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The Classic/Retro Pop Culture Thread

The future U.S. President would lose in November to the incumbent, Congressman John Paul Hammerschmidt.

[T-minus 6,720 days and counting.]
A glimpse into deep time. :rommie:

U.S. President Nixon was greeted by a cheering crowd estimated at two million people in Egypt as he and his wife were escorted in a motorcade through the streets of Cairo.
Don't let it go to your head, Dick. :rommie:

Prince Charles, the future King Charles III of the United Kingdom
A glimpse into even deeper time.

[T-minus 57 days and counting.]
Tick tock tick tock....

"Wild Thing," Fancy
This is completely new to me. It's pretty good.

"You and Me Against the World," Helen Reddy
This is okay, he said, damning it with faint praise. :rommie:

"Tell Me Something Good," Rufus
Ah, I love this one. You want odd memory associations? This song always makes me think of Supernatural Thrillers #7. :rommie:

"The Night Chicago Died," Paper Lace
This is a good one, despite being frequently mocked. It really goes to show the kind of diversity there used to be in Top 40.

I didn't get that impression. Spencer and Shiraki seemed to be friendly conspirators, while Chambers was in the know and after their pilfered treasure. His role in its theft was unclear, but the implication was that he was a former associate.
Oh, well, it would have been nice to have more details, but I guess it doesn't matter.
 
80 Years Ago This Month

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70 Years Ago This Month

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June 1

June 4
  • Further meeting of United States Senate Subcommittee on Juvenile Delinquency

June 5
  • The last new episode of the comic variety program Your Show of Shows airs.

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Also on June 5, "Little Things Mean a Lot" by Kitty Kallen tops the Billboard Best Sellers in Stores chart.

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June 6
  • A statue of Yuriy Dolgorukiy in Moscow, originally conceived in 1947 in recognition of the 800th anniversary of the city's foundation, is unveiled.
  • The San Francisco Chief passenger train comes into use on the Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe Railway between Chicago and San Francisco in the United States.

June 7
  • All 4 Iowa class battleships are together in one place for the only time in their history. [Be nice if they'd clue us in as to where...]
  • Died: Alan Turing, 41, British mathematician, cryptanalyst, and pioneer computer scientist (suicide)

June 9
  • Joseph Welch, special counsel for the United States Army, lashes out at Senator Joseph McCarthy, during hearings on whether Communism has infiltrated the Army, saying, "Have you no sense of decency?"
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  • Born: George Perez, American comic book artist, in The Bronx, New York (d. 2022)

June 12
  • An IRA unit carries out a daylight arms raid on the British Army's Gough Barracks in Armagh, Northern Ireland. In twenty minutes, the IRA men loaded a cattle truck with 340 rifles, 50 Sten guns, 12 Bren guns, and a volley of smaller arms and ammunition, and drove it away without anyone being injured.

June 13
  • NASCAR holds its first ever road course event, in Linden, New Jersey; it is won by Al Keller in a Jaguar.
  • Steam locomotives operate for the last time on the Maine Central Railroad in the United States.
  • Canal Nacional, predecessor of Canal 1, launched as the first Colombian television station.

June 14
  • The words "under God" are added to the United States Pledge of Allegiance.

June 15
  • Born: James Belushi, American actor and comedian; in Chicago, Illinois

June 17
  • Pierre Mendès France is elected prime minister of France, and immediately begins negotiations to end the Indochina war.

June 19
  • Born: Kathleen Turner, US actress, in Springfield, Missouri

June 22
  • Sarah Mae Flemming is expelled from a bus in South Carolina for sitting in a white-only section.
  • Died: Don Hollenbeck, 49, US newscaster (suicide)

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On June 24, The Caine Mutiny, starring Humphrey Bogart, José Ferrer, Van Johnson, and Fred MacMurray, is released, premiering in New York.
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June 25
  • In a meeting, Dr. Wernher von Braun, Frederick C. Durant III, Alexander Satin, David Young, Dr. Fred L. Whipple, Dr. S. Fred Singer, and Commander George W. Hoover agree that a Redstone rocket with a Loki cluster as the second stage could launch a satellite into a 200-mile (320 km) orbit without major new developments. Project Orbiter was a later outgrowth of this proposal and resulted in the launching of Explorer I on January 31, 1958.
  • Hurricane Alice makes landfall in South Texas, United States, before moving into northern Mexico and causing substantial flooding and other damage in the area of the Pecos River and Rio Grande. Over 50 people are known to have been killed.

June 26
  • The world's first civilian nuclear power station, Obninsk Nuclear Power Plant, is commissioned in the Soviet Union.

June 27
  • Guatemalan President Jacobo Árbenz resigns following a CIA-sponsored military coup d'etat, triggering a bloody civil war that continues for more than 35 years.

June 29
  • Buckminster Fuller obtains a US patent for his geodesic dome.
  • The Battle of Mang Yang Pass ends in victory for the Việt Minh, resulting in the end of the First Indochina War and the final defeat of the French.

June 30
  • A solar eclipse is visible in parts of the United States, Canada, Greenland, Iceland, Norway, Sweden, and eastern Europe, thence over Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan and India, 3 days after perigee.

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Released in June and charting the week ending July 3:

"Sh-Boom," The Chords
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(#5 US; #2 R&B; #215 on Rolling Stone's 500 Greatest Songs of All Time [2004])

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Timeline entries are quoted from the Wiki pages for the month, as well as the year in film, music, television, and comics. Sections separated from timeline entries are mine.

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Tick tock tick tock....
Interesting thing in my period comics reading, which is a few weeks behind ATM...Captain America #175, which I don't have and have never actually read, came out in April. This came to my attention because Cap's resulting identity crisis has popped up as a subplot in Avengers. So in immersive retro context, they were calling Nixon as a crook and sealing his alternate reality fate while the investigation was still underway, pre-smoking gun.

From what I know of the story, this has me curious as to how the aftermath was dealt with in Cap's mag, as the Avengers seem clueless regarding the details. That Nixon was the leader of the Secret Empire may have been kept under wraps, but the President of the United States committing suicide in the Oval Office should have been huge news. Did SHIELD replace him with an LMD or something?

This is completely new to me. It's pretty good.
I also had never heard this version, and had previously favored only the definitive versions of songs for my collection; but in immersive retro play, there's more room for underwhelming covers.

This is okay, he said, damning it with faint praise. :rommie:
Hobgobby says I have to get this one, as it's a Top 10.

Ah, I love this one.
Memorable funk classic. The catchiest element of the song is the wah-wah backing vocals.
You want odd memory associations? This song always makes me think of Supernatural Thrillers #7. :rommie:
Any particular reason?

This is a good one, despite being frequently mocked. It really goes to show the kind of diversity there used to be in Top 40.
The original recording had been unavailable on iTunes previously, but I can get it now. A fluffy pop hit typical of the era; you have to wonder how the singer is old enough to have a mother who remembers the event being referenced, given that the style of the song isn't retro. A noteworthy bit of business about one-hit wonders Paper Lace is that they originally recorded "Billy Don't Be a Hero," their version having been a chart-topper in the UK, Ireland, and Australia, though it barely got into the Hot 100 in the US.

Oh, well, it would have been nice to have more details, but I guess it doesn't matter.
I just deleted the recording, so I can't check further. I'd done one last look at the scenes in which the Chief was working on the ideograph puzzle, and still found it difficult to follow. Nice bit of continuity I should mention is that they referenced the Chief having familiarity with the Japanese alphabet and this type of puzzle from his time in the Navy in Japan.

Gotta love the disco ball halter top.
 
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All 4 Iowa class battleships are together in one place for the only time in their history. [Be nice if they'd clue us in as to where...]

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Back when Missouri was in reserve at the Puget Sound Naval Shipyard in Bremerton, my family visited and I have several photos somewhere in storage of the Shi and the plaque marking the spot where the Japanese surrendered, marking the end of WWII.
 
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Very nice.

I keep forgetting how old this strip is.

Also on June 5, "Little Things Mean a Lot" by Kitty Kallen tops the Billboard Best Sellers in Stores chart.
Pleasant enough.

Joseph Welch, special counsel for the United States Army, lashes out at Senator Joseph McCarthy, during hearings on whether Communism has infiltrated the Army, saying, "Have you no sense of decency?"
I wonder what he'd think of our current gang of idiots. No, I don't really wonder.

Born: George Perez, American comic book artist, in The Bronx, New York (d. 2022)
A comic book legend, with a special gift for faces.

the IRA men loaded a cattle truck with 340 rifles, 50 Sten guns, 12 Bren guns, and a volley of smaller arms and ammunition, and drove it away without anyone being injured.
There's irony.

The words "under God" are added to the United States Pledge of Allegiance.
And are still there. Extremist movements can leave lasting damage. We still haven't gotten our real motto back either.

On June 24, The Caine Mutiny, starring Humphrey Bogart, José Ferrer, Van Johnson, and Fred MacMurray, is released, premiering in New York.
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A classic, with great performances all around.

The world's first civilian nuclear power station, Obninsk Nuclear Power Plant, is commissioned in the Soviet Union.
No problem, because the Soviets do so well with highly advanced technology. :rommie:

"Sh-Boom," The Chords
Now we're talking. :rommie:

So in immersive retro context, they were calling Nixon as a crook and sealing his alternate reality fate while the investigation was still underway, pre-smoking gun.
Ah, one of Englehart's masterpieces, leading to one of the all-time great comic book hero speeches:

Cap-Speech.jpg


That Nixon was the leader of the Secret Empire may have been kept under wraps, but the President of the United States committing suicide in the Oval Office should have been huge news. Did SHIELD replace him with an LMD or something?
It was only heavily implied that Nixon was the secret leader who committed suicide-- presumably showing it outright would have been too much of a deviation from reality, even if it wouldn't have brought the Right-Wingnuts down upon their heads. The fact that Nixon was still present in real life gave the whole thing a bit of a Twilight Zone feel, but as far as I know it was never addressed. The LMD idea is a good one-- I can see Fury participating in that coverup for the good of the country, as well as orchestrating the resignation and pardon.

I also had never heard this version, and had previously favored only the definitive versions of songs for my collection; but in immersive retro play, there's more room for underwhelming covers.
I like the mix of male and female vocals.

Any particular reason?
Not that I recall, other than it must have been on the radio while I was reading the book. But there were also a lot of other songs on the air, so as to why my brain chose this one, your guess is as good as mine. I do actually have quite a few odd musical associations. :rommie:

you have to wonder how the singer is old enough to have a mother who remembers the event being referenced, given that the style of the song isn't retro.
I guess I just accepted it as a work of fiction based on real events. The viewpoint character could have been in his 60s or 70s.

Nice bit of continuity I should mention is that they referenced the Chief having familiarity with the Japanese alphabet and this type of puzzle from his time in the Navy in Japan.
Oh, that's right, I forgot about that. That is a nice touch.

Gotta love the disco ball halter top.
She's got enough sparkle. The disco top is surplus sparkle. I do dig the bellbottoms, though.

I guess I'll let the curator of the Battlehship New Jersey Museum explain it.
I was kinda hoping they had to fend off an alien invasion or something.

I've been on the South Dakota-class USS Massachusetts at Fall River. If RJ has a favorite battleship, I'm guessing that would be it--she was even built in Quincy!
I never thought about it, but that definitely fits my criteria. :rommie: I think the only active duty Navy ship I've ever been on (although I think the Constitution is still considered active) was a submarine that my infamous Uncle Mike served on, which was the Triggerfish.
 
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Post-50th Anniversary Viewing

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The Mod Squad
"Can You Hear Me Out There?"
Originally aired November 9, 1972
IMDb said:
A rash of car thefts appear to be connected to a particular radio station and a puzzling code.

Jimmy Gowdy (Cal Bellini) steals a car off the street, and while he's picked up by the police after getting out of the vehicle, the owner (Ed Call) is unable to identify him without the long wig and bright jacket that he'd been wearing. The disguise is found in the vehicle, but Greer says that putting it on Gowdy would be entrapment. Pete volunteers to be put in the lineup, and afterward approaches the thief at a food stand, claiming to be an ex-con who's looking for shady work. Despite Gowdy's defensiveness and suspicion that Pete's a cop, Pete passes his test. Meanwhile, while looking for the significance of a group of letters found on a note that Gowdy was carrying, Linc and Julie discover in the police impound yard that three recovered vehicles from the rash of thefts all have their radios tuned into the same small underground station.

Julie goes to the station, which proudly supports the psychedelic Lennon poster, looking for work--Wait, is she on the clock?--and is taken under the wing of the hip disc jockey, Charley Jameson (Lou Gossett), who tells her of how the station manager, Harry Burns (Larry D. Mann), helped sober him up, and also conspicuously writes the station's commercials, which he insists be read in order. Charley takes Julie home for dinner at his luxurious home with his straight-laced wife, Mildred (Kim Hamilton), and fifteen-year old daughter, Laurie (Tina Andrews). Charley's inability to be strict with Laurie is a cause of friction with Mildred. Meanwhile, Linc goes to a community center to consult a young genius named Walter (Ty Henderson), who pauses his chess games against multiple opponents to show Linc on a blackboard how the letters likely stand in for certain numbers via a tic-tac-toe grid-based code. At Gowdy's pad, Pete has to get tough to maintain his cover while pressing Jimmy about when they'll see some action...Gowdy indicating that they only work when their corporate employer sends them orders.

When Laurie drops by the station, we learn that the one thing Charley will come down on her about is disrespecting Mr. Burns, whom she dislikes. Mildred later dramatically questions Charley about this, asserting that Burns and the bread and butter he provides are more important to Charley than his family. When Linc shares the code's meaning with Greer and Julie, Julie makes a connection with the station's commercial codes, thinking that it could be the number of the commercial and the time that it will be played. A little investigation into which commercial that would have been indicates that the commercials are conveying the places to pick up and drop off the stolen cars, with the operation on the day that Jimmy got caught having been botched by Charley having read the commercials in the wrong order. Jimmy brings his new orders to the sleazy pad and shares the code scheme with Pete, but then catches Pete retrieving the note from the garbage and makes him for a cop again, forcing him at knifepoint to drive to the ring's hot car warehouse near an auto wrecking yard.

While Linc tails Burns to the warehouse, Greer enters the station, ignoring Julie's presence, and questions CJ about Burns, confronting him about what's been going on and having him read some police-provided spots, designed to help put the sting on the operation. Afterward Charley is mortified at having been Burns's patsy, but Laurie consoles him, and he admits to being a middle-aged fraud, pulling off his afro wig to reveal a balding head. (Oddly, while this corresponds with what will be Gossett's signature look, he appears to be wearing a bald wig under the afro wig; and they're dialing up his age to the tune of ten years.) Burns meets Pete and orders Gowdy to dispose of him along with one of the hot cars. As Jimmy's driving the car with a knocked-out Pete in the trunk back to the wrecking yard, Greer swoops in with CLE to bust Burns and his crew. Lucy goes to Pete's rescue, taking down Gowdy and a forklift operator to save Pete from a car smasher.

In the coda, Julie parts ways with Charley, who's now sporting a still hip but more age-appropriate look while sticking with his gig at the station, and Julie gets in the Charger with the other Mods.

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Ironside
"Nightmare Trip"
Originally aired November 9, 1972
Wiki said:
Ed experiences jail from a prisoner's point of view when he gets booked on a misdemeanor.

This is the second of two episodes directed by Raymond Burr.

Ed shakes down and arrests a suspect named Tony Watts (Jonathan Lippe) with the intent of turning him over to L.A. authorities as part of an exchange. Ed escorts him there via plane while a post-break opening credits song plays--"The Other Side," written by Marty & David Paich, sung by James Griffin from Bread--and turns him over to Lt. Roy Dacker (Bill Williams). Ed delays taking back his exchange prisoner to look up an old Marine Corps buddy, Dale Madigan (Steve Sandor), whom he finds has picked up combat fatigue in his continuing military career, having become frustrated with too many years of impersonal killing and questioning what it's like for Ed with his police career. (Ed is said to have been serving in 'Nam seven years prior, which would have been a couple of years before the series pilot.) As Ed's leaving the base, he's lured to a van by the sound of a man groaning in distress, TV Fu'd by a second man, and loaded in. The pair strip him of his ID and police accoutrements, then toss him out the van down the side of the road.

After coming to, a disoriented Ed stumbles to a road and is quickly picked up by a pair of sheriff's deputies, Dewey (Jack Ging) and Buckner (Rudy Solari), who are initially interested in him because he matches the description of a 211 suspect and isn't carrying ID. While that search is called off, their aggressive attitude is worsened by Ed acting indignant about them not letting him identify himself without getting around to doing it. To underscore the point of the episode, Ed hears Dale's words about feeling like a cog in machinery and, as he's being read his rights, has little flashes to his own history of arresting suspects. Ed is taken to desk sergeant Andy Badger (John Goddard), who just took a call from a colleague on the city force, Sgt. Joe Richards (Vic Vallaro), that his son, Danny (Casey King), was picked up for possession of marijuana. Apparently motivated to see what it's like on the song's titular location, Ed makes a point of letting himself be booked as John Doe and waiving his right to make a call. The song reprises as he's stripped, showered, given a prisoner's uniform, and put in a crowded cell where he's quickly harassed by a belligerent cellmate, Wolf (Bill Fletcher); whom a smart-talking operator--I'm going to assume this is Fixer (J. H. Lawrence), though I couldn't find any photos--has been taunting about being a killer.

Back in Frisco, an angry Chief has been running Mark and Fran ragged trying to find out where Ed's at, and ends up taking a flight to L.A. with Mark. While they try to retrace Ed's movements with Dacker's help, a frustrated investigating detective, Sgt. Tulley (Paul Carr with a 'stache), tries to get Ed to cooperate, but is questioned by Ed about how a John Doe ends up in such a dehumanizing situation for not having done anything. While Fixer is gleefully released by a pal, Ed is privy to the thoughts of some of his remaining cellmates, the viewers to the other's. A drunk vocalizes his struggles with the bottle; Wolf thinks of his wife calmly pleading with him before he apparently killed her for allegedly cheating on him; and a third, Caine (Don Stroud), talks to himself about how he tried to get the police to hold onto him last time to prevent him from compulsively doing something to a child. Ed sympathetically engages the last in conversation, while continuing to refuse to talk about himself.

The Chief has Mark and another local detective let him out of their car to follow the path from the base to a nearby Chinese restaurant he has reason to believe Ed was headed for, and is soon accosted by the two men from the van, who are pounced on and arrested by the others in the act of attempting to mug the Chief. Having an idea of what happened to Ed, the Chief ends up at the sheriff's office, where he takes an interest in an uncooperative John Doe who was picked up in the area after claiming to have been mugged. The Chief is taken to Ed's cell, where, after an intensely wordless exchange of stares, he moves on, explaining to Mark afterward that "this is Ed's walk to Cavalry". When a nervous young prisoner named Benjy Davis (Frank Michael Liu) is brought into the cell, Ed offers his bunk, and soon gets into a fight with Wolf to stop him from harassing the new cellmate. While Ed is victorious, he has a series of flashes to his experiences during the episode and, having only gotten to this point by playing it super-cool, unconvincingly breaks down, shouting to be let out.

Cut to Dacker giving a Joe Friday to Ed about the stunt he pulled, with Ed explaining that he had to learn what it was like to be a civilian again. As he's escorting out the exchange prisoner, Ownie Karp (George Conrad), Ed passes by Dewey and Buckner, exchanging only meaningful glances.

This one was strikingly different, but not as well-executed as it could have been, seeming a little too contrived in both how Ed got into the situation and what motivated him to get out. And the title describes trying to identify all of the actors, most of whose characters weren't named.

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Ah, one of Englehart's masterpieces, leading to one of the all-time great comic book hero speeches:

Cap-Speech.jpg
The gravitas is somewhat undermined by the silly Nomad outfit...which appears to have gotten sliced up here, showing still more skin.

It was only heavily implied that Nixon was the secret leader who committed suicide-- presumably showing it outright would have been too much of a deviation from reality, even if it wouldn't have brought the Right-Wingnuts down upon their heads. The fact that Nixon was still present in real life gave the whole thing a bit of a Twilight Zone feel, but as far as I know it was never addressed.
I figured as much, given that they didn't outright establish who Number One was. In addition to playing oddly in the short-term over in The Avengers, it implicitly establishes a significant discrepancy between Marvel and real-world history, though one that would only have been ignored in the long term because of Marvel's sliding timescale, which wouldn't keep the events grounded in their specific historical moment.

I guess I just accepted it as a work of fiction based on real events. The viewpoint character could have been in his 60s or 70s.
That's the thing, no effort is made to have him sound like it.

I was kinda hoping they had to fend off an alien invasion or something.
They were sent to Korea to find and bring home the 4077th, and disappeared until 1961.

I think the only active duty Navy ship I've ever been on (although I think the Constitution is still considered active) was a submarine that my infamous Uncle Mike served on, which was the Triggerfish.
Battleship Massachusetts isn't active duty, she's a museum ship. The cool thing that always stuck in my head was how on one deck they had mess seating situated around one of the 16-inch gun turret cylinders.
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Today we lost William Anders, age 90, the Apollo 8 astronaut who took this:

I just saw that when I woke up. His plane crashed in the ocean apparently. I wonder if we'll find out what actually happened. Very sad, in any case, but what an amazing life.

The local news stations showed footage taken from bystanders on the shore when the plane crashed into Puget Sound. I'm not going to post it, but, based on the description given by eyewitnesses, it appears that he was trying to perform some sort of aerial maneuver, lost control of the aircraft and was too close to the water to pull out and slammed into it at full speed.
 
The disguise is found in the vehicle, but Greer says that putting it on Gowdy would be entrapment.
Seems like they could have used it as evidence, since they're obviously already on this guy as part of a larger investigation.

Linc and Julie discover in the police impound yard that three recovered vehicles from the rash of thefts all have their radios tuned into the same small underground station.
Wow, talk about attention to detail. :rommie:

Julie goes to the station, which proudly supports the psychedelic Lennon poster, looking for work--Wait, is she on the clock?
She forgot that she already has a job. :rommie:

hip disc jockey, Charley Jameson (Lou Gossett)
Omnipresent character actor and notable 80s alien.

Charley takes Julie home for dinner at his luxurious home
Counterculture is big business now.

Linc goes to a community center to consult a young genius named Walter (Ty Henderson), who pauses his chess games against multiple opponents to show Linc on a blackboard how the letters likely stand in for certain numbers via a tic-tac-toe grid-based code.
Kinda cool, but kinda random. What's this genius doing in a community center and how does Linc know him?

the one thing Charley will come down on her about is disrespecting Mr. Burns
Great, now I'm seeing everybody as Simpsons characters. :rommie:

Mildred later dramatically questions Charley about this, asserting that Burns and the bread and butter he provides are more important to Charley than his family.
Seems like his family is benefiting from this lucrative gig.

When Linc shares the code's meaning with Greer and Julie, Julie makes a connection with the station's commercial codes, thinking that it could be the number of the commercial and the time that it will be played.
This is basically a pretty nifty idea, but a bit much for an auto theft ring. They should have used it for a political extremist cell or something.

then catches Pete retrieving the note from the garbage and makes him for a cop again
"I just dig secret codes, man."

Greer enters the station, ignoring Julie's presence
"Greer? It's me, Julie. I work for you, remember?"

Charley is mortified at having been Burns's patsy, but Laurie consoles him, and he admits to being a middle-aged fraud, pulling off his afro wig to reveal a balding head.
Ouch.

Oddly, while this corresponds with what will be Gossett's signature look, he appears to be wearing a bald wig under the afro wig
Man's got layers like an onion.

As Jimmy's driving the car with a knocked-out Pete in the trunk back to the wrecking yard, Greer swoops in with CLE to bust Burns and his crew. Lucy goes to Pete's rescue, taking down Gowdy and a forklift operator to save Pete from a car smasher.
Not a bad episode overall, aside from the crimes being underwhelming compared to the scheme. It was just a straightforward investigation where everybody played a part, with no forced personal relationships from the past.

Julie parts ways with Charley, who's now sporting a still hip but more age-appropriate look
Probably just his natural self at this point.

Ed escorts him there via plane while a post-break opening credits song plays
They do like their artsy musical interludes.

Ed delays taking back his exchange prisoner to look up an old Marine Corps buddy, Dale Madigan (Steve Sandor), whom he finds has picked up combat fatigue in his continuing military career, having become frustrated with too many years of impersonal killing and questioning what it's like for Ed with his police career.
Is he on leave from serving in Vietnam? And he served with Ed seven years ago? That doesn't seem possible.

(Ed is said to have been serving in 'Nam seven years prior, which would have been a couple of years before the series pilot.)
That's interesting. Has it been mentioned before that he's a vet?

their aggressive attitude is worsened by Ed acting indignant about them not letting him identify himself without getting around to doing it.
And wouldn't that be one of the first things they ask?

as he's being read his rights, has little flashes to his own history of arresting suspects.
Real clips from past episodes?

Ed makes a point of letting himself be booked as John Doe and waiving his right to make a call.
Booked for what? Vagrancy? Anonymity?

questioned by Ed about how a John Doe ends up in such a dehumanizing situation for not having done anything.
A valid question.

Wolf thinks of his wife calmly pleading with him before he apparently killed her for allegedly cheating on him
Would they really put this guy in a cell with other people?

talks to himself about how he tried to get the police to hold onto him last time to prevent him from compulsively doing something to a child.
Yikes.

The Chief has Mark and another local detective let him out of their car to follow the path from the base to a nearby Chinese restaurant he has reason to believe Ed was headed for, and is soon accosted by the two men from the van
So these guys just hang out in their van and mug people on their way for Chinese food? Very convenient for the Chief that they have such a reliable MO. :rommie:

The Chief is taken to Ed's cell, where, after an intensely wordless exchange of stares, he moves on, explaining to Mark afterward that "this is Ed's walk to Cavalry".
Okay, that sounds like a cool moment.

While Ed is victorious, he has a series of flashes to his experiences during the episode and, having only gotten to this point by playing it super-cool, unconvincingly breaks down, shouting to be let out.
Leaving nervous guy alone with Wolf.

This one was strikingly different, but not as well-executed as it could have been, seeming a little too contrived in both how Ed got into the situation and what motivated him to get out.
Definitely well meaning, but kind of a mess. Aside from the lack of motivation for Ed both going in and coming out, everything just seemed random. There was no significance or resolution to any of his fellow prisoners' stories. The bit about the sergeant with the son being picked up for marijuana seemed to want to mean something, but went nowhere. The old Marine buddy appeared and disappeared, making Chekov weep. The guys in the van were way too convenient. It's a shame, because it was a nice idea.

The gravitas is somewhat undermined by the silly Nomad outfit...which appears to have gotten sliced up here, showing still more skin.
Heh. Well, it's a comic book. :rommie:

I figured as much, given that they didn't outright establish who Number One was. In addition to playing oddly in the short-term over in The Avengers, it implicitly establishes a significant discrepancy between Marvel and real-world history, though one that would only have been ignored in the long term because of Marvel's sliding timescale, which wouldn't keep the events grounded in their specific historical moment.
Yeah, it's all in another universe now. Only the Watcher remembers.

That's the thing, no effort is made to have him sound like it.
That's true.

They were sent to Korea to find and bring home the 4077th, and disappeared until 1961.
Evidently part of some time travel plot to shorten the Korean War by eight years.

Battleship Massachusetts isn't active duty, she's a museum ship.
Shows you how much I know about the military. :rommie: I did some research on my Uncle's sub and it was actually the USS Trigger, not Triggerfish. This would have been around 1969 or 1970 when I got to visit. After watching Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea, I was a bit shocked at what a real submarine was like. :rommie:

The cool thing that always stuck in my head was how on one deck they had mess seating situated around one of the 16-inch gun turret cylinders.
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Like a little snack bar. Maybe so they wouldn't have to wander too far from their post during a battle or something?

The local news stations showed footage taken from bystanders on the shore when the plane crashed into Puget Sound. I'm not going to post it, but, based on the description given by eyewitnesses, it appears that he was trying to perform some sort of aerial maneuver, lost control of the aircraft and was too close to the water to pull out and slammed into it at full speed.
Damn. I wonder what was going on with him. Was he trying to prove that he still had it? Was he suffering from dementia? Did he just want to go out as a pilot rather than fade away? We may never know.
 
Wow, talk about attention to detail. :rommie:
By circumstance, the owner of the intro car commented about the station the radio was on as he was claiming his vehicle; and then the Mods overheard another car being worked on playing the same channel.

Kinda cool, but kinda random. What's this genius doing in a community center and how does Linc know him?
Unspecified.

To better explain the code, each square had a number assigned, and the letters of the code, like J, L, and U, actually indicated parts of the grid.

Probably just his natural self at this point.
Still seemed to be wearing the bald wig.

They do like their artsy musical interludes.
This was the season when they started to do that...I read that it was because Marty Paich took over music for the show. His son, David, who was working on the music with him, went on to become a founding member of Toto.

Is he on leave from serving in Vietnam? And he served with Ed seven years ago? That doesn't seem possible.
Why not? He was a career officer who'd gotten to major.

That's interesting. Has it been mentioned before that he's a vet?
Not that I can recall, but maybe.

Real clips from past episodes?
Looked like it.

Booked for what? Vagrancy? Anonymity?
Resisting arrest and failure to identify himself.

Would they really put this guy in a cell with other people?
That's what I was thinking.

Okay, that sounds like a cool moment.
It was nifty.

There was no significance or resolution to any of his fellow prisoners' stories.
They were there to inform Ed's view.
The bit about the sergeant with the son being picked up for marijuana seemed to want to mean something, but went nowhere.
I should have worked in that when we met the patrol officers in their car before they arrested Ed, they were also given bits of humanizing personal business. Dewey was losing sleep over a sick kid and Buckner wanted a transfer to the motor pool apparently, not being comfortable with the weight of the badge. So I guess the idea was to show that these people were sympathetically human.
The old Marine buddy appeared and disappeared, making Chekov weep.
He was the catalyst who informed the whole journey. His words played in Ed's head at several points in the episode. That said, I was anticipating a more direct role from the way the muggers swooped in and seemed to purposefully relieve Ed of his identity, without batting an eyelash when it would have become evident that their victim was a cop...which makes them pretty stupid for not moving their operation elsewhere, as under other circumstances the heat would have been on them pretty fast.

Heh. Well, it's a comic book. :rommie:
It's otherwise such an aggressively generic costume that the plunging neckline is its defining feature. "I've been forced to question everything that I thought I stood for and am no longer sure who I am...plus I've always wanted to show off my chest."

Like a little snack bar. Maybe so they wouldn't have to wander too far from their post during a battle or something?
Even on a huge ship like that, they squeeze functionality out of every space available. She had a crew of up to 2,500 and lots of large machinery.
 
By circumstance, the owner of the intro car commented about the station the radio was on as he was claiming his vehicle; and then the Mods overheard another car being worked on playing the same channel.
Ah, so more of a lucky break.

Still seemed to be wearing the bald wig.
Those things almost never work unless the guy is practically bald anyway. :rommie:

This was the season when they started to do that...I read that it was because Marty Paich took over music for the show. His son, David, who was working on the music with him, went on to become a founding member of Toto.
Ah, I like one of their songs. :rommie:

Why not? He was a career officer who'd gotten to major.
But having combat fatigue implies that he's still in combat-- so if he served with Ed seven years ago that means he's been in combat for eight years. Obviously I've demonstrated that I know nothing about the military, but that seems excessive.

Resisting arrest and failure to identify himself.
Resisting arrest for getting mugged?

They were there to inform Ed's view.
I know, but it felt unresolved-- especially when he left Nervous Guy to Wolf's tender mercies. :rommie:

I should have worked in that when we met the patrol officers in their car before they arrested Ed, they were also given bits of humanizing personal business. Dewey was losing sleep over a sick kid and Buckner wanted a transfer to the motor pool apparently, not being comfortable with the weight of the badge. So I guess the idea was to show that these people were sympathetically human.
Ah, okay. They needed that.

He was the catalyst who informed the whole journey. His words played in Ed's head at several points in the episode.
Yeah, but it made the story feel lopsided that he kicked off the story and then disappeared-- they should have gotten back together in the coda, with some profound words about seeing things from the other side or whatever.

That said, I was anticipating a more direct role from the way the muggers swooped in and seemed to purposefully relieve Ed of his identity, without batting an eyelash when it would have become evident that their victim was a cop...which makes them pretty stupid for not moving their operation elsewhere, as under other circumstances the heat would have been on them pretty fast.
Yeah, they really should have found a new restaurant or something. :rommie:

It's otherwise such an aggressively generic costume that the plunging neckline is its defining feature. "I've been forced to question everything that I thought I stood for and am no longer sure who I am...plus I've always wanted to show off my chest."
I never really thought about his chest. :rommie: I assume that the aggressively generic costume was to emphasize his loss of Cap-ness.

Even on a huge ship like that, they squeeze functionality out of every space available. She had a crew of up to 2,500 and lots of large machinery.
So the captain's quarters didn't have a fire pit and an open bar? :D
 
Those things almost never work unless the guy is practically bald anyway. :rommie:
Actually, it looks like I was mistaken concerning the bald wig. On closer examination and comparing it with other pictures of Gossett in his signature look, it seems that he had some sort of mark on his forehead that at first glance I mistook for a bad wig tell. Can't say that I'd ever noticed it before.
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Ah, I like one of their songs. :rommie:
I'm getting The Other Thread deja vu...so I'm going to say that I would have guessed "Africa" then, but was wrong.

But having combat fatigue implies that he's still in combat-- so if he served with Ed seven years ago that means he's been in combat for eight years. Obviously I've demonstrated that I know nothing about the military, but that seems excessive.
He could have been in and out of combat duty during that time. He was, after all, Stateside during the episode.

I know, but it felt unresolved-- especially when he left Nervous Guy to Wolf's tender mercies. :rommie:
Wolf was out cold at that point.

Ah, okay. They needed that.
OTOH, it seems like they put too much effort into the desk sergeant for his very limited role in what was happening...he was pretty much just a functionary who got Ed's situation in progress dumped in his lamp for a scene. It seemed a bit excessive to give us a scene revolving around him that involved bringing in two more guest actors...it felt like filler.

Also odd is that Ging and Solari were the second and third highest-billed guests (behind Don Stroud), making the episode title-accompanying credits. Their role in the overall story wasn't that large.

Yeah, they really should have found a new restaurant or something. :rommie:
It was more of a shady area (figuratively speaking) near the base in the direction of the restaurant.

The wordless exchange between Ed and the Chief:
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So the captain's quarters didn't have a fire pit and an open bar? :D
Heck no! A relatively modest private cabin...see the first picture when you scroll down here:
USS Massachusetts BB-59: Access to Spaces Behind Locked Hatches

It seems that Get will soon be showing the pilot movie for Ironside, so I'll have to work that in at an appropriate point!
 
Even on a huge ship like that, they squeeze functionality out of every space available. She had a crew of up to 2,500 and lots of large machinery.

So the captain's quarters didn't have a fire pit and an open bar?

I know that one of the Iowa class battleships, possibly New Jersey, was constructed with a larger "Admirals" cabin, to house Admiral Halsey and his staff.
Admiral Spruance flew his flag from the heavy cruiser USS Indianapolis which was equipped with a larger command and control/ops room than other cruisers; and Admiral Mitscher could usually be found on the Essex class carrier USS Lexington for the same reason.

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Actually, it looks like I was mistaken concerning the bald wig. On closer examination and comparing it with other pictures of Gossett in his signature look, it seems that he had some sort of mark on his forehead that at first glance I mistook for a bad wig tell. Can't say that I'd ever noticed it before.
Awkward! :rommie:

I'm getting The Other Thread deja vu...so I'm going to say that I would have guessed "Africa" then, but was wrong.
I don't recall that conversation, but if you guessed "Africa" you were right. :D

He could have been in and out of combat duty during that time. He was, after all, Stateside during the episode.
I guess. No wonder he had combat fatigue. Kids got lifelong PTSD from one tour of duty.

Wolf was out cold at that point.
Oh, good. I hope he stayed that way. :rommie:

It seemed a bit excessive to give us a scene revolving around him that involved bringing in two more guest actors...it felt like filler.
Yeah, the actors were part of what made it seem like it would be important.

It was more of a shady area (figuratively speaking) near the base in the direction of the restaurant.
Okay, I was just picturing it wrong. :rommie:

Love it. :D

Heck no! A relatively modest private cabin...see the first picture when you scroll down here:
USS Massachusetts BB-59: Access to Spaces Behind Locked Hatches
That's great. I can really relate to that opening sentence. :rommie: It's amazing how much stuff has just been sitting around for decades, stuff that even the curator hasn't seen before-- I wonder if there are any personal items left behind by the crew.

It seems that Get will soon be showing the pilot movie for Ironside, so I'll have to work that in at an appropriate point!
Ah, that will be cool.

I know that one of the Iowa class battleships, possibly New Jersey, was constructed with a larger "Admirals" cabin, to house Admiral Halsey and his staff.
To say nothing of Uncle Albert! :D
 
I don't recall that conversation, but if you guessed "Africa" you were right. :D
Huh.

Oh, good. I hope he stayed that way. :rommie:
Also, in the aftermath nervous guy was out and about to run into Ed as he was taking his exchange prisoner out, so he may have been released.

Yeah, the actors were part of what made it seem like it would be important.
And the same beat could have been played with a one-sided phone conversation and/or a bit of exposition to a character who was already in the scene.

Ah, that will be cool.
The one episode of Branded that I haven't seen is also coming up.
 
Great video, too.

Also, in the aftermath nervous guy was out and about to run into Ed as he was taking his exchange prisoner out, so he may have been released.
Okay, that's a bit of a resolution for him.

And the same beat could have been played with a one-sided phone conversation and/or a bit of exposition to a character who was already in the scene.
Right, exactly.

The one episode of Branded that I haven't seen is also coming up.
Ah, more pummeling ahead! :D
 
Great video, too.
That's the Paich kid front and center on lead vocals.
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"I seek to cure what's deep inside / Frightened of this thing that I become" always reminded me of the Hulk...that probably came up.

Ah, more pummeling ahead! :D
We can only hope.
 
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