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The Classic/Retro Pop Culture Thread

I remember enjoying Something Is Out There. It was sort of a Night Stalker-ish monster of the week show, with the lurking threat of an alien xenomorph in the background. I think it lasted half a season or so.
Wikipedia says it lasted only 9 episodes (two unaired). The premise seems intriguing...
I never saw Probe, but I vaguely remember it. I think they claimed to be created by Asimov, but that was probably exaggerated.
It's not impossible. He often said that he ever wanted to do good sci-fi tv. The problem is that most of his ideas didn't translate well on the screen...
 
And the tackiest of them all was...

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In good conscience, the only good things that I can recommend are some episodes of the 80s version of The Twilight Zone. And perhaps Max Headroom.

Max Headroom was one of the few really good '80s SF shows, yes. Twilight Zone was fairly good, but I didn't enjoy it as much as the original. Oh, and the original V miniseries was excellent, and even more relevant now than it was at the time, although the rest of V was mediocre to terrible.

Another good one was Starman, the sequel to the Jeff Bridges/Karen Allen movie, with Robert Hays playing the new form of Starman, who'd returned to find his now-teenaged son (Christopher Daniel Barnes). It was basically a Fugitive/Incredible Hulk-style man-on-the-run series, but very smart and heartfelt and well-done. (Although it was a slightly retconned sequel, bumping the events of the movie back from the '80s to the '70s so that Starman could have a teenage son in the present.)

And of course SFTV took a major upturn in quality in 1989. In addition to TNG's breakout third season, we had two really good new shows that year, Alien Nation and Quantum Leap. Alien Nation was a particular favorite of mine, the best SF-as-social-commentary show since Star Trek (though Max Headroom had some pretty biting social satire).


ETA: It's fun how people, in hindsight, say how bad was the first season of TNG. You don't know how incredibly bad was almost everything before that.

Yes, exactly. People wonder why fans tolerated the "awful" first two seasons of TNG, but they were really good compared to what generally passed for SFTV at the time. They probably helped to usher in the era of smarter, more sophisticated SFTV that followed.


ETA 2: Reading that list, there are series that I never heard in my life. Probe? Something Is Out There?

I remember both of those. Probe wasn't bad, an attempt at a smart, science-based show. In retrospect, it was a bit reminiscent of season-1 Elementary, with a supersmart, antisocial lead character (Parker Stevenson) with a female partner (Ashley Crow) who drew him out of his shell and helped him engage with the world. It actually has a TNG connection -- not long after Probe was cancelled, its co-creator Michael Wagner briefly took over as TNG's showrunner at the start of season 3 before handing the job off to Michael Piller, who had worked with him on Probe.

Something Is Out There was a pretty cheesy NBC show that started as a miniseries before briefly becoming a weekly series. It was your basic "human cop partners with alien to hunt escaped aliens and/or fight Earthly crime" premise, and memorable mainly for starring Maryam d'Abo as the sexy alien (who, of course, came from a planet with no nudity taboo, as sexy female aliens generally do).
 
Max Headroom was one of the few really good '80s SF shows, yes. Twilight Zone was fairly good, but I didn't enjoy it as much as the original.
Some episodes are truly little jems. Considering that I watched only few episodes of the original series, perhaps this is reason that I fondly remember the 80's show.
Oh, and the original V miniseries was excellent, and even more relevant now than it was at the time, although the rest of V was mediocre to terrible.
I'm on the fence if suggesting this to someone that never saw it. It has the same problem of many classics: it can pale in comparison with its successors (like Colony. There are real good episodes in this season).

Another good one was Starman, the sequel to the Jeff Bridges/Karen Allen movie, with Robert Hays playing the new form of Starman, who'd returned to find his now-teenaged son (Christopher Daniel Barnes). It was basically a Fugitive/Incredible Hulk-style man-on-the-run series, but very smart and heartfelt and well-done. (Although it was a slightly retconned sequel, bumping the events of the movie back from the '80s to the '70s so that Starman could have a teenage son in the present.)
Saw some episodes, never got my attention. I don't know why. :shrug:
It was your basic "human cop partners with alien to hunt escaped aliens and/or fight Earthly crime" premise, and memorable mainly for starring Maryam d'Abo as the sexy alien (who, of course, came from a planet with no nudity taboo, as sexy female aliens generally do).
Ah, Earth and its backward ways... :biggrin:
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Didn't watch much TV at all in the mid-to-late-80s, but yeah, TNG was pretty much the only game in town for space-based sci-fi during its first couple of seasons.

And the tackiest of them all was...

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Enjoyed it as a kid...a bit afraid to revisit it.... :shifty:

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Tarzan
"The Day of the Golden Lion"
Originally aired December 2, 1966
Wiki said:
Tarzan joins an athletic championship, but an attempt to steal the prize happens.

Jai doesn't get a credit on IMDb, but he's in the episode, contributing a couple of essential plot beats. At one point, our attractive female guest, Suzy Parker, addresses him as "boy" as if it were his name....

The story involves a tribal olympics with the tribe from "the east" being distinctly Middle Eastern-looking. While everybody's attention is on the games, a couple of armed men traveling with Suzy scheme to steal the poorly guarded titular prize. When the champion of the African tribe is injured by one of bad guys, Tarzan takes his place in the competition. His opponent in the games is played by Rockne Tarkington, formerly the early recurring character Rao.

TOS guests: None. TNG guests: A bearded and bespectacled George Murdock (Admiral Hanson, "The Best of Both Worlds") as one of the would-be thieves. We don't see him again after Tarzan prevents him from sniping Rockne's character by throwing a small boulder on him...and they make a point of showing his partner being dragged off to the authorities at the end...so I'm assuming he didn't survive.

Of course, the whole episode is one big, family-friendly lesson in fair play, sportsmanship, and cooperation. In the end, Tarzan throws the game just enough that it turns out to be a draw, giving the tribe he's representing a chance to win the prize for themselves the following year.

While there's still plenty of outdoor shooting (including some use of zebras as riding animals in this one), they definitely seem to be doing more interior work these days than in the earliest episodes...including lots of use of at least one cave set with what looks like a soundstage jungle outside of it. And we get a second use of their underwater giant clam prop, which I'd meant to bring up in the previous episode. I don't have a lot of experience with actual giant clams, but it's not that bad-looking.

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12 O'Clock High IN COLOR
"Burden of Guilt"
Originally aired December 2, 1966
Xfinity said:
A colonel up for promotion uses underhanded tactics to take control and lead the 918th on a vital mission.

Overton's executive officer character is back, and central to the plot.

The meat of the story is drama centering around our heroes not going by the book while the guest character who does (James Broderick) threatens their MO with the intent of building himself up. Eventually they come together out of mutual interest in finding the right unterseeboot base to bomb to smithereens. In the end, Broderick's colonel does the right thing and doesn't accept the promotion to general he's been bucking for, as he proved not to have very good combat chops.

I'd read about this on the show's Wiki page--Burke's Colonel Gallagher has a "mission control" P-51 Mustang...the Wiki page cites one specific example of wartime precedent, but the whole premise seems like a bit of hokey hero conceit. And the presence of the lone Mustang on bomber runs makes you wonder why they otherwise seem to be flying missions without fighter cover...as well as solo recon missions without escort! And not just any old junior officers, but our hero and guest colonels!

When Broderick's colonel runs into trouble on his recon mission, Gallagher sends out some fighters to go save him. Should have taken Mustangs over an hour to get from England to the fictitious sub base area on the southern coast of Norway...if they weren't already with him, it doesn't seem like they'd get there in time to do any good.

And the climactic bombing run involves both colonels in the cockpit of the same bomber...despite the earlier dramatic beat of Richard Anderson's general grounding Gallagher because he didn't want to risk both of his colonels on the same mission.

Despite such distractingly inauthentic elements, I'm enjoying this show. The stories are pretty structurally solid and flow nicely.

In the last scene, I heard a soft music cue that sounds strikingly like the Trek fanfare. Since somebody has the entire episode on YouTube...44:34+:

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And that catches up my sidelist viewing with H&I's Batman airings! Henceforth, the sidelist viewing should be a weekly thing in sync with Batman, going into early August if H&I doesn't change the schedule. That'll mostly be Batman and Tarzan, with 12 O'Clock High along for the ride into mid-May.
 
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And perhaps Max Headroom.

ETA: It's fun how people, in hindsight, say how bad was the first season of TNG. You don't know how incredibly bad was almost everything before that.
Thank you, I'll check out Max Headroom. I've been meaning to for a while.

I actually like bad TNG though! Star Trek is fun when it's lame.
 
You know, a couple of episodes of the second season of Buck Rogers in the 25th Century weren't totally unwatchable...
 
Wikipedia says it lasted only 9 episodes (two unaired). The premise seems intriguing...

It's not impossible. He often said that he ever wanted to do good sci-fi tv. The problem is that most of his ideas didn't translate well on the screen...
The miniseries was superb, lots of undercutting undercutting st cliches.
The series at least had some bold ideas - ex-cop and stranded alien investigate odd cases that aren't actually paranormal - but was poorly done and seemed like a weak Moonlighting rip-off without the wit and daring of that, or the original two-parter.
 
I don't remember being all that impressed by the miniseries of Something is Out There. I remember very little about the series as a whole, actually, less than other shows from the period. I think I watched it mainly because Maryam d'Abo was hot.
 
This Week's 50th Anniversary Viewings

50 years ago this past week.

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Star Trek
"The City on the Edge of Forever"
Originally aired April 6, 1967
Stardate 3134.0
MeTV said:
Kirk and Spock must travel into the past in order to prevent a deranged McCoy from altering history and eradicating their own past.
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See my post here.

I had a little more to say this week, but it's about as hard to find something new to say about an indisputably strong classic as it is about an indisputable turd.

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The Man from U.N.C.L.E.
"The Five Daughters Affair: Part II"
Originally aired April 7, 1967
Xfinity said:
The trail of a secret formula for extracting gold from seawater leads Solo and Illya to Tokyo and the Arctic.

Open Channel Deja Vu--The second part uses the same opening credits as the first, even though Curt Jurgens and Telly Savalas are barely in the coda this time.

Solo and Kuryakin are working together in most of the story for a change. I've gotta hand it to Kuryakin in the resolution of the cliffhanger...when they get out of their ropes on an unpiloted jet, Illya heads for the cockpit while Solo's first priority is to answer his communicator...!

I'm not usually one with an ear for TV composers, but Nelson Riddle's hand stood out for me here. The music sounds very similar to his Batman music, especially that used in the movie.

In one scene, the bad guys really slap Kim Darby around. I always wanted to do that to some of the kids in "Miri," but she wasn't one of them.

Another odd You Only Live Twice coincidence...the story takes our heroes and guest heroine to Japan, where Darby's character disguises herself as a Japanese woman (a geisha, to be specific).

Philip Ahn--Now I'm getting a hankering to start watching Kung Fu! His role was brief, but he belonged in the opening credtis of this part more than Savalas and Jurgens.

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The Saint
"Island of Chance"
Originally aired April 7, 1967 (UK)
IMDb said:
Simon arrives at the Caribbean at the request of a friend who is killed before he can explain why he needs to see him.

Simon's introducing himself so much these days that I'm probably going to give up on bitching about it.

This one has a similar opening premise to "The Man Who Liked Lions" from earlier in the season...somebody gets murdered while trying to tell Simon something, so he investigates.

Simon doesn't engage in gunplay too much from what I've seen, so it's noteworthy that he blows somebody's head off...OK, it's a snake that somebody put in his bedroom, Dr. No style. Instead of feeling the tension as it was crawling up his bed, I was hearing Roger Moore of six years later: "You should never go in there without a mongoose."

Simon also uses Russian roulette as an interrogation technique...though true to form, it turns out the gun wasn't loaded.

Overall, it was a somewhat sloppy story...the deep, dark secret of the scientist who's the center of the plot turns out to be that he had a hidden gold stash, even though he was already established to have had a wealthy benefactress.

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Get Smart
"A Man Called Smart: Part 1"
Originally Aired April 8, 1967
Xfinity said:
An important informant is wounded before he can tell Max about a secret formula.

I'm picking up this series as it approaches the end of its second season. The Daily Binge that I recorded was part of Remarkable Women month. One might assume that would mean these particular episodes would be among 99's stronger ones. More likely, they were chosen for other reasons, as the overall execution of that theme seemed arbitrary. This episode didn't seem to be at all 99-centric, for starters.

This is a show that I haven't seen too much of, but enough to get the gist of it. There was nothing kneeslappingly/asthma-inducingly hilarious here, but some half-decent gags:
  • A briefcase that sports an extending metal ladder.
  • The Cone of Silence--I'm not sure exactly how often they used it, but know that it's a running gag. Here, the twist is that several people have to crowd into it at once.
  • The Chief going through numbers of agents like a deli. When 86 comes up, Max has to check a slip in his pocket to confirm that it's his number.
  • Max taking calls on multiple hotel phones at once, getting the cords tangled and the callers mixed up.
  • A KAOS spokesman making their demands on TV in the style of a commercial.

The Chief said:
It seems to make sense, and that worries me.


The cliffhanger wouldn't have seemed terribly original to anyone who'd been watching Batman the previous season: Max rolling out the back of an ambulance on a stretcher.

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The Avengers
"The Superlative Seven"
Originally aired April 8, 1967 (UK)
Wiki said:
A mysterious invitation that strands him on a remote island, with six companions who are murdered one by one, makes Steed a Little Indian.
Steed Flies to Nowhere
Emma Does Her Party Piece

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The "we're needed" scene is cute but doesn't agree with the scene that follows, in which Emma seems to be reading Steed's invitation for the first time. It ties in more closely with the completely absurd coda scene.

I was going to complain that our heroes are a little too quick to fall into traps by responding to invitations or requests from mysterious parties...but a twist here is that Steed smelled a trap from the beginning and had Emma tailing him. As the synopsis suggests, it's a very Steed-centric episode, with Emma off-camera for the bulk of it following the "briefing" scene, only popping up again in the last 10 minutes. I like Steed, but that's robbing the episode of two of the show's greatest strengths--Emma, and the chemistry between the two.

Of course, when it's revealed right out front that one of the people Steed's stranded with is planning to kill the rest of them, the group immediately does the stupidest thing possible--They split up! And they keep splitting up, even as their number gets whittled down at an alarming rate.

We know that we can rule Steed out, but everyone else is particularly suspicious of him, as he's the most tight-lipped about his occupation/area of expertise.

In general, the story did keep me guessing. It was neither the most nor least obvious suspect, but when the killer in their midst was revealed, it made perfect sense because there had been a substantial but easy-to-overlook clue. Somebody else might have spotted it more readily than I did.

One of the bad guys was a bald fellow with a very distinct look, such that I was sure I'd seen him somewhere before. It turns out that he holds a small but distinct role in the annals of geekdom--He's John Hollis, a.k.a. Lobot from The Empire Strikes Back (actually credited as "Lando's aide"). Among his other roles, he was also one of the Kryptonian elders in the first two Superman films.

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Coming up next week:
  • Star Trek, "Operation: Annihilate!" (season finale)
  • The Man from U.N.C.L.E., "The Cap and Gown Affair" (season finale)
  • Get Smart, "A Man Called Smart: Part 2"
  • The Avengers, "A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Station"
 
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Or stuff with the old 80s sci fi aesthetic if it exists.
BTW, the intro for the Buck Rogers in the 25th Century pilot/movie is probably the most 70s thing ever appeared in a sci-fi series. This and the pants of Space:1999 first season :)
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Wikipedia says it lasted only 9 episodes (two unaired). The premise seems intriguing...
That sounds about right. Worth getting, if it ever comes out on a cheap DVD set.

It's not impossible. He often said that he ever wanted to do good sci-fi tv. The problem is that most of his ideas didn't translate well on the screen...
Well, the Wiki page does confirm his involvement, but doesn't go into detail.

And we get a second use of their underwater giant clam prop, which I'd meant to bring up in the previous episode. I don't have a lot of experience with actual giant clams, but it's not that bad-looking.
I wonder if it's the same giant clam that tried to eat Robin. There weren't a lot of giant clams working in Hollywood in those days.

As the synopsis suggests, it's a very Steed-centric episode, with Emma off-camera for the bulk of it following the "briefing" scene, only popping up again in the last 10 minutes. I like Steed, but that's robbing the episode of two of the show's greatest strengths--Emma, and the chemistry between the two.
This is one I've seen recently. Definitely short on Emma, but there have been other Emma-centric stories, so I guess it balances out.

BTW, the intro for the Buck Rogers in the 25th Century pilot/movie is probably the most 70s thing ever appeared in a sci-fi series.
And people complain about "Faith of the Heart." :rommie:
 
I wonder if it's the same giant clam that tried to eat Robin. There weren't a lot of giant clams working in Hollywood in those days.
Good question...maybe...the Tarzan episodes that featured it are already out of my deletion bin, so I can't double-check (though maybe it will be coming up again). If it was the same prop, it was dressed differently and looked more naturalistic shot underwater in Tarzan.

This is one I've seen recently.
That begs the question: Did you catch the clue to the real killer?
 
Well, the Wiki page does confirm his involvement, but doesn't go into detail.
I tried to google a little a bit, but there isn't a lot of material about this series.
From the Isaac Asimov FAQ:
Asimov was credited as adviser and co-creator of this television series, which lasted for a 2-hour pilot and six 1-hour episodes on ABC in 1988 before a writer's strike came along and ended the series. It starred Parker Stevenson as brilliant young scientist Austin James, who owned his own high-tech think tank consulting firm, and used his scientific expertise to solve baffling crimes as a sort of modern day Sherlock Holmes.
From an interview to Parker Stevenson
Q: I recall you saying in an interview at the time that you’d decided you were done with series television, until Probe changed your mind. Given that stance, how did you come to be involved in this show?

A: Having recently worked for ABC and Universal on The Hardy Boys, they came back to me with the offer for Isaac Asimov’s Probe. The chance to be in an ongoing TV series overseen by Isaac Asimov was too hard to resist. In truth, I was lucky to get the offer.

Q: In another interview, I believe you alluded to becoming a more avid reader as you got older. Were you already acquainted with Isaac Asimov’s works by the time you started working on this show? Likewise, were you a fan of any of William Link’s other shows, such as Columbo?

A: I knew of [Asimov] as one of the great minds of the 20th Century, but had read little of his actual writings. That changed when I committed to being on the show. I was very aware of William Link’s other shows. He was a major force in TV programming at the time. But it was Michael Wagner who I worked the most closely with. He was a really gifted writer, and I hoped to continue working with Michael after Probe ended, but he died too early, and that was a great loss.
He says "overseen by Isaac Asimov", so it doesn't seem that they just used his name as a publicity stunt.

ETA: Asimov talked about Probe in an editorial of the Isaac Asimov Science Fiction Magazine (January '89). Does anyone have it..?

ETA 2: Found it! This is the part relevant to Probe.

2. Probe: Every once in a while, some television producer asks me to write some sort of treatment out of which some program might arise (usually after I have refused to do any television scripts). Sometimes I agree, but almost invariably, even though I get paid for my trouble, nothing comes of it. (I invented Asimov’s First Law of Visual Media as a result. It goes "Whatever happens, nothing happens.”)

Once I got very close. I actually wrote a science fiction story intended to serve as the basis for a television script, and a television script was written, and everyone seemed enthusiastic, and I was even told a date had been set for production—but it came to nothing. No matter, I sold the story to this magazine. It was entitled "Lest We Remember” and it appeared in the 15 February 1982 issue. (Not a bad story, either, in my own opinion.)

The same people who had worked with "Lest We Remember” then asked me to do a treatment for a series involving a scientific detective. I wrote the treatment, describing the characters, explaining the sort of mysteries the hero might be involved in, giving a few brief examples, urging them to add humor, and explaining that they must be sure to show the hero, however bright, as not very smart when it came to social relationships and as being one-upped periodically—or he would never gain audience approval. (Who likes a know-it-all? Or, as Tennyson had Guinevere say to King Arthur, "He is all fault who has no faults at all.”)

This time, by golly, something happened. Scripts were written and sent to me for comment, and the show actually came alive on the television screen. A two-hour pilot show was shown and (at the moment of writing) three one-hour episodes have appeared. The show is called "Probe” and I think it is delightful. It has an attractive hero and heroine, the action is fast, the dialogue is witty, and the situations are intriguing.

However, I do none of the writing. The plots and dialogue are written by others, chiefly by an excellent writer named Michael Wagner. Originally, the television show was to carry the notation: "Created by Isaac Asimov.” However, I got a call from the Writers’ Guild before the program actually appeared, to the effect that there was now a desire that it be "Created by Isaac Asimov and Michael Wagner” and that they would "arbitrate” this serious infringement of the contract.

I said, "Why arbitrate? Michael Wagner wrote the pilot and if he wants to be listed as co-creator, I have no objection at all.”

"No objection,” they said, in disbelief, and seemed at an utter loss for words. "Are you sure???”

"I’m sure,” I said, and left them all bewildered.

Apparently, in Hollywood, you fight to the death over these things—which is one reason I carefully insulate myself from Hollywood.

Anyway, you now know the part I played in connection with "Probe.” I don’t know how long it will survive (they carefully placed it opposite the "Bill Cosby Show”) and maybe it will be dead by the time this appears. But if it survives and if you like it, please give the credit to Michael Wagner, the actors, and the director. My own part, however crucial some may think it is, was small.
 
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^^ And that's why we love Asimov. :rommie: I must have read that, because I was a subscriber to the print edition at the time (there was only a print edition at the time), but I don't remember-- and, since he didn't actually write it, I was not inspired to watch it.
 
Columbo: "Death Hits the Jackpot": I suppose a story about Columbo vs. a lottery winner had to be about an already upper-class man who murdered his poor nephew to steal his lottery winnings, since Columbo has always been about the working-class lieutenant outwitting arrogant, rich, and privileged killers. Although Rip Torn comes off as a bit more rough-hewn than the usual killer, partly because of the Southern accent. He's also not very convincing as a rival in a battle of wits with Columbo, given how bluntly his reactions telegraph "Oh no, I've been caught in a lie" or "How I hate and fear this detective closing in on me." Jamie Rose is reasonably good as his accomplice, the nearly-ex-wife of the victim, but she's written inconsistently. Late in the story, when she asks Leon for the half of the money that she's legally entitled to and he puts her off with vague promises, you could see her recognizing that he'd done the same thing with the nephew in whose name he claimed the winnings -- which should've tipped her off that she might be the next to die and sent her to Columbo to give him up. Instead, she just kept up the deception until the end, and Columbo manipulated Leon into giving her up, which wasn't as satisfying an ending as if she'd been the one to give the unpleasant Leon his comeuppance.

The episode also tried to hard to be broad and funny, with all of the victim's neighbors being either stereotyped starving artists/hippies (in 1991) or broad ethnic stereotypes, and with a pet baby chimp playing a pivotal role in the episode. The chimp's fingerprint being the damning clue was kind of clever, if predictable as hell, but the whole thing seemed a little too twee, and it was unappealing from an animal-rights standpoint both in-story and in real life. (That cute baby chimp would've grown up to be a superstrong, untameable adult and would've been unable to be kept in captivity or survive in the wild. There's a reason there are laws against keeping wild animals as housepets.)

It occurs to me that this is the second movie in a row where the male murderer had a female accomplice, and the third of the past four where there have been two people implicated in the murder. There's another conspiracy three movies later, in one we've already seen, "It's All in the Game" with Faye Dunaway and Claudia Christian as the conspirators. And there are at least two more to follow before the end of the series.
 
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