
"The good news is that the taste disappears right out of my mouth. Man, I hate broccoli."

I should note that thus far, while the TT crew can pick up audio as well as video through time, they have no way of transmitting either to the travelers.
This must change. I'm almost positive I remember them talking to TT. Or maybe that was in another timeline.

It's how he was billing himself in those days.
Coincidentally, we watched a good Mission: Impossible yesterday with him in it and he was billed just as Mark Richman.

Or maybe..."Gotcha!"
Ooh, nice. Maybe he's from yet a third planet, working against the Invaders.

Not yet that I've caught, but I did read that there will be a couple of glimpses of their true form.
Okay, looking forward to that. :rommie:
 
So many questions. So many questions.

Really. So many questions.
How so?

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Ringo needs to be a little less time-specific. I don't want to have to set an alarm to say "Peace and love".

Don't run, Gerry, walk slowly and carefully!
:D And know that there will be math.

Hmm. "In public."
Hadn't noticed that odd bit.

This is such an amazing site. I think some idiot tourist broke one of them just recently.
They let tourists walk around there?

This is a great song. Strong nostalgic value.
I don't have this version, but could use a little more Judy in my collection.

The version that I do have, you ask?
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I know this one, but it's got to be from Lost 45s or Time-Life. Decent song, but no nostalgic value.
Has a very vague familiarity, but it could just be that it reminds me melodically of another song, like "Knock Three Times".

I don't know this one, but it's got that pleasant Dawn sound.
Nowhere near the same memorability class as "Knock Three Times".

Sounds like the 50s. :rommie:
I'll accept that, as it was probably the idea.

It's an okay song, but it's got strong nostalgic value, especially the opening bars or intro or whatever you call those first few seconds before the singing starts.
Short-list disco classic.

Yeah, I guess, but a heart attack was serious business in those days. "Serious as a heart attack." You were a ticking time bomb. Nowadays, it's like, "I can't make golf today, I had a heart attack-- can we reschedule for Thursday?"
Eisenhower had a heart attack while in office...coming pretty soon to 70th anniversary business.

I didn't, actually. Too bad he didn't stick to working for the Mouse.
I got 20-ish minutes in, I think, by which point he'd hosted two segments.

People come from parsecs around.
Grab some lunch and assume their human identities.

I actually can't think of anything besides "Rock Around The Clock."
In addition to their cover of "Shake, Rattle & Roll," I can think of one other memorable single, which will be coming early in '56.

Yeah, that was very cool. Big moment for Trekkies. :D
Yet they came away feeling like they shot themselves in the foot, having jumped the gun by lobbying for the name change on the shuttle that wasn't going into space.

Yeah, I tried to come with some technobabble or metaphysicalbabble for that one and came up empty. :rommie:
Something like that would definitely be getting into de facto magic, with no rationality to speak of.

"The good news is that the taste disappears right out of my mouth. Man, I hate broccoli."
"And why didn't you go into the tunnel with a warm sweater over that turtleneck?"

This must change. I'm almost positive I remember them talking to TT. Or maybe that was in another timeline.
Guess we'll see. Hasn't happened yet. I wasn't even 100% clear offhand if TT was picking up audio. I was under the impression, but that's something I'll have to be more watchful for.

Coincidentally, we watched a good Mission: Impossible yesterday with him in it and he was billed just as Mark Richman.
If it was Rollin era, it had to be somebody he ended up impersonating.

Ooh, nice. Maybe he's from yet a third planet, working against the Invaders.
I was thinking more like a mole to out and entrap others who are onto to the alien conspiracy...which could involve him being conditioned not to even remember what he really is.

Okay, looking forward to that. :rommie:
There will have to be screenshots, of course. They may already be on IMDb.



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How did stone skipping become an international event? Who started it? How is it funded? What are the membership requirements? Was Opie involved? Are there rules that govern the size and shape of qualified stones? Are you allowed to polish or grind your stones? Are you allowed to hollow out or cork your stones? Are there kids who chase the stones and retrieve them, like in tennis? Are there foul stones, like in baseball? Are you judged for distance or just number of skips? Who counts the skips? Are there referees who decide if a skip is valid? Are there separate men's and lady's competitions? Are there doubles competitions? Are there teams? Are there rules governing the body of water where the skipping takes place? Is there a maximum ripple size allowed? Are boats banned within a certain distance? What happens if you hit a fish? Are there rules governing meteorological conditions? Are there age or weight categories? Will it ever become an Olympic event? And on and on and on. :rommie:

Ringo needs to be a little less time-specific. I don't want to have to set an alarm to say "Peace and love".
I'm sure he'll accept Peace and Love at any time of the day or night, but he's probably envisioning a vast release of karmic energy or something that will change the world. And henceforth this shall be known as Ringo Day.
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:D And know that there will be math.
:rommie:

They let tourists walk around there?
Kind of. He broke through some barriers to get there. They speculate that he's mentally ill. He's a Chinese citizen, so he'll probably just disappear forever.

The version that I do have, you ask?
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"Am I a clown to you? Do I make you laugh?"

Nowhere near the same memorability class as "Knock Three Times".
No, definitely not.

Eisenhower had a heart attack while in office...coming pretty soon to 70th anniversary business.
Hmm, I'm not sure if I knew that.

Grab some lunch and assume their human identities.
It's the Ellis Island of the Zeta Reticulans.

Yet they came away feeling like they shot themselves in the foot, having jumped the gun by lobbying for the name change on the shuttle that wasn't going into space.
Yeah, that's true. Did you ever notice that the naming convention for the NX-class starships in Enterprise was to follow the shuttle names?

Something like that would definitely be getting into de facto magic, with no rationality to speak of.
Indeed.

"And why didn't you go into the tunnel with a warm sweater over that turtleneck?"
"You always did lose track of time, you punk."

If it was Rollin era, it had to be somebody he ended up impersonating.
Actually, it was Paris Era. He was brainwashed-- or rather, brain implanted-- to kill Phelps.

I was thinking more like a mole to out and entrap others who are onto to the alien conspiracy...which could involve him being conditioned not to even remember what he really is.
That would have been a dark and Prisoner-worthy twist. :rommie:

There will have to be screenshots, of course. They may already be on IMDb.
Unless they have gotten to them.

I wonder how good the Joker was at skipping stones.
 
How did stone skipping become an international event? Who started it? How is it funded? What are the membership requirements? Was Opie involved? Are there rules that govern the size and shape of qualified stones? Are you allowed to polish or grind your stones? Are you allowed to hollow out or cork your stones? Are there kids who chase the stones and retrieve them, like in tennis? Are there foul stones, like in baseball? Are you judged for distance or just number of skips? Who counts the skips? Are there referees who decide if a skip is valid? Are there separate men's and lady's competitions? Are there doubles competitions? Are there teams? Are there rules governing the body of water where the skipping takes place? Is there a maximum ripple size allowed? Are boats banned within a certain distance? What happens if you hit a fish? Are there rules governing meteorological conditions? Are there age or weight categories? Will it ever become an Olympic event? And on and on and on. :rommie:
OK, way overthinking.

I'm sure he'll accept Peace and Love at any time of the day or night, but he's probably envisioning a vast release of karmic energy or something that will change the world. And henceforth this shall be known as Ringo Day.
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If you're not familiar, he's been doing this on his birthday for years and years.

"Am I a clown to you? Do I make you laugh?"
Capped, though I've never actually watched the film.

Hmm, I'm not sure if I knew that.
And it was during his first term and he got reelected. Richie should've brought it up in his rally speech. They could've gotten in some good cross-era meta by having him ask the crowd if they wanted Richard Nixon running the country.

Yeah, that's true. Did you ever notice that the naming convention for the NX-class starships in Enterprise was to follow the shuttle names?
I'm aware of two of them offhand. Were there more established?

Actually, it was Paris Era. He was brainwashed-- or rather, brain implanted-- to kill Phelps.
I vaguely recall that one.

I wonder how good the Joker was at skipping stones.
Would it be easier or harder if you turned the water into gelatin?
 
OK, way overthinking.
Welcome to my world. :rommie:

If you're not familiar, he's been doing this on his birthday for years and years.
Yeah, I was kind of aware of that.

Capped, though I've never actually watched the film.
I've never seen it either, but, of course, the clip is available. It's a scene my Sister likes to quote. :rommie:

And it was during his first term and he got reelected. Richie should've brought it up in his rally speech. They could've gotten in some good cross-era meta by having him ask the crowd if they wanted Richard Nixon running the country.
That would have been funny. :rommie:

I'm aware of two of them offhand. Were there more established?
Well, there was the Columbia, of course. I thought more were mentioned in dialogue, but I can't find any confirmation of that at the moment. They appeared in technical manuals and novels, but I never read any of those, so if they weren't mentioned in dialogue then I must have read about them in an interview.

Would it be easier or harder if you turned the water into gelatin?
You'd probably want to go for height rather than speed. :rommie:
 


Post-58th Anniversary Viewing



The Time Tunnel
"The Last Patrol"
Originally aired October 7, 1966
Frndly said:
Tony and Doug are charged with espionage when they land in Louisiana just before the battle of New Orleans.

January 6, 1815: Tony and Doug are initially separated while landing in a fake wood. While evading British soldiers, Tony grabs some buckskins hanging out, which he and Doug don after they find each other. They're promptly captured, and while they try to explain themselves to the commander of a British regiment, Colonel Southall, aka "The Butcher," he tells them to stifle, promising a speedy trial that will end with them being shot as spies.
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Doug surmises that they've arrived just before the Battle of New Orleans, the last battle of the War of 1812. In 1968, Gen. Kirk's invited a colleague out from the British Embassy who has a particular interest in the War of 1812--General Phillip Southall, the colonel's descendant, who's always wanted to know why his ancestor led his Seventh Regiment into a slaughter the day after the one they're monitoring.
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As the trial proceeds in the past, the colonel produces papers found on the guys' clothing that indicates they're Jackson's men. When he's unable to get information out of them about the disposition of Jackson's forces, he sentences them to death by firing squad. The colonel and Captain Hotchkiss (Michael Pate) are unable to turn Doug and Tony against one another by offering each an opportunity to be part of a prisoner exchange with a captured scout of Southall's, so the colonel decides to use their camaraderie against them, strongarming Tony into leading the captain, wearing Doug's clothes, on a scouting patrol to Jackson's forces in exchange for Doug's welfare. The plan is for the captain to infiltrate Jackson's forces on an espionage mission and have a rocket fired to signal the direction for flanking Jackson's forces; following which the colonel plans to have the prisoners executed.

Despite it being a case of the blind leading the blind, Tony and Hotchkiss manage to find Jackson's camp. Spying the general from a distance, Hotchkiss considers taking a shot at him, but Tony makes him think better of it. They're soon caught by an American patrol, and while Tony makes a break for it, Hotchkiss is taken to see Capt. Jenkins (John Napier) and divulges his true identity. Tony takes out a couple of sentries, relieving one of his musket, and frees Hotchkiss; who quickly assumes control of the situation and the musket. Once they're alone in the woods, however, Hotchkiss reveals that it's time for Tony's delayed execution. Tony finds an opportunity to make a break for it.

Back at the British camp, Southall tries again to get information from Doug, then orders his execution. At TT, Southall 1968 is desperate to know what his infamous ancestor is thinking and wants Kirk to send him back via the tunnel. After Southall goes through the Pentagon to get permission, the decision comes back down to Kirk. Southall offers that he could help convince his ancestor to spare Doug; but his final method of persuasion is the revelation that he's terminally ill, making this a dying request from a familyless man who has nothing to lose by being stranded in the past.
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When Gen. Southall is transferred back to 1815, he is shown moving through the time vortex. Throughout the run of the series, more than a dozen characters are transferred by the Tunnel, but this is the only time that anyone other than Tony and Doug is shown in the vortex. The others just disappear from one time and appear in another. Southall is the only traveler to land his feet in the course of the entire series. Tony and Doug always fall and tumble when they arrive for their next adventure.
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The general floats down like a bag of feathers right next to Doug as he's about to be executed, so Doug makes a break for it. Southall orders the officer in charge to take him to his commanding officer. Elsewhere, Hotchkiss falls into the obligatory pool of quicksand and Tony saves him by pulling him out with Hotchkiss's musket. Nevertheless, when signal officer Lt. Rynerson (David Watson) arrives to handle the rocket firing, Hotchkiss announces his intent to go through with the execution of Tony. Back at British field HQ, Col. Southall thinks his descendant's account is a great jest; but the general gets down to business, questioning why the colonel will attack Jackson's stronger side against the rocket signal. The colonel begins to believe the general when the latter quotes verbatim a letter that the colonel had just written by hand.
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Which one, Meathead, which one!?!

Doug arrives at the clearing where the execution and rocket-firing are to take place and pounces in, initiating a brawl. The British soldiers are put out of commission while the lit launcher is facing the wrong way. The colonel sees the signal and the general witnesses as his ancestor orders his men to march in the direction indicated by the rocket. From a vantage point on high ground, the travelers watch as Southall's men march into slaughter; while Doug expresses concern for the unknown 20th-century British officer who saved his life. The TT crew realize that General Southall's dying when their readings indicate that he's losing radiation--How does that work? In the aftermath of the battle, the guys find Gen. Southall, whose dying request is for them to testify on his behalf that his ancestor was not a butcher, he marched into slaughter in error.

As the guys are about to be pulled into the time stream, we get our first total clothing change-back where it's obvious that the original clothes aren't being worn underneath.
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IMDb indicates that Col. Southall wears a wristwatch, though I didn't notice it.



The Invaders
"Genesis"
Originally aired February 7, 1967
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David's search for the invaders leads to a sea lab---where the project director has mysteriously disappeared.

Motorcycle officer Sgt. Hal Corman (Phillip E. Pine) pulls over a Woodie with a headlight out. The driver, Steve Gibbs (Tim McIntire), tries to make excuses when the officer wants to see what's curtained off in the back. It turns out to be something alien but off camera that emits a pulsing glow and evokes a horrified reaction from Corman. Gibbs puts a hand disc on his neck and drives off.

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A police officer had seen something so terrifying that he had been driven to hysteria, and from hysteria to the thin edge of madness. His incoherent words describing a creature not of this world and a strange, metallic disc bring David Vincent to this Rhode Island city and Officer Hal Corman.

Psychiatrist Dr. Grayson (one of a handful of roles former 12OCH regular Frank Overton did between the end of that QM series and his death in April 1967, which also included his Trek appearance) convinces Joan Corman (Louise Latham) to let him take Hal to a facility where his mental block can be overcome and he can be brought out of his state of deep shock. When David comes to the hospital trying to see Hal, police detective Greg Lucather (John Larch) suspects that he may be the station wagon driver, but a background check at HQ turns up that he's an alien conspiracy kook; and a call from Grayson alerts him that after talking to David, she's insisted on letting him see her husband at the psychiatric hospital. David is let in against Grayson's objections that the wrong word could send Hal deeper into his madness. When David's sympathetic but persistent questioning about the metal disc provokes a strong reaction of horror, Grayson kicks Vincent out and Lucather threatens to take him in; though David tries to warn the detective that Corman needs to have a guard put on him.

Later a man claiming to be an officer comes to David's hotel room to take him in, saying that Corman died of a cerebral hemorrhage; but he turns out to be one of them, whose attempt to use a metal disc leads to a parking garage brawl that the alien is winning when Lucather drives up. The alien tries to flee while exchanging shots and takes a bullet, causing Lucather to witness the resulting disintegration. It turns out that Corman is dead and Lucather, who's now more open to David's claims, was coming to bring David in. They trace the Woodie, which this alien was also using, to Dr. Selene Lowell (Carol Rossen) at the Newport Sea Lab. She indicates that her car was often borrowed, but tells them of how the director, Dr. Lanier, just went missing; and of the major shake-up since Lanier took over, with just her and Dr. Ken Harrison (William Sargent) being holdovers from the prior director's staff. She also shows Lucather and Vincent what they've been experimenting on--an organism in a tank that she says is created life, an attempt at recreating the conditions under which life developed on Earth. Looking around the place, David finds Gibbs, who says he's with the power company, installing some heavy-duty cables.

We see Dr. Grayson calling the shots at the sea lab, learning that he's one of them and is exerting influence over Dr. Harrison via a handheld device that looks like a pair of spinning crystals. The invaders need the knowledge of Lanier and his top staff to further their goals; and this involves Harrison needing a massive burst of power that may disrupt the city's power grid. Lucather gets a call that Mrs. Corman is holding him responsible for her husband's death and goes to meet her at a warehouse, which David tries to warn him may be a trap, verifying afterward that Mrs. C has left the state to visit in-laws. David and Lowell head to the warehouse, which they have reason to believe may be connected with Lanier, and David starts to fill her in on the alien invasion angle. At the lab, Harrison opens the faceplate of a seemingly empty diving suit seen dangling in a tank in previous scenes and addresses its unseen occupant as Dr. Lanier. Something smaller than human is subsequently carried out on a litter and put into a tank.

The warehouse turns out to be a regeneration station, where David joins Lucather in captivity. They're put into the tubes for induced heart attacks, but the anticipated massive power surge disrupts things, giving David and Lucather an opportunity to escape. From the station wagon's traced movements on the night of the Corman incident, David deduces that Lanier was being taken to the regeneration station because he was having trouble maintaining human form; that it was he that Corman saw in the back of the wagon; that he's now at the sea lab; and that they are desperate to get him well for a planned meeting that's been established. (David mentions knowing that when regeneration fails, aliens die and burn up, though I don't recall this being directly established in prior episodes.) At the lab, as power is fed into the thing in the tank, it begins to assume a more human form.

While Lowell provides a distraction out front, David and Lucather sneak into the lab. After Lucather and David spy on Lanier's regeneration, all three are caught; but the guys manage to trap the ones holding them at gunpoint on the wrong side of a pair of doors and start to bust up the lab. When the brainwashed Harrison raises a gun and is ordered to shoot the intruders, he uses the firearm on Grayson instead, causing him to disintegrate. The operation by this point going haywire, Lanier decomposes into multiple pieces in the tank, the sight of which horrifies Selene. The lab starts to go up as the heroes escape.

In the Epilog, Lowell is hospitalized for trauma, while Harrison is back to normal and remembers nothing. Lucather questions why David doesn't want to go to the FBI with what they have, but David handwaves it away to maintain the series premise. Lucather contents himself with having found and dealt with Hal's killer, and they walk off together for a cup of Joe.

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One cup of coffee, a few stolen minutes: a last, small gesture of defiance from a crusader who fought and won the crusade and knows he can never claim a victory.

IMDb photos 3-6 and 10 show various stages of Lanier in the tank. 3 is of the decomposition.

This episode was the victim of unusually rough and choppy syndication editing, such that some sequences didn't make sense. Even the closing narration was partly affected...I got the full version from IMDb. There were a few surviving mentions of Lucather having been some sort of crusader, and an implication that Corman was relegated to patrol bike duty because he was an ally of Lucather's. As this thread seemed conspicuously undeveloped, I suspect that for whatever reason, the edits were chopping out dialogue concerning it.



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I've learned that Suzanne Pleshette will be returning in another role late in Season 2.

Welcome to my world. :rommie:
Which is introduced with a Serling narration.

You'd probably want to go for height rather than speed. :rommie:
I'm thinking that the Joker wouldn't be a thrower, he'd just be there to spoil the contest.
 
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Tony and Doug are initially separated while landing in a fake wood.
So far they've always appeared at the same instant, even if separated. I wonder if there's ever an instance where they appear in different times-- I also wonder what the max separation is.

Colonel Southall, aka "The Butcher," he tells them to stifle, promising a speedy trial that will end with them being shot as spies.
Heh. Too bad the story wasn't about the Battle of Bunker Hill. :rommie:

In 1968, Gen. Kirk's invited a colleague out from the British Embassy who has a particular interest in the War of 1812--General Phillip Southall, the colonel's descendant
"Hello, British Embassy? Can I speak to Phil? Oh, hi, Phil. Listen, I'm part of a super Top Secret government project involving ridiculously advanced time travel technology and we're having a glitch that relates to your interest in your family's geneology. Wanna come over?"

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The fact that he's mimicking his ancestor's facial hair is either a nice, subtle touch indicating his obsession or laziness on the part of the show. :rommie:

the colonel produces papers found on the guys' clothing that indicates they're Jackson's men.
Always check the pockets of your stolen buckskins!

Tony takes out a couple of sentries, relieving one of his musket, and frees Hotchkiss
Why, Tony?

Southall tries again to get information from Doug, then orders his execution.
These guys are constantly ordering executions that never happen. I'm starting to not take them seriously.

After Southall goes through the Pentagon to get permission, the decision comes back down to Kirk.
Things happen quickly on this show!

his final method of persuasion is the revelation that he's terminally ill, making this a dying request from a familyless man who has nothing to lose by being stranded in the past.
An odd, random twist that is still somewhat sad.

Interesting that Southall is the only other one to be seen in the vortex. Must have been too expensive. I can't remember what it was like when Ann time travelled.

The general floats down like a bag of feathers right next to Doug
A British officer would not suffer the indignity of rolling to the ground and the time vortex knows it.

Hotchkiss falls into the obligatory pool of quicksand
Irwin Allen shows are like SHAZAM after a three-martini lunch.

Hotchkiss announces his intent to go through with the execution of Tony.
Dude, just go home. You're embarrassing yourself.

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Which one, Meathead, which one!?!
"You're in my chair."

Doug expresses concern for the unknown 20th-century British officer who saved his life.
And possibly some curiosity? :rommie:

The TT crew realize that General Southall's dying when their readings indicate that he's losing radiation--How does that work?
They have detected his soul arising unto Heaven. :angel: I wonder if his remains will keep randomly jumping through time now.

the guys find Gen. Southall, whose dying request is for them to testify on his behalf that his ancestor was not a butcher, he marched into slaughter in error.
"He was not a butcher, just a... dingbat... uhhhh...."

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What? They just magically transformed right before our eyes in anticipation of the leap? That's very blatant. This has implications. :rommie:

a Woodie with a headlight out.
So if Dr Lowell was better at car maintenance, none of this would have happened.

It turns out to be something alien but off camera that emits a pulsing glow and evokes a horrified reaction from Corman.
"Arrgh... flashing light... no trigger warning....."

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Gotta say, that shot of the Moon reminds me of MST3K. :rommie:

a background check at HQ turns up that he's an alien conspiracy cook
Interesting. He's got a well-established public reputation at this point.

a call from Grayson alerts him that after talking to David, she's insisted on letting him see her husband at the psychiatric hospital.
You'd think Grayson just would have lied to keep Vincent out.

The alien tries to flee while exchanging shots and takes a bullet, causing Lucather to witness the resulting disintegration.
"See? I toldja so."

the Newport Sea Lab
Interesting. This is the second episode in a row with a reference to oceanography.

She also shows Lucather and Vincent what they've been experimenting on--an organism in a tank that she says is created life, an attempt at recreating the conditions under which life developed on Earth.
Which would have been a single-celled anaeobic organism, but an interesting twist nonetheless.

We see Dr. Grayson calling the shots at the sea lab, learning that he's one of them
Does the pinky thing ever come up at all?

exerting influence over Dr. Harrison via a handheld device that looks like a pair of spinning crystals.
Ah, yes, crystals. Crystals are big in flying saucer folklore.

The invaders need the knowledge of Lanier and his top staff to further their goals
This is very strange. Why would they need knowledge of abiogenesis to invade Earth? And why wouldn't they already have more knowledge than backward Earthlings?

David starts to fill her in on the alien invasion angle.
How did she take that? :rommie:

At the lab, Harrison opens the faceplate of a seemingly empty diving suit seen dangling in a tank in previous scenes and addresses its unseen occupant as Dr. Lanier. Something smaller than human is subsequently carried out on a litter and put into a tank.
Okay, that's nicely creepy. :rommie:

David deduces that Lanier was being taken to the regeneration station because he was having trouble maintaining human form
This happens as you get older. It's nothing to be embarrassed about. Well, actually, it is, but what can you do? :rommie:

that it was he that Corman saw in the back of the wagon
The idea that the sight of the aliens can drive a person to madness is kind of Lovecraftian.

they are desperate to get him well for a planned meeting that's been established.
This is kind of hilarious when you think of it. "Can we reschedule for the afternoon? Mister Lanier has a doctor's appointment in the am."

(David mentions knowing that when regeneration fails, aliens die and burn up, though I don't recall this being directly established in prior episodes.)
There must be Untold Tales. I'm sure there must have been a Gold Key comic, at least. There was always a Gold Key comic.

Lucather and David spy on Lanier's regeneration
Without going mad. I guess they didn't get a very good look.

When the brainwashed Harrison raises a gun and is ordered to shoot the intruders, he uses the firearm on Grayson instead
Harrison turns out to be a strong-willed character.

Lanier decomposes into multiple pieces in the tank, the sight of which horrifies Selene.
But doesn't drive her mad. That must only happen when you see an intact alien.

Lowell is hospitalized for trauma, while Harrison is back to normal and remembers nothing.
Lowell must remember, but we'll never see her again.

Lucather questions why David doesn't want to go to the FBI with what they have, but David handwaves it away to maintain the series premise.
"I'm diggin' this weekly paycheck."

Lucather contents himself with having found and dealt with Hal's killer, and they walk off together for a cup of Joe.
"I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship."
"You are so very wrong."

IMDb photos 3-6 and 10 show various stages of Lanier in the tank. 3 is of the decomposition.
Tantalizing! :rommie: Their true form seems to be kind of cylindrical, in addition to being smaller than human. The abiogenesis plot element didn't seem to fit in with the main plot at all, yet there's also a resemblance between the artificial life form and the alien's true form. I wonder if the idea is that they want to adapt themselves to living in Earth's ecology without changing their bodies.

As this thread seemed conspicuously undeveloped, I suspect that for whatever reason, the edits were chopping out dialogue concerning it.
It's all part of the cover up.

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Those rocks see a lot of action, man.

I've learned that Suzanne Pleshette will be returning in another role late in Season 2.
She had a nice little career in adventure shows before turning to comedy. I wonder what would have happened if Bob Newhart hadn't come along.

Which is introduced with a Serling narration.
I'm generally followed around by either the Twilight Zone theme or the James Bond theme, depending on the mood I'm in. :rommie:

I'm thinking that the Joker wouldn't be a thrower, he'd just be there to spoil the contest.
He'd sabotage the stones so they stick in the gelatin.
 
Heh. Too bad the story wasn't about the Battle of Bunker Hill. :rommie:
Ah, yes...a reference I'd forgotten to make.

"Hello, British Embassy? Can I speak to Phil? Oh, hi, Phil. Listen, I'm part of a super Top Secret government project involving ridiculously advanced time travel technology and we're having a glitch that relates to your interest in your family's geneology. Wanna come over?"
They were old friends...Southall called Kirk "Woody".

The fact that he's mimicking his ancestor's facial hair is either a nice, subtle touch indicating his obsession or laziness on the part of the show. :rommie:
I think that O'Connor was just wearing a beard in those days. He was also sporting one when he appeared as an opera singer on...
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These guys are constantly ordering executions that never happen. I'm starting to not take them seriously.
FWIW, it played like one, delayed order of execution.

An odd, random twist that is still somewhat sad.
It had been vaguely set up with an earlier line. Something about him being on a "terminal" leave or somesuch.

Irwin Allen shows are like SHAZAM after a three-martini lunch.
:D

Dude, just go home. You're embarrassing yourself.
:lol:

And possibly some curiosity? :rommie:
Maybe a little.

They have detected his soul arising unto Heaven. :angel: I wonder if his remains will keep randomly jumping through time now.
Nah, they couldn't lock onto him because of the loss of radiation. The only way I can think that he'd lose his radiation upon death would be if it was in his blood....

"He was not a butcher, just a... dingbat... uhhhh...."
:D

What? They just magically transformed right before our eyes in anticipation of the leap? That's very blatant. This has implications. :rommie:
They'd popped back to their clothes immediately prior to the leap before, but they were in spacesuits, so it was easy to imagine that they were wearing their regular clothes underneath.

So if Dr Lowell was better at car maintenance, none of this would have happened.
Pretty much. While in character as a human, Gibbs was incredulous that he got stopped for that when he was being careful to drive "like an old lady".

Interesting. He's got a well-established public reputation at this point.
Think of the social media following he'd have today!

You'd think Grayson just would have lied to keep Vincent out.
What would he have said? Mrs. Corman was threatening to pull her husband out. Who was, by the way, killed by Grayson, it was surmised later in the episode.

Interesting. This is the second episode in a row with a reference to oceanography.
70% water; it's the blue in our marble.

Does the pinky thing ever come up at all?
Photo 1 in that set was the closing shot as Vincent and Lucather were getting on the elevator. But story-wise, not in this one.

Ah, yes, crystals. Crystals are big in flying saucer folklore.
I've read that this will be another recurring alien device.

This is very strange. Why would they need knowledge of abiogenesis to invade Earth? And why wouldn't they already have more knowledge than backward Earthlings?
Earth might be more advanced in some areas; and if their world is dying, they might have limited resources.

How did she take that? :rommie:
It got a reaction of disbelief but didn't really break her stride.

This happens as you get older. It's nothing to be embarrassed about. Well, actually, it is, but what can you do? :rommie:
:D

Without going mad. I guess they didn't get a very good look.
Their view was obscured by the water and lighting, as seen in the photos.

Harrison turns out to be a strong-willed character.
It was kinda like Terrell phasering himself.

But doesn't drive her mad. That must only happen when you see an intact alien.
She was hospitalized for trauma.

Lowell must remember, but we'll never see her again.
She might not, between the trauma and the implication that they were still active where she was recovering.

"I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship."
"You are so very wrong."
:lol:

Tantalizing! :rommie: Their true form seems to be kind of cylindrical, in addition to being smaller than human. The abiogenesis plot element didn't seem to fit in with the main plot at all, yet there's also a resemblance between the artificial life form and the alien's true form. I wonder if the idea is that they want to adapt themselves to living in Earth's ecology without changing their bodies.
Could be.

She had a nice little career in adventure shows before turning to comedy.
And dramas, as I recall.

I'm generally followed around by either the Twilight Zone theme or the James Bond theme, depending on the mood I'm in. :rommie:
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They were old friends...Southall called Kirk "Woody".
I know, but he gave him access to the Toppest Secret project of all time, and seemingly within a matter of minutes.

I think that O'Connor was just wearing a beard in those days. He was also sporting one when he appeared as an opera singer on...
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Ah, that explains that. It does look like they groomed him a bit to look more 1812-ish.

It had been vaguely set up with an earlier line. Something about him being on a "terminal" leave or somesuch.
And it does explain why he happened to be in America-- making the rounds of old friends.

Nah, they couldn't lock onto him because of the loss of radiation. The only way I can think that he'd lose his radiation upon death would be if it was in his blood....
I wonder if Kirk was ever able to track down his grave. That would have made a nice little epilogue.

They'd popped back to their clothes immediately prior to the leap before, but they were in spacesuits, so it was easy to imagine that they were wearing their regular clothes underneath.
Interesting. So there's a moment of reset before they enter the vortex-- I wonder what would happen if something changed in that instant between reset and vortex.

Pretty much. While in character as a human, Gibbs was incredulous that he got stopped for that when he was being careful to drive "like an old lady".
:rommie:

Think of the social media following he'd have today!
Yeah, and the Space Invaders would probably have an even bigger following. In fact, they wouldn't even have to create human duplicates. They could just create a legion of online sock puppets to foster manufactured conflicts between different factions of society, thereby leaving us ripe for... uh oh...

What would he have said? Mrs. Corman was threatening to pull her husband out. Who was, by the way, killed by Grayson, it was surmised later in the episode.
Actually, he could have just neglected to pass on the message that Mrs Corman okayed Vincent's visit.

70% water; it's the blue in our marble.
Yeah, but we're land dwellers, so how does oceanography fit into their plans?

Earth might be more advanced in some areas; and if their world is dying, they might have limited resources.
That's true.

It got a reaction of disbelief but didn't really break her stride.
She's probably had dates with worse red flags.

Their view was obscured by the water and lighting, as seen in the photos.
Right, true.

It was kinda like Terrell phasering himself.
Definitely a heroic moment.

She was hospitalized for trauma.
But it didn't seem as bad. The other guy had a cerebral hemorrhage. Oh, but you said it was later implied that Grayson killed him, so maybe not.

And dramas, as I recall.
Yes, actually, I remember seeing her in a Route 66 a while back.
 
I know, but he gave him access to the Toppest Secret project of all time, and seemingly within a matter of minutes.
He probably had high-level clearance, that he was able to get a Pentagon superior of Woody's on the phone promptly. He may have even already been in the know about the project.

I wonder if Kirk was ever able to track down his grave. That would have made a nice little epilogue.
He probably would have been buried anonymously, as nobody at the time would have known who he was.

Yeah, and the Space Invaders would probably have an even bigger following. In fact, they wouldn't even have to create human duplicates. They could just create a legion of online sock puppets to foster manufactured conflicts between different factions of society, thereby leaving us ripe for... uh oh...
:shifty:

Actually, he could have just neglected to pass on the message that Mrs Corman okayed Vincent's visit.
As I recall, she was right there with him.

Yeah, but we're land dwellers, so how does oceanography fit into their plans?
They could be more aquatic than we...or conversely, they may be from a planet with relatively little water, so they have to learn more about living in a water-dominated environment.

Yes, actually, I remember seeing her in a Route 66 a while back.
That's what I vaguely remembered. Looks like among other credits, she also did some Naked City, Alfred Hitchcock, and The Fugitive. Among our shows, it seems we would have caught her in an Ironside a few years back.
 
I noticed some changes to the MeTV schedule yesterday when I was at my Mother's house. Probably not much of interest, but The Life and Times of Grizzly Adams has been added to early Sunday, followed by a Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom marathon (I might want to watch a couple of those for a heavy dose of nostalgia). Also, The Honeymooners is now on the weeknight schedule. I'm not sure how long this has been going on.

He probably had high-level clearance, that he was able to get a Pentagon superior of Woody's on the phone promptly. He may have even already been in the know about the project.
All possible things, but it just seems pretty unlikely. Which, I suppose, is a silly criticism of an Irwin Allen show. :rommie:

He probably would have been buried anonymously, as nobody at the time would have known who he was.
Yeah, but he was a dead ringer for The Butcher-- and dressed in weird clothing to boot. I was thinking that a weird bit of obscure folklore suddenly appeared in history books about this inexplicable and confounding mystery. Eventually, YouTube videos starring Simon Whistler would be made about it. :rommie:

As I recall, she was right there with him.
Oh, okay, I thought he was delivering a message.

They could be more aquatic than we...or conversely, they may be from a planet with relatively little water, so they have to learn more about living in a water-dominated environment.
That's a good point about them being more aquatic. The fact that they're submerged in a liquid environment for regeneration would support it. The little guy being inside the diving suit might, too-- maybe it was filled with liquid in a reverse of its normal purpose.

That's what I vaguely remembered. Looks like among other credits, she also did some Naked City, Alfred Hitchcock, and The Fugitive. Among our shows, it seems we would have caught her in an Ironside a few years back.
I had to have seen her in Alfred Hitchcock, because I've seen them all. Not sure about The Fugitive, because I can't remember if I've seen anything besides the premiere and the finale. Naked City rings a bell. I think she played a juvenile delinquent or a prostitute or something. She was good at playing tough.
 
50th Anniversary Midnight Special
July 11, 1975
Hosted by Flip Wilson

"Deuce," Kiss
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I noticed some changes to the MeTV schedule yesterday when I was at my Mother's house. Probably not much of interest, but The Life and Times of Grizzly Adams has been added to early Sunday, followed by a Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom marathon (I might want to watch a couple of those for a heavy dose of nostalgia). Also, The Honeymooners is now on the weeknight schedule. I'm not sure how long this has been going on.
I caught that they were playing Wild Kingdom, but didn't know about Grizzly Adams. I know that they recently added Adventures of Superman in Kolchak's old slot; and moved up the weeknight Twilight Zone, putting Dragnet in its old slot.

Yeah, but he was a dead ringer for The Butcher-- and dressed in weird clothing to boot. I was thinking that a weird bit of obscure folklore suddenly appeared in history books about this inexplicable and confounding mystery. Eventually, YouTube videos starring Simon Whistler would be made about it. :rommie:
That's assuming that he wasn't just part of a mass burial or something.

Oh, okay, I thought he was delivering a message.
He called Lucather, I think, to try to put a stop to it; David and Mrs. C were already there.

That's a good point about them being more aquatic. The fact that they're submerged in a liquid environment for regeneration would support it. The little guy being inside the diving suit might, too-- maybe it was filled with liquid in a reverse of its normal purpose.
Except that they normally use those tubes for regeneration. Here the tank may have been used in emulation of the abiogenesis experiments.
 
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