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A solid dating reference.
Better than a bathroom wall? The next episode takes place during the 1956 election. Do they remember Chuck when the show goes backward in time? Or is he the cause of this...?

Including Joanie, or is she off on another sleepover?
Including Joanie.

A popular character actor who always played burglars or bookies or whatever, if I'm picturing the right guy.
Probably.

Which means he must have some connection to one of the Cunninghams. Maybe that's why Joanie isn't around. He got all the information out of her that he could and then killed her and buried her behind the screen at the Drive-In.
Or maybe he's got Chuck....

Probably weren't allowed to show a gun on a family sitcom.
Never show 'em your can opener.

He's almost gone. The spatial interphase is closing.
He's being pumped for sporting event results because he's been skipping around the space/time continuum.

Underarm spray and a cigarette lighter, Pots. That's all you need.
The flaming burglar goes running out through a second-story window, falling into Joanie's wading pool.

"And who's Chuck?"
Doo doo doo doo, doo doo doo doo...

"Doc... oh, Doc...." That's all Warren Stevens gets? This week's special guest victim?
Pretty much.

Hasn't he been wondering why his friend never showed up?
He had been. It was kind of a leap that he took interest in the first unidentified body case.

I assume he tried to fence them or something.
Yep.

One of the Chief's patented Great Leaps of Logic. :rommie:
In that case, more like Robbins being too slow to figure out what he heard for himself, in an effort to make the Chief look smart.

Did he actually break any laws?
Good question. Maybe trouble with the Bar or something.

"Ontario is beautiful this time of year."
"I'm thinking of heading up there soon myself."

Yeah, that was cool. And she obviously would have defended Robbins even if he was guilty.
Scene 1: I'm defending him.
Scene 2: No, you're not.

And there's your political reference for the week.

Isn't that a redundancy? :rommie:
How so?

Archie's really getting to show off his mettle in this one.
Thought you'd like it. This and the previous episode really show how despite the surface inequities of their relationship, he really loves Edith, appreciates her, and is loyal to her. I was seeing more of the kinder, gentler Archie's Bunker's Place Archie in this one.

Aww, what a sweetie. Kinda makes me wonder what somebody would think of him if they only saw this episode.
They'd cancel him for the Hawaiian shirt comment alone.

You might be thinking of somebody else.
Ah, so I was...Madeline Kahn. I think I always got those two mixed up.
 
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Better than a bathroom wall? The next episode takes place during the 1956 election. Do they remember Chuck when the show goes backward in time? Or is he the cause of this...?
Sam Beckett is frantically leaping back and forth between all of them, frantically trying to set right what once went wrong, but he just keeps making it worse! :rommie:

Probably.
Yep, just Googled, it's him.

Or maybe he's got Chuck....
"Come on, Chuck, talk to me. You don't want me to use the can opener again, do you?"

He's being pumped for sporting event results because he's been skipping around the space/time continuum.
"Hello, Cunningham, hello! Anybody home?"

The flaming burglar goes running out through a second-story window, falling into Joanie's wading pool.
Oh, best Happy Days ever! :rommie:

Doo doo doo doo, doo doo doo doo...
:mallory:

Pretty much.
That's kinda sad. You'd think his stock would be higher than that.

He had been. It was kind of a leap that he took interest in the first unidentified body case.
The Chief's got a Black Box.

In that case, more like Robbins being too slow to figure out what he heard for himself, in an effort to make the Chief look smart.
Well, he was probably drunk and almost certainly didn't care.

Good question. Maybe trouble with the Bar or something.
Yeah, I was thinking that. But it seems like she wasn't even officially his client, since he threatened to feign ignorance, so I have no idea how that would work.

Scene 1: I'm defending him.
Scene 2: No, you're not.
That would be a great plot for the Diana character-- mixing up some internal conflict and conflict with Team Ironside.

And there's your political reference for the week.
Yeah, that was kind of a message.

Well, sex and fever... hey, who's the old man here? :rommie:

Thought you'd like it. This and the previous episode really show how despite the surface inequities of their relationship, he really loves Edith, appreciates her, and is loyal to her. I was seeing more of the kinder, gentler Archie's Bunker's Place Archie in this one.
Did you ever see the episode where Edith dies? That was a heartbreaker.

They'd cancel him for the Hawaiian shirt comment alone.
Yeah, the same people who think that "queer" is okay. :rommie:

Ah, so I was...Madeline Kahn. I think I always got those two mixed up.
Oh, yeah, she's cool.
 


Post-50th Anniversary Viewing



Happy Days
"The Not Making of a President"
Originally aired January 28, 1975
Paramount+ said:
Election time becomes complicated for Richie when he gets a crush on a girl campaigning for Adlai Stevenson. His dad's an avid Ike booster.

The premise places this week's episode squarely in 1956 (roughly contemporaneous with the sixth season of M*A*S*H).

Richie's skeptical about Potsie and Ralph manning a Stevenson campaign booth outside of Arnold's as a way to pick up chicks; but also working the booth is a girl he's trying to get to go out with him, Debbie Hauser (Stephanie Steele), whom he learns is president of the Junior Democrats for Stevenson...so Richie expresses an interest. At home, Richie talks to his father, who's very serious about the family's tradition of voting Republican, and Eisenhower in particular, going back to when Ike hosted Thanksgiving for the GIs, which included him. Richie nevertheless finds himself volunteering for the Stevenson booth.

Ralph: If Debbie Hauser had shown up in a bikini, she could have converted me to socialism.​

The downside is that all Debbie wants to talk about is Stevenson, and Richie's homework on the candidate just causes her to recruit him to give a rally speech outside of Arnold's.

Howard, who's annoyed by young Stevenson supporters plastering his car (and sometimes back) with bumper stickers, learns of Richie's choice and is outraged that his son's going against the family party, which he associates with peace and prosperity, in contrast to the warmongering Democrats. As they argue politics, it becomes a matter of principal for Richie that he should be free to make his own choice. Chastised by Marion for his narrow-mindedness, Howard reluctantly attends the rally, and finds himself defending his son against a pro-Ike heckler; while his Republican pride deflates somewhat when the Ike-supporting speaker turns out to be Fonzie. Fonzie nevertheless manages to attract most of the crowd--including Potsie and Ralph--over to the Ike booth for free food and drinks.

At Junior Democrat HQ on election night, Debbie's so devastated that she declares she can't date Richie, as it would painfully remind her of Stevenson's loss. Fonzie drops in because he figures that the chicks there need him more; while Howard visits to console Richie, whom he declares has become a man.

Howard: Well, I wouldn't worry, there'll be other Debbies.​
Richie: I hope not.​

Back at home in the coda, Howard learns that Marion voted for Adlai.

It just occurred to me while watching this one that Howard would have already been married with at least two of the kids when he served. Whether Joanie was born during or after the war would depend on the season taking place at a specific point in the '50s, which it clearly doesn't; and whether Joanie's supposed to be 12 at this point regardless of what year the episode takes place in.

Could Chuck have gone to serve in Korea, thus causing M*A*S*H's time loop?



Ironside
"The Organizer"
Didn't air January 30, 1975
IMDb said:
A mobster from New York arrives in California offering to organize local gangsters for a piece of their action. Ironside's team goes undercover to stop him.

Harry Blocker (Pernell Roberts) arrives at his hotel somewhere that's flying distance from Frisco, accompanied by his lawyer, James Raskin (Harry Townes), and a henchman named Lacey (Todd Martin), and is outraged to learn that the presidential suite isn't available. He goes up to see the current occupant--the Chief, who's undercover as Ben Woodward (apparently in livestock, as he repeatedly mentions stockyards), with Fran posing as his daughter. (Granted the baddies are from out of town, but it always stretches credibility when the Chief goes undercover.) "Woodward" offers to flip over the suite, with Blocker losing and relenting when he sees that the Woodward isn't easily bullied.

Lt. Reese (Johnny Seven returns in the show's 13th hour!) picks up a couple of underworld types named Joey Martinique (Mitch Davis) and Jack Dubin (Steve Marlo) so that Mark and Ed can pose as them to attend a meeting in Blocker's suite, where he makes his proposition. Ed and Mark not being recognized by a room full of local talent is promptly handwaved away. Reese has trouble keeping his two real McCoys on ice, having to move them around to avoid lawyers. When Sheriff Harrison (Jim Chandler) comes to the hotel to keep the manager, Mr. Rainey (Jack Manning), from blowing things by having the hoodlums kicked out, the Chief has to show his badge and let the manager in on the operation.

When Blocker has the individual hoodlums called in to discuss their arrangements, Ed holds out, while mentioning that he's been invited to a poker game by Woodward, which Blocker is motivated to attend, along with Raskin and Mark. The Chief determines that his quarry can be bluffed when he motivates Blocker into folding with a straight, then angers him by showing off his own worthless hand. The manager calls to tip off Ironside about a woman (Barbara Rhoades) arriving for an adjoining room that the real Jack Dubin had reserved, so Fran rushes down to intercept her by pretending to be a woman Jack's already got staying with him.

Ed continues to anger Blocker by stalling him for an unacceptably high percentage. Then "Martinique" holds out for whatever Dubin's getting. Raskin talks Blocker out of taking violent action, so Blocker sends Lacey on a flight to Frisco to dig up dirt on Dubin and Martinique that can be used to turn them on each other. This alarms the team, who further get a call from Reese that the lawyers have caught up with his prisoners, which moves up their timetable to a handful of hours. Rainey subsequently notifies them that Blocker's been getting multiple calls from Frisco. Raskin sees Ed to try to negotiate a more reasonable percentage; while Blocker offers his support in helping Not Martinique take over Dubin's organization.

Blocker watches from his window as Mark makes a show of stabbing Ed and dumping him in the concrete-enclosed, chlorine-treated drink. When the "body" is found with accompanying commotion, and Mark returns, Raskin is outraged and tries to call a higher party in New York, only for Blocker to push him so that he receives a fatal head injury. The state police arrive and take him into custody.

In a coda poker game at the Cave, the Chief expresses his regret that their operation against Blocker went in an unexpected direction...while winning sans bluffing with four kings. Also in the 13th hour, the Frndly recording isn't cutting off the ending anymore.

I think it's reasonable to speculate that the name of Roberts's character was an homage to a deceased former co-star, whether it was on the part of him or the writers.



"Come on, Chuck, talk to me. You don't want me to use the can opener again, do you?"
:devil:

Oh, best Happy Days ever! :rommie:
:D

The Chief's got a Black Box.
Beg pardon?

Well, he was probably drunk and almost certainly didn't care.
He earnestly described the click-clacking sound he heard coming and going, but couldn't figure it out.

That would be a great plot for the Diana character-- mixing up some internal conflict and conflict with Team Ironside.
She was cooperating with them for the short time she had Robbins as a client.

Well, sex and fever... hey, who's the old man here? :rommie:
But sex is being used as an adjective. It's a specific type of fever, and it doesn't make sense to say somebody has "the sex" instead of "the sex fever," or "a sex" instead "a sex drive".

Did you ever see the episode where Edith dies? That was a heartbreaker.
I recall them opening the season with her already having died, and Archie still coping with it; specifically him having a poignant talk with her side of the bed.
 
The premise places this week's episode squarely in 1956 (roughly contemporaneous with the sixth season of M*A*S*H).
It seems like they must be consciously setting the show in a "50s Bubble."

Richie's skeptical about Potsie and Ralph manning a Stevenson campaign booth outside of Arnold's as a way to pick up chicks
Wait'll the 60s roll around, Rich. :rommie:

Ralph: If Debbie Hauser had shown up in a bikini, she could have converted me to socialism.
Again we foreshadow the 60s. :rommie:

Howard, who's annoyed by young Stevenson supporters plastering his car (and sometimes back) with bumper stickers, learns of Richie's choice and is outraged that his son's going against the family party, which he associates with peace and prosperity, in contrast to the warmongering Democrats.
I imagine this must have provoked a few family discussions. A lot of people probably missed the rest of the episode. :rommie:

As they argue politics, it becomes a matter of principal for Richie that he should be free to make his own choice. Chastised by Marion for his narrow-mindedness, Howard reluctantly attends the rally, and finds himself defending his son against a pro-Ike heckler
All In The Family: The Prequel.

his Republican pride deflates somewhat when the Ike-supporting speaker turns out to be Fonzie.
Now this is weird. I don't see Fonzie having any interest in politics at all, let alone supporting the party that sees people like him as a social problem.

Fonzie drops in because he figures that the chicks there need him more
That's more like it. :rommie:

Howard: Well, I wouldn't worry, there'll be other Debbies.
Richie: I hope not.
:rommie:

Back at home in the coda, Howard learns that Marion voted for Adlai.
"You little dingbat!"

It just occurred to me while watching this one that Howard would have already been married with at least two of the kids when he served. Whether Joanie was born during or after the war would depend on the season taking place at a specific point in the '50s, which it clearly doesn't; and whether Joanie's supposed to be 12 at this point regardless of what year the episode takes place in.
Well, based on this episode, she must have been born in 1944, although we don't know what years Howard actually served. But I did always think that she looked very different from either Howard or Richie. Have we ever met the milkman?

Could Chuck have gone to serve in Korea, thus causing M*A*S*H's time loop?
Hmm. Is that possible? It's hard to tell the way the years jump around, but it seems like he'd be too young. It seems like he must have been born around 1936. And Richie must have been born around 1940. And now I'm wondering if Howard would even have been drafted, being a young man with two kids.

Harry Blocker (Pernell Roberts)
Post time-loop Trapper John.

(Granted the baddies are from out of town, but it always stretches credibility when the Chief goes undercover.)
Yeah, since he's been portrayed as a TV talking head in the past.

Lt. Reese (Johnny Seven returns in the show's 13th hour!) picks up a couple of underworld types named Joey Martinique (Mitch Davis) and Jack Dubin (Steve Marlo) so that Mark and Ed can pose as them
I hope they have some outstanding warrants or something. :rommie:

a meeting in Blocker's suite, where he makes his proposition.
What is he proposing?

Ed and Mark not being recognized by a room full of local talent is promptly handwaved away.
Typical of a detective show, at least back then. It was especially amusing on Charlie's Angels when they would not only go "undercover," but use their real names. :rommie:

Reese has trouble keeping his two real McCoys on ice, having to move them around to avoid lawyers.
Oh, this is so dubious. :rommie:

he's been invited to a poker game by Woodward, which Blocker is motivated to attend, along with Raskin and Mark. The Chief determines that his quarry can be bluffed when he motivates Blocker into folding with a straight, then angers him by showing off his own worthless hand.
I have no idea what the plan is. :rommie:

a woman (Barbara Rhoades)
Popular character actor of the era.

Fran rushes down to intercept her by pretending to be a woman Jack's already got staying with him.
Seems like Barbara Rhodes got treated as badly this week as Warren Stevens did last week.

Raskin is outraged and tries to call a higher party in New York, only for Blocker to push him so that he receives a fatal head injury.
Holy crap. So they set up some elaborate entrapment scheme that resulted in the death of a suspect's lawyer? No wonder the show ended. The characters were too busy dealing with the investigation to have any adventures. :rommie:

the Chief expresses his regret that their operation against Blocker went in an unexpected direction...
Well, yeah.

Also in the 13th hour, the Frndly recording isn't cutting off the ending anymore.
Too late, Frndly. :(

I think it's reasonable to speculate that the name of Roberts's character was an homage to a deceased former co-star, whether it was on the part of him or the writers.
Yeah, that seems likely. Nice touch.

Beg pardon?
That's when somebody has the ability to always make the right decision or deduction, sometimes in certain specific areas, without knowing how they do it. Somehow their subconscious crunches what seems like insufficient information and comes up with the right answer. I think I first heard it used by Asimov in relation to his character Golan Trevize.

He earnestly described the click-clacking sound he heard coming and going, but couldn't figure it out.
Yeah, that does sound pretty obvious.

She was cooperating with them for the short time she had Robbins as a client.
I don't mean this particular episode, just an interesting character conflict that they could have used.

But sex is being used as an adjective. It's a specific type of fever, and it doesn't make sense to say somebody has "the sex" instead of "the sex fever," or "a sex" instead "a sex drive".
Okay, okay. :rommie:

I recall them opening the season with her already having died, and Archie still coping with it; specifically him having a poignant talk with her side of the bed.
That's exactly what I was thinking of, the scene where he found her slipper. Great scene, and hard to watch.
 
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