The Classic/Retro Pop Culture Thread

Discussion in 'TV & Media' started by The Old Mixer, Jan 11, 2016.

  1. RJDiogenes

    RJDiogenes Idealistic Cynic and Canon Champion Premium Member

    Jun 11, 2003
    RJDiogenes of Boston
    Well, that's what instinct is. It's like the Fight-or-Flight Syndrome-- something built in that you have to deal with (some people more than others).

    Everything? Mass murder? Going native in hopes of gaining immortality? Locking up McCoy and Spock? Fighting Kirk to the death? Trying to get more weapons to commit more mass murder? What did he do in the episode that wasn't insane?

    They were trying to adapt to making peace with lifelong enemies. Aside from some cute semantics about inalienable rights, which essentially means nothing-- especially in a multi-species Federation-- I don't recall anything that could be considered genuinely racist.

    I would say oversensitive to it, because there was nothing to indicate anything of racism in Decker at all.

    Okay, I'm convinced. The world has not changed a bit since 1919.

    Yup, this is a bad time. Two steps forward and one step back. Expecting linear progression is as naive as expecting four billion years of evolution and ten thousand years of social inertia to be overcome in a week.

    Why in the world would you think it's an easy answer? It's just the only answer and it has very much been successful-- that's how we've made all the progress that you refuse to see.

    And yet it remains a fact.

    Good point. And my Father died of cancer, which means that we've developed absolutely no treatments against the disease and never will.

    I think you must be the only person in the world who watches Star Trek to wallow in its hopeless vision of the future. :rommie: I'm sorry that you have such a dismal view of life and can't see how far we've come in such a short time, the Millennial Generation notwithstanding. I can only hope you take a second look at some point and see what's really going on.

    I guess it's easier to commit armed robbery than face those former co-workers. :rommie:

    Guess she didn't do too well with that.

    Aww. I think I remember that, actually.

    Yeah, that distinctive sound is why I don't think of them as 50s the way I do with other artists and songs.

    I shall reveal nothing that will result in alterations of the timeline.
  2. The Old Mixer

    The Old Mixer Mih ssim, mih ssim, nam, daed si Xim. Moderator


    50th Anniversary Fly-on-the-Wall Listening

    More songs from the Get Back / Let It Be sessions as released on Disc 2 of Anthology 3:

    "Medley: Rip It up/Shake, Rattle and Roll/Blue Suede Shoes"

    (Track 7; Recorded Jan. 26)

    "The Long and Winding Road"

    (Track 8; Rec. Jan. 26)

    "Oh! Darling"

    (Track 9; Rec. Jan. 27; final version was released on Abbey Road)

    "Mailman, Bring Me No More Blues"

    (Track 11; Rec. Jan. 29)

    "Get Back"

    (Track 12; Rec. Jan. 30 from the iconic rooftop performance)

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  3. TREK_GOD_1

    TREK_GOD_1 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    May 24, 2006
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    That's no clinical definition of insanity.

    Because you are not living it to know it when both subtle and overt. From Cartwright's "trash" slur against the Klingons to-

    Uhura: "Did you see the way they ate?"
    Scotty: "They don't place the same value on life that we do, Spock, you know that. ...Take my word. She did not shed one bloody tear."

    Every line of that are known as long lived statements real world racist have repeatedly made against those they resent. Every word, and there's no denying that all of the writers involved with that script / scenes meant to hammer the fact that so-called "evolved" humans were still seasoned, comfortable dealers in racism. Again, one of the key sub-plots of the film, whether you choose to accept it or not..

    I would say a lack of sensitivity and experience in this matter leads you to make that statement.

    Your sarcasm aside, the families of black children and adults who die for reasons having noting to do with a crime or real danger at the hands of everyone from random John and Jane Q. Publics to police officers shooting them in the back (and trying to cover it up), or shooting them while sleeping in a car, or being shot for driving in the "wrong" neighborhood in this era would--and have agreed that its no different than what was happening a century ago. The murder of an individual based on race is no different--only in the fact that its still happening today means society has not progressed as much as some try to argue. But I invite you to go make that argument with those families.

    Yes, just as its naïve to think decades of social programs, billions of dollars, media campaigns and anything else to erase that which is known to be natural to those who believe all under the category of racism, as if it was all as simple as dealing with a teen who fell in with the wrong crowd and can be counseled back on the right track.

    Those who are behind that kind of program believe it to be easy, as such programs are generally designed to provide results in some "timely" manner, based on an arrogant belief in their systems and gross misunderstanding / underestimating what they're dealing with.

    ...and yet the sources I've cited render those programs as being rather ineffective in basic social interactions, media reporting / perception / value determination, the criminal justice system, and in the opinion of the former Attorney General. But yeah, all of that is just wrong and/or trying to see negatives, right?

    More of your sarcasm aside, racism is not something to be treated or "cured," thus it is a poor analogy. Again, talk to those who actually know this / experience it--or live their lives dishing it out against others and learn that there is a universe of difference between disease and something that naturally dictates the course of life/worldview/action--something that was born with mankind in one way or another from the start. Its like trying to "cure" the need to breathe air.

    No, I see a series (TOS) produced during a period of extreme racial conflict and the Cold War for what it was meant to be--and it was not the vision sold in The Next Generation--the very reason TNG was and continues to be criticized for presenting "perfect" people in a "perfect universe." Bland and unrealistic. There would be no criticism if it was not being compared to the far darker universe TOS presented..

    I'm sorry, but you speak like someone without real life experience to know that when endless people--say, black people in the most "fair" country on earth continue to say racism continues to torment and/or destroy their lives--it means your so-called progress is more liberal talking point for the next convention than the reality they know. Unless you're living in that reality, or are intimately involved with the daily victims of it, you are only speaking in unproven generalities.
  4. The Old Mixer

    The Old Mixer Mih ssim, mih ssim, nam, daed si Xim. Moderator

    I feel that I should point out that if this were one of the forums that I moderate, I would have stepped in by now and indicated that the discussion of hot-button, real-world issues belongs in Misc or TNZ (or perhaps PM in this case). It’s a worthy discussion, but has gone well beyond being about Trek or the social issues of the ’60s.
  5. RJDiogenes

    RJDiogenes Idealistic Cynic and Canon Champion Premium Member

    Jun 11, 2003
    RJDiogenes of Boston
    This is my class song, which does not make it one of my favorites. :rommie:

    This is just okay by Beatles standards.

    Interesting, and very short, novelty.

    Very enjoyable. A semi classic, I suppose. By Beatles standards.

    Sure seems like a stable genius to me.

    People say those things about Republicans, Democrats, Atheists, and Trekkies-- or whoever they don't like. Undiscovered Country was a Cold War allegory. The Klingons were Russians. And even if you want to see it as racism, it was portrayed as something they were struggling with, not something endemic to their culture.

    It's just not there:

    The argument that the world is very different than it was in 1919? Okay. Because it is.

    Again, it's not, which is why it takes a long time.

    Anybody I've ever known understands it to be the work of generations. Probably a lot of generations, since some generations are better at it than others.

    More like an inexplicable refusal to see positives.

    As I'm sure you must know, the point of the analogy is that a process is a process is a process.

    Yup, been doing that for more than half a century.

    And yet a cultural phenomenon resulted from people (of all types) seeing that "dark" universe as a hopeful, positive future.

    No, progress is real and well documented-- hardly unproven generalities. And this is indeed my life experience. Among other interesting facts about me, I've worked in health care for over thirty years, most of it in inner city hospitals, so I do "intimately" know the people you're talking about-- as patients, colleagues, co-workers, doctors, nurses, midwives, friends, acquaintances, girlfriends, administrators, teachers, social workers, clergy, whatever. Not that it really matters, since current events and history are far from unproven.

    But Mixer is right, this isn't the place. We'll just have to leave you with your nihilism and me with my silly optimism. We'll both be dead before either of us is proven right anyway. :rommie:

    Point taken. That's it for me.
  6. TREK_GOD_1

    TREK_GOD_1 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    May 24, 2006
    Escaped from Delta Vega
    ...and still, your view does not render Tracey as insane by any measure.

    ^ Hence the charge of insensitivity and a lack of personal experience. The lines from TUC were all about humans' racist beliefs about the "other" and their inability see said "other" as even comparable to themselves--not a political party, fanbase or any other inapplicable reference. The same applies to Decker, and yes, its all there.

    ..and I'm sure you would never dare approach a present day survivor of a loved one who was killed with race as a motivator with that. Not only would be the most wrongheaded thing to say, but murders based on race have not magically transformed into something different that those who dies because of it a century ago. Racism as a motive is timeless.

    See reality.

    It was poor.

    Then you were not listening well enough to prevent you from posting what you have for the past few days.

    What's proven are the on the ground life/community/national experiences which ever-late government studies (traditionally no friend of minorities) support by revealing racial division and hate/white supremacist groups are on the rise, while other research concludes that anti-Semitism--also on the rise. Then, there's racism in the criminal justice system (including incarceration rates) which has not been abated to any great degree, racism in hiring (where blacks are concerned), which is as bad as it was thee decades ago, and overall systemic racism in corporate America has in no way vanished, or even faded a wee 'lil bit.
    Add the mainstream media's emphasis of racial minorities as criminal perpetrators, and an endless host of similar events, and your "current levels" prove both racism's consistency in some areas, and a rise in others, which only says that the ancient reality of racism is not going anywhere (as Holder's recognition of America's "racial soul" stands as authoritative evidence of that), nor has its fires (in every category of public & private life) lost the fuel to burn without any end in sight. All while every conceivable program and initiative has been trying to "cure" or "correct" what is inherent to humankind.

    Its going to be a very long wait before that running-through-a-field-of-daisies / Star Trek: The Next Generation world has even a whisper of a chance of becoming a part of reality.

    Understood, Mixer.
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  7. The Old Mixer

    The Old Mixer Mih ssim, mih ssim, nam, daed si Xim. Moderator

    It's one of mine...the raw version presented here being a beautiful gem in the rough before Spector got ahold of it and overdid the production.

    They wuz jammin'.
  8. RJDiogenes

    RJDiogenes Idealistic Cynic and Canon Champion Premium Member

    Jun 11, 2003
    RJDiogenes of Boston
    I voted for "Only The Good Die Young." :rommie:
  9. TREK_GOD_1

    TREK_GOD_1 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    May 24, 2006
    Escaped from Delta Vega
    Speaking of The Beatles Anthology, I recently watched the documentary special again after some time, and I found myself cringing at the tension from Harrison directed at McCartney. Open wounds and all. Leave it to Ringo to be the most sensitive one of the then-survivors when discussing the Lennon tracks they were going to work on.

    As much as I always enjoyed TBA, I still have a soft spot for The Complete Beatles (1982), which had that typically 1970s documentary feel to it, making it seem rather serious /important. That, and Malcom McDowell's pleasing narration made it a must-have for any Beatles fan.
  10. The Old Mixer

    The Old Mixer Mih ssim, mih ssim, nam, daed si Xim. Moderator

    The Compleat Beatles is what converted me! I had a vague interest in maybe trying out the Beatles and seeing what all the fuss was about, caught that on PBS, and BAM! Given that perspective, I'd argue that it's a more concise history for a newcomer to absorb than Anthology.
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  11. TREK_GOD_1

    TREK_GOD_1 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    May 24, 2006
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    Probably. It was such a "plain speaking" documentary in that it was not a puff-piece, but just laid out things for what they were, and I always appreciated that.

    I've learned that Patrick Montgomery (the film's director) says it will never see the light of day on any other format (I was SO waiting for a Blu-Ray of this) thanks to none other than McCartney buying the rights to the film and negative, allegedly to remove it as a source of competition when he was gearing up for the Anthology.
    If that's true, come on, Paul. One does not replace the other.

    I used to have it on VHS and still have the early laserdisc of it, but in light of no other formats, I might find myself forced to attempt a digital transfer one day.
  12. The Old Mixer

    The Old Mixer Mih ssim, mih ssim, nam, daed si Xim. Moderator


    :beer: In Anticipatory Celebration of 55 Years Under Our Fab Overlords! :beer:

    Selections from Billboard's Hot 100 for the week:

    Leaving the chart:
    • "Can I Get a Witness," Marvin Gaye (16 weeks)
    • "Midnight Mary," Joey Powers (13 weeks)
    • "That Lucky Old Sun," Ray Charles (9 weeks)

    New on the chart:

    "Hi-Heel Sneakers," Tommy Tucker

    (#11 US; #1 R&B; #23 UK)

    "I Saw Her Standing There," The Beatles

    (US B-side of "I Want to Hold Your Hand"; #14 US; #139 on Rolling Stone's 500 Greatest Songs of All Time)

    Total Beatles songs on the chart: Fab 4


    That's too bad, but not surprising...the ex-Beatles are well known for their litigiousness. FWIW, I still have it on VHS.


    ETA: Looks like H&I has made some seasonal lineup changes as well. The Adventures of Superman and Batman are back, on Saturday and Sunday mornings...but Hulk go bye-bye. Hercules and Xena are gone as well, FWIW. And Me also picked up The Time Tunnel.
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  13. RJDiogenes

    RJDiogenes Idealistic Cynic and Canon Champion Premium Member

    Jun 11, 2003
    RJDiogenes of Boston
    Can't Beat 'em.

    This is a good one. The title alone is enough to make me like it. :rommie:

    A classic, of course, but one that I particularly like.

    I thought they already had that, or I would have mentioned it.
  14. The Old Mixer

    The Old Mixer Mih ssim, mih ssim, nam, daed si Xim. Moderator


    50 Years Ago This Week

    Slightly old business--I realized that I'd neglected to post this in relation to the Get Back / Let It Be sessions:
    Having only the usual rough estimate to go on, somewhere around here would also be the Most Significant Day of My Life. Now I can't help wondering whether my very existence is any way tied in with Turn-On....

    Selections from Billboard's Hot 100 for the week:

    Leaving the chart:
    • "Cinnamon," Derek (15 weeks)
    • "Cloud Nine," The Temptations (12 weeks)
    • "For Once In My Life," Stevie Wonder (14 weeks)
    • "I Love How You Love Me," Bobby Vinton (14 weeks)
    • "Love Child," Diana Ross & The Supremes (16 weeks)
    • "Stormy," Classics IV feat. Dennis Yost (15 weeks)
    • "This Is My Country," The Impressions (10 weeks)

    New on the chart:

    "To Susan on the West Coast Waiting," Donovan

    (#35 US)

    "Try a Little Tenderness," Three Dog Night

    (#29 US; previously a #25 for Otis Redding in 1966/67--his version being #204 on Rolling Stone's 500 Greatest Songs of All Time--the song actually goes all the way back to 1933!)

    "Time of the Season," The Zombies

    (#3 US)

    "Traces," Classics IV feat. Dennis Yost

    (#2 US; #2 AC)

    And new on the boob tube:
    • The Ed Sullivan Show, Season 21, episode 16, featuring The Temptations, Vanilla Fudge, and Jacques d'Amboise & Allegra Kent
    • Mission: Impossible, "The Glass Cage"
    • The Avengers, "Love All"
    • Rowan & Martin's Laugh-In, Season 2, episode 18
    • The Mod Squad, "Fear Is the Bucking Horse"
    • Ironside, "The Prophecy"
    • Adam-12, "Log 112: You Blew It"
    • Get Smart, "Absorb the Greek"
    • Hogan's Heroes, "Klink's Old Flame"

    See you guys in nine months!


    America: Not Beatleproof.

    Continuing the Fab Theme, Paul covered it.

    Nope, that had been Swamp Thing's slot. Another homeless hero, as he's not on H&I these days, either. IIRC, Me did have Time Tunnel a couple years back, when Christopher and Trek_God_1 were covering it in the MeTV thread.
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  15. TREK_GOD_1

    TREK_GOD_1 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    May 24, 2006
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    You mean--

    The Rolling Stones?

    The Who?


    This is one of those B-sides that was the better half, so to speak.

    At least you still have the tape. Maybe Paul will change his mind one day and give it a proper 21st century restoration/release.

    Aww. No Hulk.

    ...and in a rare coincidence, both MeTV and H&I are showing Star Trek's "The Man Trap" this evening.

    In the Unpleasant Anniversary Category, tomorrow--February 3rd--marks 60 years to the day that the infamous plane crash that killed Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens, J.P. "The Big Bopper" Richardson--while on the Winter Dance Party tour--occurred in the early morning hours of February 3, 1959--


    Of course, this important tragedy/moment in pop culture/music history was immortalized by Don McLean's 1971 classic "American Pie."
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  16. The Old Mixer

    The Old Mixer Mih ssim, mih ssim, nam, daed si Xim. Moderator

    You're just underscoring that neither of them has made a blip on the American radar yet at this point. This is the Beatles' big moment, without which you and I likely never would have heard of the Stones or the Who.

    Since I got into the Beatles with the British versions of the albums, I don't even think of this as a's the opening track on Please Please Me to me.

    Ah, good catch/reminder--That deserves a tribute post!

    "That'll Be the Day," The Crickets

    (Charted Aug. 12, 1957; #1 US the week of Sept. 23, 1957 [pre-Hot 100, Best Sellers in Store chart]; #2 R&B; #1 UK; #39 on Rolling Stone's 500 Greatest Songs of All Time)

    "Chantilly Lace," The Big Bopper

    (Charted Aug. 4, 1958; #6 US; #3 R&B; #12 UK)

    "La Bamba," Ritchie Valens

    (B-side of "Donna"; Charted Dec. 29, 1958; #22 US; #345 on Rolling Stone's 500 Greatest Songs of All Time)

    That's what '50s music sounds like, RJ! :p
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  17. RJDiogenes

    RJDiogenes Idealistic Cynic and Canon Champion Premium Member

    Jun 11, 2003
    RJDiogenes of Boston
    That would be cool. :rommie: I really wish that was available on DVD or something. It would probably be disappointingly unimpressive at this point, but I'd still love to have it for the novelty and historical (and Teresa Graves) value.

    Of course, I absolutely love Donovan. This isn't one of his classics, but it's very nice and it features that distinctive quality in his voice that was unique to this period of his career.

    I also love Three Dog Night, and this is a very good song.

    I did not know this! Now I love it even more, since I'm a big fan of the 20s/30s.

    Guess what? I also love The Zombies and this is a great song. Of course, they didn't have many-- and were already history when they were still charting.

    Not as great as the others for this week, but still a very nice song.

    Have a nice gestation. [​IMG]

    Ohhh, guess I'm thinking of that. Now that you mention it, I do remember seeing Swamp Thing on there briefly in the morning before switching back to TCM.

    Now there's a pure, unadulterated super classic.

    No argument there. Classic 50s and classic Americana. :mallory:
  18. The Old Mixer

    The Old Mixer Mih ssim, mih ssim, nam, daed si Xim. Moderator


    50th Anniversary Viewing


    The Ed Sullivan Show
    Season 21, episode 15
    Originally aired January 26, 1969
    As represented in The Best of the Ed Sullivan Show

    From a Best of consisting of material from two dates in this half of the season, we get the following performances....

    First is Shirley Bassey doing a medley of "Goin' Out of My Head" and "You Go to My Head". I'm not familiar with the latter, but the rendition of the former is a little overwrought. Can't find fault with her pipes, though.

    Next from this date, "the electrical magic of Marvyn Roy"--magic tricks using lit light bulbs, including an oversized table lamp. This was apparently edited down, because the preview at the beginning of the episode showed him pulling a cloth off a chandelier, which wasn't in the performance shown...nor was the trick in the clip below:

    Finally, Shirley Bassey does "Something's Coming" from West Side Story, which seems a little more comfortably in her wheelhouse.

    Also in the original episode according to


    Mission: Impossible
    "The System"
    Originally aired January 26, 1969
    And the usual manner is dropping it in a closed metal container of maybe-it's-actually-acid-this-time. Rollin shows off his vocal impersonation skills again in the briefing.

    At the casino operated by Johnny Costa (James Patterson), Ramblin' Gamblin' Jim enjoys a conspicuous winning streak at the craps table with the help of some loaded dice, getting him in to see Costa. Jim reveals that he's really Hitman Jim and that he was offered a hit on Costa, and tries to sell Costa information about who took the job in his place. Ramblin' Gamblin' Cin has less luck at blackjack, such that she needs to see Costa to get some credit. She takes the opportunity to boast about having a betting system that usually works for her...and implicitly offers herself as payment for the loan. What she really needed was Costa's signature, because Rollin's apparently a master of all forms of impersonation.

    Ventilation Shaft Barney uses a special rig to access the safe in Costa's highly secure counting room from the opposite wall. Elsewhere, George Martin Jim and Rich Little Rollin cut a potential hit record of the above-mentioned crime boss, Mr. Victor (Val Avery), holding one side of a conversation, after which Mob Accountant Rollin pays an official visit to Costa and finds a $25,000 discrepancy in the previous day's count. This causes Costa to call on Hitman Jim for more info about who's after him.

    Cin gets Costa to sign a $250 check for her, but it's a $25,000 check that she cashes at the booth. At the blackjack table, she slips the dealer a forged note from Costa instructing him to pay her $30,000. Cin's resultant winning streak is depicted with a moving extreme close-up of the various players' hands, which was a novel technique. Meanwhile, Hitman Jim informs Costa that Rival Hitman Willy is in the house, but Willy eludes Costa and his men with Jim's covert help.

    Mob Accountant Rollin confronts Costa about both the check and the blackjack fix, then goes to make an implied call to Victor. Costa sends his men after Rollin, and they corner him in the phone booth, where he hands one of them the phone. Fake Vinyl Victor gives the henchman orders to help Rollin deal with Costa. Meanwhile, Costa twists Cin's arm, causing her to admit that she was sent by Victor to set Costa up. Shotgun Willy bursts into the room to take advantage of some special effects that he and Barney had previously rigged up there. Costa jumps out the window and makes a phone call to Real Victor, who insists that he doesn't have a hit on Costa, but Costa suspects that it's part of the trap...a suspicion "confirmed" when Rollin and Willy get there and report to Victor that his ruse worked. Costa slips away again, takes refuge in his counting room, sets off the alarm, and promises to see Victor in court. The assembled IMF team calmly exits the scene as the local constabulary arrive.

    I had a feeling that this would be a solid one when I saw that it was remade early in the later series. It was both intriguing and comprehensible, and moved along at a good pace.


    Rowan & Martin's Laugh-In
    Season 2, episode 17
    Originally aired January 27, 1969

    The Fickle Finger of Fate goes to baseball general managers.

    A freedom-themed Cocktail Party:

    Discovery of the Week Samantha Lloyd:


    The Mod Squad
    "Shell Game"
    Originally aired January 28, 1969
    The police detective who gets killed while trying to arrest the group of warehouse thieves is kind of asking for it. He's alone and outnumbered, and on a Mark VII show, even a duo of detectives or patrolmen would have called it in first and probably waited for backup in such a situation. Anyway, the thieves get away with the help of a pair of patrolmen who are part of their operation.

    Julie's already working an end of this case, undercover as a nurse in a hospital where an injured member of the gang named Jerry Kane is. Meanwhile Pete and Linc manage to get in with the gang by investigating Jerry. Linc puts on a pretty unconvincing "street voice" for some reason. The Mod Males have to participate in a liquor store robbery, during which Linc refuses to kill the owner. It turns out that it was a test, the store manager is an accomplice, and the Mods passed.

    Back at the hospital, Julie's in the process of working Jerry for information when Greer arranges to have him transferred to a police hospital. But the police ambulance drivers turn out to be...guess who? When Julie insists on going along, the crooked cops hold her at gunpoint, but Jerry persuades them not to hurt her. Greer comes to assume that the abductors are actually phony cops who've been jamming up the case and starts looking into former cops who'd have inside knowledge of police frequencies and procedures.

    When the crooked cops show up at the gang's hideout with Julie, she doesn't bat an eyelash at the sight of Pete and Linc, though Pete bats one at the sight of her. Of greater concern is that Jerry won't recognize Pete and Linc, as they got into the gang with a story of being old friends of his. Julie doesn't miss a beat in helping to cover for them, though she shouldn't have known anything about their end of the operation.

    The gang goes out to do the job while the city's police are tied up with a sign-o-the-timesy riot on the other side of town. As their truck is taking off, Linc slips out the back to help Julie deal with the gang member who's guarding her, then calls Greer. At the site of the job, Pete gets caught letting air out of the truck's tires, but Greer, Linc, and black & white backup show up in time. Greer uses a misleading radio call to lure in the crooked cops, and when they make the scene, he realizes that they really are active-duty cops (which was my impression in the first place).

    After a talk with Greer about crooked cops, the Mod Trio do their walk-off outside the police hospital.

    A good episode overall, but I found the drama beats between Julie and Jerry to be cringily acted.


    "Rundown on a Bum Rap"
    Originally aired January 30, 1969
    Our first-billed guest this week is James Gregory, who plays the suspect, Arnold 'Bakey' Baker, a raspy-voiced, slow-on-the-uptake ex-fighter.

    We get a look at Mark's night school life, which includes a pretty, young teacher named Maria (Janet Mac Lachlan) whom he's rather aggressively pursuing, while simultaneously taking out his frustrations about how the system works on her. He enlists her help in offering Baker legal advice. We learn that she's a former lawyer who gave it up because of how rough it was for her to deal with people in desperate situations whom she couldn't help. Maria's efforts to help Baker are undermined by a shady character named Frank Bollo (future Bond movie sheriff Clifton James), who bails Baker out and convinces him to cop a plea to stay out of jail.

    Team Ironside uncovers that the victim of the beating, Charles Wilson (Leonard Stone), was employed collecting bets in Bollo's numbers racket. The climax takes place in the courtroom, where the Chief seems very much at home. Ed arrests Bollo because Wilson spilled the beans that it was Bollo who had him beaten.

    Other Trek guests include Ken Lynch as Baker's boss at work, and Jason Wingreen as a night school classmate of Mark's who's involved in a courtroom role-play scenario.


    Star Trek
    "The Lights of Zetar"
    Originally aired January 31, 1969
    Stardate 5725.3

    See my post here.


    "Log 33: It All Happened So Fast"
    Originally aired February 1, 1969
    Reed and Malloy are driving an uneventful late-night patrol in a residential area when a rifle shot hits the windshield. They stop the car and Reed returns fire, felling the young shooter. Back at the station, the officers are taken into a room where they're questioned by Sgt. Miller and another detective. At face value, Reed seems to be handling the incident very well, but Malloy knows his partner well enough to tell that it's eating at him inside.

    Miller's questioning is very thorough and detailed, and as he begins to deconstruct Reed's actions, the officer starts to lose his cool. During a brief break in the interrogation, Miller explains to Reed that this is all routine procedure, and can be expected every time he fires his gun in the field. (Which seems a bit off, as he has fired his gun before, this is just his first time killing somebody.) When the questioning ends, Miller tells Reed off the record that he probably doesn't have anything to worry about. Outside the room, Reed has to face a group of waiting reporters, clearly uncomfortable with the attention.

    I'd seen this before, but this time around it couldn't help reminding me of Dragnet's "The Interrogation".


    Get Smart
    "I Shot 86 Today"
    Originally aired February 1, 1969
    The Chief deduces that a nuclear golf ball is the weapon, and believes that Chuck Cramer, a gulf pro who's worked at all of the missle base-adjoining golf courses, is responsible.

    An uncredited Sharon Acker appears as Dr. Simon, two weeks after "The Mark of Gideon" aired. Dr. Simon is the latest iteration of the Dr. Steele character. She plays Q here, arming Max with golf-themed gadgets. Max, of course, proves to be as inept at golf as he is at everything else; and has an awkward moment with his golf shoe-phone when he presses the cleats into his face.

    It turns out that Cramer and the club's manager, Mr. Upjohn, are partners in the scheme, and have been firing the golf balls at the missile bases using...

    Hogan's Heroes
    "Watch the Trains Go By"
    Originally aired February 1, 1969
    The increased guards in the area cause Hogan to call off the team's initial attempt to blow up the train. Newkirk and Carter are caught breaking back into the camp--and let the guards believe that they were trying to break out. The rest of the team gets back in via the tunnel...which makes you wonder why they didn't all do that in the first place.

    Gertrude, in case you were wondering, is Burkhalter's sister, who's accompanying her brother on his inspection of Stalag 13. Hogan has Newkirk (who's in the cooler) forge a love letter from Klink, which is sent to Gertrude in advance, such that Klink will be distracted by her romantic overtures during the visit. But the plan briefly backfires when Klink tries to keep himself too busy to spend time with her. Hogan convinces Klink to take her on a ride in his limo so that Hogan can sneak out in the trunk and set the explosives. In the meantime, Klink manages to offend Gertrude by telling her how he really feels.



    Had you heard of it before? I hadn't, until it came up in the Wiki timeline.

    Pretty much all of this. Even mediocre Donovan is still enjoyably Donovan.

    I'd say that they don't do enough with this one to distinguish it from the Otis version.

    I just stumbled upon that myself.

    This single and the album Odessey and Oracle were released in early-to-mid-1968, by which point the Zombies had already broken up. The single is just now charting, and the album, which is on the Rolling Stone list, will be following suit. I've been holding off on getting the album until it charts. As for this single...after a four-year absence from the chart, this will be their last one in the Hot 100. But thanks to 55th anniversary business, we'll be hearing from them again for the first time later this year.

    Classics IV are just generally good, classic period fare in my book.

    It took me a while to fully get that...! :lol:
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  19. TREK_GOD_1

    TREK_GOD_1 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    May 24, 2006
    Escaped from Delta Vega
    ...if only I could slingshot around the sun and go back in time to switch things up... ;)

    ...and each never lost its listenable qualities. Such great music, but I do fear Millennials and any future generations are far less tolerant / fingers-in-their-ears to anything that is not all about what they believe is targeting them, as opposed to my memory of kids in the 70s and 80s being receptive to 50s rock.

    "Time of the Season" is the go-to song for their inclusion on any decade collection, but songs like "Leave Me Be", and the surf music-ish sounding "It's Alright With Me" are my favorites from this group.

    Classics IV's "Traces" is such a timeless song, and in its era, it occupies its own, unique place as not being a "type" of song.

  20. RJDiogenes

    RJDiogenes Idealistic Cynic and Canon Champion Premium Member

    Jun 11, 2003
    RJDiogenes of Boston
    It's a shame we don't have access to all the complete episodes of Sullivan-- but can you imagine what a complete DVD set would cost? :rommie:

    I dislike remakes generally, but in an adventure show like this-- or, rather, in the sequel series-- it makes it difficult to accept them as part of the same continuity.

    She's got the beat.

    I may have said this before, but I think it would have been cool to have Perry Mason make a guest appearance on Ironside-- it would have been a funny twist on the "evil twin" type of story. The only other time that I can think of when one actor played different characters on the same show was Jeffrey Combs in the final episodes of DS9.

    Yeah, I remember this one.

    I wonder if that one kind of inspired the Adam-12 episode.

    Show offs. :rommie:

    Yeah, I was aware of it probably because of Teresa Graves. I actually thought it had come up in one of these threads before.


    Indeed. Through the 80s at least, there seemed to be a connecting thread to popular culture, from music to science fiction, that most people had some level of appreciation for. But the Millennial Generation has a callow contempt for anything that didn't happen this week.
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