The Classic/Retro Pop Culture Thread

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  1. The Old Mixer

    The Old Mixer Mih ssim, mih ssim, nam, daed si Xim. Moderator

    Feb 4, 2002
    The Old Mixer, Somewhere in Connecticut

    Jim was already diverging into recording spoken poetry, which was released in the late '70s as An American Prayer. I was under the impression that he wasn't likely to stick with the band much longer.
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  2. DarrenTR1970

    DarrenTR1970 Captain Captain

    Aug 1, 2015
    Bothell, WA
  3. RJDiogenes

    RJDiogenes Idealistic Cynic and Canon Champion Premium Member

    Jun 11, 2003
    RJDiogenes of Boston
    That was a pretty good trick, unless the helpers were plants.

    That's cool.

    Nice touch, but it will probably be confiscated.

    So what was the idea of tying Jason to the tree? Bait?

    Are these guys Vulcans or what?

    No last-minute sparing of the opponent in this one.

    Not so. He might get a spinoff called Old West Fugitive.

    A grim, but well done story. Idealism versus reality, with incremental success at best. I like how they didn't dodge the no-win scenario imposed by the chief. I'm wondering if Jason will meet him again, or if it was intended that he meet him again.

    Nice. :rommie:

    Fill me no glass, grant me no favor, write me no poetry.

    "You still had half your planes!"

    This seems a bit heavy handed, unless I'm missing a nuance or two.

    Somebody should remind them of Baron von Steuben's commentary on American soldiers. :rommie:

    Hah. More heavy water and atomic adventures.

    Kind of an interesting study on military politics, I guess, but the court martial just didn't seem justified in the slightest.

    That's ridiculous. Chicken Men live on Mars.

    That's why he turned to science! To find a cure for his alcohol allergy!

    Too bad the US military wasn't tracking the capsule or the sub. :rommie:

    You'd think Artie would have invented an intra-nasal gas filter by now.

    * Round of applause *

    Which gives Jim an upper age limit of 35, but probably a good five years less.

    Two faces. This is why I love Loveless. :rommie:

    TMI! :scream:

    Shirtless, I presume.

    I think his descendants are still working on that.

    Now this is the kind of confusion that we want in our evil double stories.

    The jail hasn't been built that can hold Migelito Loveless!

    Burkhalter's got to be a double agent or else he would have plugged Hogan on the spot. :rommie:

    Must be in a neighborhood where the State Department never goes-- although that's at odds with the title sequence.

    I have a feeling that this was the whole inspiration for the story. :rommie:

    I didn't recognize it by name, but I immediately knew it. It used to get a lot of play on BCN back in the day.
  4. The Old Mixer

    The Old Mixer Mih ssim, mih ssim, nam, daed si Xim. Moderator

    Feb 4, 2002
    The Old Mixer, Somewhere in Connecticut
    Ray Manzarek was a very talented sideman...he used to fill in on vocals on occasions when Jim was in no shape to perform, while also doing his keyboard parts with one hand and keyboard bass with the other. But he was no Jim Morrison, and certainly couldn't compete with the memory of Jim Morrison.

    Yeah, think I covered that last week.

    The chief? Probably not. We'll just get more random people who were at Bitter Creek, or knew someone who was at Bitter Creek, or claim to have been at Bitter Creek...

    Of course, I'm just giving a brief summary, there was more business going on in the scene...I think Britt was taken aside, the Gallaghers were on the phone with Implied Jack Lord...

    What was that?

    In this case, it was all motivated by how super-important yet super-secret the target was; but yeah, they typically abort for much less without consequences.

    The five years less actually matches Conrad's age at the time, so that works.

    Actually, I don't think he was...


    Interesting...wouldn't have thought of that as a song with a radio history.
  5. TREK_GOD_1

    TREK_GOD_1 Vice Admiral Admiral

    May 24, 2006
    Escaped from Delta Vega
    Yes, "Touch Me" was the Doors' rise to new artistic heights. :bolian:

    If/when Morrison left, I would have loved to see the long-spread idea (or myth) of Eric Burdon replacing him actually happen.
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  6. RJDiogenes

    RJDiogenes Idealistic Cynic and Canon Champion Premium Member

    Jun 11, 2003
    RJDiogenes of Boston
    Oh. Oops. For some reason, I thought he was to be left to die of exposure.

    "I am the Chief's son and I have vowed...."

    von Steuben was a military advisor that General Washington brought in to whip the Revolutionary Army into shape. He said, "The genius of this nation is not in the least to be compared with that of the Prussian, Austrians, or French. You say to your soldier 'Do this and he doeth it,' but I am obliged to say to the American: 'This is the reason why you ought to do that,' and then he does it.'"

    Loveless must have been aware of the effect his chest has on female minions. :rommie:

    Maybe it was just a BCN thing. I never thought about it much, but I remember the music and the bit about "Never been so broke that I couldn't leave town." I would have assumed it was a single.

    The Pet Doors? :D
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  7. The Old Mixer

    The Old Mixer Mih ssim, mih ssim, nam, daed si Xim. Moderator

    Feb 4, 2002
    The Old Mixer, Somewhere in Connecticut

    70 Years Ago This Season


    Timeline entries are quoted from the Wiki page for the year. Sections separated from timeline entries are mine.


    July 5 – William Shockley, John Bardeen and Walter Brattain, of Bell Labs, announce the invention of the grown-junction transistor. Same year, General Electric and RCA develop alloy-junction transistor.

    July 10 – Korean War: Armistice negotiations begin at Kaesong.

    July 13
    • The Great Flood of 1951 reaches its highest point in northeast Kansas, culminating in the greatest flood damage to date in the Midwestern United States.
    • MGM's Technicolor film version of Show Boat, starring Kathryn Grayson, Ava Gardner and Howard Keel, premieres at Radio City Music Hall in New York City. The musical brings overnight fame to bass-baritone William Warfield (who sings "Ol' Man River" in the film).

    July 14 – In Diamond, Missouri, the George Washington Carver National Monument becomes the first United States National Monument to honor an African American.

    July 26 – Walt Disney's 13th animated film, Alice in Wonderland, premieres in London, United Kingdom.


    On July 28, "Come on-a My House" by Rosemary Clooney tops the Billboard Best Sellers in Stores chart.


    July 30 – David Lean's [1948] film of Oliver Twist is finally shown in the United States, after 10 minutes of supposedly anti-Semitic references and closeups of Alec Guinness as Fagin are cut. It will not be shown uncut in the U.S. until 1970.

    August 12 – J. D. Salinger's coming-of-age story The Catcher in the Rye is first published in the United States.


    On August 14, A Place in the Sun, starring Elizabeth Taylor, Montgomery Clift, and Shelley Winters, premieres in Los Angeles.


    August 31 – The first Volkswagen Type 1 [a.k.a. the Beetle] rolls off the production line in Uitenhage, South Africa.


    Also in August, "Moanin' at Midnight," the debut single of blues legend Howlin' Wolf, is released.


    September 3 – American soap opera Search for Tomorrow debuts on CBS.

    September 8
    • Treaty of San Francisco: In San Francisco, 48 representatives out of 51 attending sign a peace treaty with Japan, formally ending the Pacific War; the delegations of the Soviet Union, Poland and Czechoslovakia do not sign the treaty, instead favoring separate treaties.
    • The Japan-U.S. Security Treaty, which allows United States Armed Forces to be stationed in Japan after the occupation of Japan, is signed by Japan and the United States.


    Also on September 8, "Because of You" by Tony Bennett tops the Billboard Best Sellers in Stores chart.


    September 18
    • 20th Century Fox [premieres] the Robert Wise science fiction film The Day the Earth Stood Still in the United States.

    • Elia Kazan's adaptation of the Tennessee Williams play A Streetcar Named Desire premieres, becoming a critical and box-office smash.

    September 26–28 – A blue sun is seen over Europe: the effect is due to ash coming from the Canadian forest fires 4 months previously.


    On September 26, An American in Paris, starring Gene Kelly and Leslie Caron, is given a limited US release.


    I'm still not getting it, particularly in relation to the episode.
  8. RJDiogenes

    RJDiogenes Idealistic Cynic and Canon Champion Premium Member

    Jun 11, 2003
    RJDiogenes of Boston
    Paving the way for Tony Stark's transistor-powered armor.


    Geez, no wonder the poor guy became a desert hermit. :(

    Dude, answer the phone. It's Rosemary Clooney.

    Not on the list of precursors to Rock'n'Roll, I take it.

    Now there's some A-Grade cinematic SF.

    Suddenly, Shatner looks good. :rommie:

    Wow. That only happens once in a blue moon.

    Just saying that they shouldn't be keeping secrets from the men who are on the mission.
  9. The Old Mixer

    The Old Mixer Mih ssim, mih ssim, nam, daed si Xim. Moderator

    Feb 4, 2002
    The Old Mixer, Somewhere in Connecticut
    55 Years Ago This Week

    July 3
    • 31 people are arrested when a demonstration by approximately 4,000 anti-Vietnam War protesters in front of the United States Embassy in London in Grosvenor Square turns violent.
    • René Barrientos is elected President of Bolivia.
    • The Beatles fly from Tokyo to Manila, the Philippines, via a re-fuelling stop in Hong Kong.

    July 4
    • North Vietnam declares general mobilization.
    • American President Lyndon B. Johnson signs the Freedom of Information Act, which goes into effect the following year.
    • The Congress of Racial Equality (CORE) endorses the goal of Black Power at a well attended convention in Baltimore, Maryland. Martin Luther King Jr. and Roy Wilkins criticize this declaration.
    • The Beatles are expected at Malacañang Palace, Manila, at 11 a.m. They do not appear. Afternoon and evening concerts before a total of 100,000 fans at the Rizal Memorial Football Stadium, Manila.

    July 5
    • Lewisohn: Big problems for the Beatles in the Philippines, when they are accused of snubbing the Marcos family by not turning up at the palace after they had been specially invited. Fearing for their lives, and running the gauntlet amid baying and visibly angry Filipinos, the Beatles scramble aboard a flight to New Delhi, India.
    • Wiki: On their way back home after their Asian concert tour, The Beatles arrived in India for the first time, after having experimented with Indian instruments such as the sitar. Earlier in the day, they had been permitted to depart the Philippines, where they had faced a hostile reception from the government and the public, and flew from Manila to Delhi. During their two-day stay, there was minimal protection from the police as thousands of fans followed them everywhere.
    • Public shares of the fast food magnate McDonald's Corporation began trading on the New York Stock Exchange, with 2,587,000 shares of common stock for the 11-year-old restaurant chain that had 800 locations, and opening at $32 per share. Over five years, with stock splits and increasing prices on more shares, the value of an investment made that day would increase to 68.75 times its original worth within six years, so that an original $32 investment would be worth $2,200.

    July 6
    • The Hanoi March was conducted, with 52 American prisoners of war (POWs) forced to walk for two miles through the streets of the capital of North Vietnam to be shown off before tens of thousands of North Vietnamese civilians. The action came in the wake of the bombing raids near Hanoi a week earlier. The U.S. servicemen were drawn from two prison camps, with 16 from the Briarpatch at Xom Ap Lo and 36 from "The Zoo" at Cu Loc. They were chained in pairs, and were paraded along Tràng Tiền Street, and then along Hàng Bông and Nguyễn Thái Học streets in front of an increasingly angry mob. Over the next hour, many of the men were beaten by civilians as the planned event went out of control before the group finally reached the relative safety of the Hàng Đây Stadium, before being returned to the prison camps. Among the 52 were U.S. Navy pilot (and future U.S. Senator) Jeremiah Denton of Alabama, U.S. Air Force Captain Charles G. Boyd (who would retire in 1995 as a four-star general), and U.S. Navy pilot Everett Alvarez, Jr., who would spend more than eight years in captivity.
    • Malawi becomes a republic.

    July 7
    • Air-to-air missiles were used in combat for the first time as American F-105 fighters found themselves being fired upon by rockets from two MiG-21 jets in the skies over North Vietnam.
    • A Warsaw Pact conference ends with a promise to support North Vietnam.

    July 8
    • King Mwambutsa IV Bangiriceng of Burundi is deposed by his son Ntare V, who is in turn deposed by prime minister Michel Micombero.
    • Prime Minister Harold Wilson of the United Kingdom and Prime Minister Georges Pompidou of France concluded three days of conferences in London with the announcement that the two nations had agreed to construct a 21-mile-long (34 km) tunnel underneath the English Channel in order to link the two nations.
    • Horst Fischer, who had taken part in selecting people to be slaughtered at Auschwitz in the 1940s, is executed in East Germany.
    • Having rested for three days at New Delhi the Beatles return home to London Airport.

    Selections from Billboard's Hot 100 for the week:

    Leaving the chart:
    • "Crying," Jay & The Americans (6 weeks)
    • "Green Grass," Gary Lewis & The Playboys (8 weeks)
    • "Mama," B. J. Thomas (8 weeks)
    • "When a Man Loves a Woman," Percy Sledge (13 weeks)

    New on the chart:

    "Wade in the Water," Ramsey Lewis Trio

    (#19 US; #11 AC; #3 R&B; #31 UK)

    "This Door Swings Both Ways," Herman's Hermits

    (#12 US; #18 UK)

    "Mother's Little Helper," The Rolling Stones

    (#8 US)

    "See You in September," The Happenings

    (#3 US)


    Timeline entries are quoted from the Wiki pages for the month or year and Mark Lewisohn's The Beatles Day by Day, with minor editing as needed.


    Nope, but it is in my collection.

    Nah, he's no Brando.

    So you're in agreement with Gallagher always wanting to blab classified info to his men?
  10. RJDiogenes

    RJDiogenes Idealistic Cynic and Canon Champion Premium Member

    Jun 11, 2003
    RJDiogenes of Boston
    Yesterday was kind of a weird day. I finished up my last loose ends, got some more nice messages from colleagues and patients, and then I went in to HQ to drop off my equipment and turn in my badge. Then I went back to my apartment and suddenly there's white smoke coming in under the door. The next thing I know I wake up in this idyllic little village on the coast. It's pretty nice.

    I wonder what King would think of the current era. No, actually, I don't wonder at all. :rommie:

    Three of them and not one can sing? I usually remember the instrumentals to some degree, but this doesn't ring a bell at all.

    I don't think I don't I know this one either but it's not bad.

    The Stones at their peak.

    Oldies Radio Classic. And sounds like the 50s. :D

    I never got the Brando appeal.

    Pretty much and for the most part, yeah.
  11. Shaka Zulu

    Shaka Zulu Commodore Commodore

    Mar 28, 2013
    Bulawayo Military Krral
    Both this song and Let It Be kind of sum up the end of both the Beatles and Simon & Garfunkel, IMHO.

    Which a few people have condemned over the years as Simon 'stealing' from other cultures just to make music (case in point, this article and this interview with Steven Van Zandt, both of which discuss Graceland.)

    Haven't heard the first one mentioned, should check it out.

    The first side closes with a sharp turn back into eclecticville, the Garfunkel-sung "So Long, Frank Lloyd Wright".

    One of Paul's best.

    I wonder if that's on YouTube along with other SNL stuff?

    Next is the the previous song's B-side, "Baby Driver" (charted Apr. 12, 1969; #101 US)...which is perfectly enjoyable in its own way, but it ain't no "Boxer".

    Following that is "The Only Living Boy in New York," which will serve as the B-side of "Cecilia":[/quote]

    Again, have to check those out.

    Again, I have to check the rest of this album out.
  12. The Old Mixer

    The Old Mixer Mih ssim, mih ssim, nam, daed si Xim. Moderator

    Feb 4, 2002
    The Old Mixer, Somewhere in Connecticut
    50 Years Ago This Week

    July 4
    • Michael S. Hart posts the first e-book, a copy of the United States Declaration of Independence, on the University of Illinois at Urbana–Champaign's mainframe computer, the origin of Project Gutenberg.
    • The first plane lands at Seychelles International Airport in Victoria, Seychelles (Mahe).

    July 5 – The 26th Amendment to the United States Constitution, formally certified by President Richard Nixon, lowers the voting age from 21 to 18.

    July 6
    • Hastings Banda is proclaimed President for Life of Malawi.
    • Died: Louis Armstrong, 69, American jazz trumpeter and singer

    July 9
    • U.S. National Security Adviser Henry Kissinger made a secret trip to the People's Republic of China after boarding a jet in Pakistan, part of his itinerary for an official worldwide "fact finding trip" and diplomatic visit to Asian nations. On its flight to Pakistan, Kissinger's plane turned north and flew to Beijing, where he met with Chinese Prime Minister Zhou Enlai for three days. While Kissinger was in China, the international press in Pakistan was told that Kissinger was "temporarily incapacitated by a stomach ailment" and staying in "a mountain resort in the hills of northeast Pakistan" overnight. The visit was disclosed six days later by U.S. President Nixon.
    • The United Kingdom increases its troops in Northern Ireland to 11,000.
    • The funeral of Louis Armstrong was attended by 500 people at the Corona Congregational Church in New York City. "When the Saints Go Marching In", his theme tune, was played at the service, and Peggy Lee sang The Lord's Prayer. A crowd of 2,000 people gathered outside the church for what the New York Times described as "to ogle the invited celebrities".
    • July 10–11 – Coup attempt in Morocco: 1,400 cadets take over the king's palace for three hours and kill 28 people; 158 rebels die when the king's troops storm the palace (ten high-ranking officers are later executed for involvement).

    Selections from Billboard's Hot 100 for the week:

    Leaving the chart:
    • "Bridge Over Troubled Water" / "Brand New Me", Aretha Franklin (12 weeks)
    • "I Don't Know How to Love Him," Helen Reddy (20 weeks)
    • "I'll Meet You Halfway," The Partridge Family (9 weeks)
    • "Joy to the World," Three Dog Night (17 weeks)

    Re-entering the chart:

    "I've Found Someone of My Own," The Free Movement

    New on the chart:

    "Maybe Tomorrow," Jackson 5

    (#20 US; #3 R&B)

    "What the World Needs Now Is Love / Abraham, Martin & John," Tom Clay

    (#8 US; #32 R&B)

    "Liar," Three Dog Night

    (#7 US)


    Timeline entries are quoted from the Wiki pages for the month or year.


    At least they have wi-fi.

    BTW...why did you resign!?!

    This is a nice little number, and I can remember how it goes.

    The latest in the Hermits' long list of hits that oldies radio forgot...often with good reason.

    Indeed. I'm usually the first one to point out where the Stones are shadowing the Beatles, but I can't think of an example here. Doing an out-and-out drug song seems pretty edgy at this point; and "Dr. Robert" just now became available in the States, and has yet to be released in the UK.

    A seasonal classic in particular...and it sounds like the Four Seasons, I'll give you that much.

    I'm not a fan, but he clearly had an "It factor" that the Shat could only dream of.

    Maybe that explains your new accommodations... :p

    Something that I could never agree with. An entire genre of music can never be "stolen"...and artists should be free to follow their muse wherever it may take them geographically.

    Paul McCartney faced similar allegations when Wings chose to record Band on the Run in Lagos, Nigeria, on a whim (and I think as a tax dodge).

    BTW, something went awry with your quote-tagging in that post.
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  13. scotpens

    scotpens Professional Geek Premium Member

    Nov 29, 2009
    The Left Coast
    Co-written by future Chipmunk daddy Ross Bagdasarian (better known as David Seville) and his cousin, the Pulitzer Prize-winning author William Saroyan.
  14. RJDiogenes

    RJDiogenes Idealistic Cynic and Canon Champion Premium Member

    Jun 11, 2003
    RJDiogenes of Boston
    Well, that's cool!

    That was pretty young, even then. "What a Wonderful World" is a great song and his performance is hypnotic.

    I don't think I know this. It does sound like the Jacksons.

    Wow, I never heard this before for sure. The idea of stirring in quotes and news items with "Abraham, Martin, and John" is brilliant. Unfortunately, the use of the child and the army stuff really compromises it. It also didn't really need "What the World Needs Now," either, but that's fine.

    This is one of my favorites from one of my favorite bands.

    Hah! Nice try!

    Not only that, but in the midst of the Counterculture Era, they framed it in the context of middle-class suburbia. I love it.

    Well, that much is true.

    Good point. :guffaw:

    Indeed. These people do not understand what culture is and how it brings people together, nor do they understand the melting pot. Ironically, this sort of thing always reminds me of the time that a record company tried to sue John Fogarty for sounding like John Fogarty. :rommie:
  15. The Old Mixer

    The Old Mixer Mih ssim, mih ssim, nam, daed si Xim. Moderator

    Feb 4, 2002
    The Old Mixer, Somewhere in Connecticut
    55th Anniversary Album Spotlight

    Pet Sounds
    The Beach Boys
    Released May 16, 1966
    Chart debut: May 28, 1966
    Chart peak: #10 (July 2, 1966)
    #2 on Rolling Stone's 500 Greatest Albums of All Time (2003)
    The album consists entirely of original material with the exception of "Sloop John B," a traditional song arranged here by Brian Wilson. The original songs are largely credited to Brian Wilson and advertising jingle writer Tony Asher, with a couple of solo Wilson compositions and a smattering of credited contributions from others such as Mike Love (who went to court well after the fact for at least some of those).

    The album opens on a commercial note, with one of its most recognizable numbers, classic hit "Wouldn't It Be Nice" (charts July 30, 1966; #8 US), featuring vocals by Brian Wilson and Mike Love:

    The album goes more esoteric with the Brian-sung "You Still Believe in Me," which was the product of Asher's tryout as his lyricist.
    Paul McCartney, who was so inspired by this album that he went and made Sgt. Pepper, has cited this as one of his favorite tracks.

    Mike Love takes the vocal forefront with "That's Not Me".

    Brian is the only Beach Boy performing on the ethereal "Don't Talk (Put Your Head on My Shoulder)".

    "I'm Waiting for the Day," also sung by Brian, comes on a little more brashly.

    Each side's penultimate number is an instrumental. For side one, it's "Let's Go Away for Awhile," on which no Beach Boys actually performed...not even Brian.

    The side ends as it began, with an uber-classic single sung by Brian and Mike, "Sloop John B" (charted Apr. 22, 1966; #3 US; #2 UK; #271 on Rolling Stone's 500 Greatest Songs of All Time):

    The album's strongest, most memorable tracks are definitely the side openers and closers. Case in point: the breathtakingly gorgeous "God Only Knows" (B-side of "Wouldn't It Be Nice"; charts Aug. 13, 1966; #39 US; #2 UK, where it was the A-side; #25 on Rolling Stone's 500 Greatest Songs of All Time).

    If you can pull yourself away from listening to that over and over, the next track is "I Know There's an Answer," originally titled "Hang On to Your Ego".

    Love takes the lead again for "Here Today".

    "I Just Wasn't Made for These Times," on the other hand, is pure Brian Wilson...and I can relate, though he was concerned with feeling that he was meant to be farther in the future. (Hey, 1966 Brian, let's swap!)

    (And yeah, one of those instruments definitely makes me picture the ol' C-57D in flight...)

    The albums second instrumental is also, somewhat arbitrarily, its title track, "Pet Sounds".

    The album closes with the haunting "Caroline, No" (charted Mar. 26, 1966, as a Brian Wilson single; #32 US; #211 on Rolling Stone's 500 Greatest Songs of All Time):

    And according to Brian himself, that bit of business with his dogs was indeed the inspiration for the album's title. (The cover shoot, which had already been done, was based on an earlier working title, Our Freaky Friends.)

    I recall that when I first listened to the whole album a few years ago, I was pretty impressed...but revisiting it for review purposes, with more immersive context behind it--including The Beach Boys Today!--I struggled a bit more with it. I can see why the critics didn't take as much notice when it first came out. For one thing, the ground for it had definitely been laid on that prior album; for Pet Sounds, Wilson was essentially taking its more ambitious tracks and making an entire LP in that vein. And while the idea was to make a uniformly outstanding album, the familiar single tracks still stand well above the rest of the contents, such that you really are getting the best of the album on a good hits compilation. At the risk of ending on too Beatle-centric a note, I come away with the impression that this album--which according to the narrative of its voluminous Wiki page didn't start to be routinely hailed as a masterpiece until well into the '90s--owes a lot of its pop-cultural cachet to having been the readily acknowledged inspiration for album that, unlike Pet Sounds, did have an immediate and profound impact on the industry.



    After three #1's and two #2's, they're taking a sharp turn into more obscure single releases here.

    Really? This got oldies radio airplay in my neck. I think the whole package works pretty well...if anything, the actual performance of "Abraham, Martin and John" is a little schmaltzy. But overall, very sign o' the times I was coming to awareness in...that kid couldn't have been much older than I was. And she's the best part!

    Also a surprise, as despite this already being in my collection, I have zero familiarity with it. And it doesn't stand out compared to their prior major hits.

    Well, the hippie / flower power phenomenon hasn't broken out with the general public at this point.
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  16. RJDiogenes

    RJDiogenes Idealistic Cynic and Canon Champion Premium Member

    Jun 11, 2003
    RJDiogenes of Boston
    I had no idea. No wonder it's so different from their other stuff.

    That's a goodie.

    What interests me is these little tidbits about the unconventional ways that they made the music, like the bobby pin thing and the orange juice cups and whatever. Being musically stupid, I frequently have no idea what's making all these sounds I hear, unless it's something obvious like a guitar or drum. For example, that cool sliding sound in Elton John's "Island Girl"-- I wondered for years how they did that until Wikipedia came along. On the other hand, there's that exquisite little squirt of music at the beginning of the Staple Singers' "Let's Do It Again" and Wiki has been no help whatsoever. :rommie:

    Mountain Boys? Prairie Boys? Forest Boys? Desert Boys?

    Good song, but who knew all that weird stuff was going on in there? :rommie:

    I can dig it, although I still hold out hope for the farther future-- although at this point I'm getting dangerously close to needing faith. :rommie:

    My favorite saucer. The unfortunate thing is that the soundtrack to Forbidden Planet was created electronically, but not with a Theremin-- which made the creators (I think it was a husband-and-wife team) ineligible for any music awards.

    Interesting that it was intended as a James Bond movie theme. It would have worked okay, I think.

    That's cute. If they hadn't renamed the instrumental, it would have been cuter, making a nice little finishing stroke for the masterpiece. Not that it didn't, but I think it would have made for more of an "Ah!" than a "Huh?"

    I like that title. :rommie:

    Very interesting. There's definitely a regional component to what made the Oldies playlist. Now to me it's the kid who's overly schmaltzy and a bit manipulative-- plus the fact that I don't buy that childhood innocence thing. Kids run on unfiltered instinct and even the nicest by nature need to be taught civilization.

    That's funny. This may be the song that made me notice Three Dog Night as a band-- the ethereal, almost alien, music punctuated by the cries of raw anguish really grabbed my notice. It's kind of a time travel song for me, although not as vividly as some others, but it does bring back a specific image and I associate it with early Star Trek viewing.

    True, it's still early.
  17. DarrenTR1970

    DarrenTR1970 Captain Captain

    Aug 1, 2015
    Bothell, WA
    Good Vibrations (Early Take) - Smiley Smile - YouTube

    The one song The Old Mixer forgot to mention that was recorded during the 'Pet Sounds' sessions was this early version of 'Good Vibrations', with lyrics by Tony Asher.

    The story's changed over the years as to whether or not this version, sometimes called 'The Wilson Pickett' version, was intended for the album or not. There is a Capitol memo with a preliminary track-listing that indicated that at one point the song, then titled 'Good Good Good Vibrations', was, in place of 'Sloop John B'. Then there's another memo from Brian/Capitol that 'Good Vibrations' was not to be included as it wasn't finished to Brian's satisfaction. Another story says that Capitol wanted 'Sloop John B' on the album as it was the current single and 'Good Vibrations' was sacrificed.

    Either way, it's probably a good thing that Brian decided to leave it off 'Pet Sounds'. To my ears it sounds 'unfinished' compared to the other tracks on the album. It most likely would have been regarded as one of the 'lesser' album tracks.

    One can hear the seeds of a good song and even at this point it has the 'electro-theremin' hook; it's missing the modular structure that the finished version has.

    When Brian resurrected 'SMiLE' in 2004, he used a combination of Tony Asher verses and Mike Love's chorus lyrics for 'Good Vibrations', which can be found on 'Brian Wilson Presents "SMiLE"'.

    One other note, supposedly Dennis Wilson was going to sing the song, but, either couldn't be bothered to show up in the studio the day the final vocals were recorded, and Carl took his place; or, Dennis took one pass at it, then left to go surfing. No known version with Dennis on vocals has turned up in the vaults.

    Edit to add -

    Good Vibrations (Alternate Take) - YouTube

    This is my preferred version of the chorus. I like Brian's enthusiasm when he sings 'Yeah' and a little more of the 'electro-theremin' in the mix.
    Last edited: Jul 6, 2021
  18. DarrenTR1970

    DarrenTR1970 Captain Captain

    Aug 1, 2015
    Bothell, WA
    12-July 1965
    Sloop John B. [Take 14 - Master w/o 12-String Guitar Overdub]

    Don't Talk (Put Your Head On My Shoulder) [Take One]

    Run James Run (aka “Pet Sounds”) [Take 3 - Master Stereo Backing Track w/o Leslie'd Guitar Overdub]

    Sloop John B. [Vocals - Brian Sings Lead Throughout]

    Sloop John B. [w/12-String Guitar Overdub/Carl Sings First Verse]

    Let's Go Away For A While [Take 18 - Master]

    Let's Go Away For A While [String Overdub]

    Wouldn't It Be Nice [Take 21 - Master]

    You Still Believe In Me [Take 23 - Master]

    Caroline, No [Take 17 - Master w/Original Speed Vocal]

    Caroline, No [Overdubs]

    Caroline, No [Mixing]

    Hang On To Your Ego [Take 12 - Master w/Vocal]

    Hang On To Your Ego (aka "I Know There's An Answer") [Take 21 - Vocals]

    Don't Talk (Put Your Head On My Shoulder) [Unknown Takes – Master w/Vocals]

    I Just Wasn't Made For These Times [Take 6 - Master]

    That's Not Me [Take 15 - Master w/Vocals]

    Good Good Good Vibrations [Take 28 - Master w/Vocals]

    I'm Waiting For The Day [Take 14 - Master w/o String Overdubs]

    I'm Waiting For The Day [Vocals w/String Overdubs]

    God Only Knows [Take 20 - Master w/o String Overdub]
    God Only Knows [Take 20 w/Take 19 edit piece - Master w/String Overdubs]

    I'm Waiting For The Day [Vocals]
    Wouldn't It Be Nice [Vocals]
    I Just Wasn't Made For These Times [Vocals]
    God Only Knows [Vocals]

    Good Good Good Vibrations (aka "Here Today") [Ten Takes]

    Here Today [Take 20 - Master]
    I'm Waiting For The Day [Mike Sings Lead Vocals]
    God Only Knows [Sax Solo]
    God Only Knows [With A Capella Tag]

    Here Today [Take 20 - Master w/Vocals - Take Eleven]

    Don't Talk (Put Your Head On My Shoulder) [String Overdub w/Two Lead Vocals]

    Wouldn't It Be Nice [Vocals]
    God Only Knows [Vocals]

    I Just Wasn't Made For These Times [Second Vocal Overdub]

    Recording data taken from 'The Pet Sounds Sessions' box set.

    i would just like to point out how quickly the backing tracks were recorded. Most in one session; which is remarkable considering Brian would usually come in with a sketch of an idea or a musical fragment and with the help of the 'Wrecking Crew' would flesh it out into a complete song. He would then take the rough mixes away for Tony Asher to listen to and write lyrics.
  19. The Old Mixer

    The Old Mixer Mih ssim, mih ssim, nam, daed si Xim. Moderator

    Feb 4, 2002
    The Old Mixer, Somewhere in Connecticut
    It is interesting after reading what they used to listen for the more unconventional sounding things like the orange juice cups.

    I can tell that they were going for it, but it doesn't work for me as Bond music.

    But you were also old enough to have heard it in its original run, yet apparently didn't.

    Gen X was nothing if not innocent and adorable!

    I didn't forget it; it wasn't on the album.
  20. RJDiogenes

    RJDiogenes Idealistic Cynic and Canon Champion Premium Member

    Jun 11, 2003
    RJDiogenes of Boston
    That's a cool little artifact. I'm glad they continued to evolve it.

    It does make sense that he would sacrifice the one he wasn't satisfied with if they insisted on chopping something.

    I wonder if all the dancing girls would have been California girls.

    Not that I recall, no.