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The Classic/Retro Pop Culture Thread

"Do It Again," The Beach Boys
Yeah, classic Beach Boys.

"You're All I Need to Get By," Marvin Gaye & Tammi Terrell
I don't remember this one. Not exactly captivating.

"1, 2, 3, Red Light," 1910 Fruitgum Co.
This might be okay when they finish it.

"Light My Fire," Jose Feliciano
"Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. I'm here all week."

I'm not sure if that emoticon means that it wasn't funny or that I need to explain it. Same difference, I suppose.
It means I'm giving you a hard time about the bad pun. :rommie:

That's the inability to see things clearly at a distance. But maybe he was farsighted. It was his instruments he was having trouble seeing. OTOH, I'm nearsighted, and my computer screen's way too blurry to read when I take off my glasses.
I guess I didn't understand when he was wearing the glasses. If he was nearsighted, he'd need glasses to read his instruments (like you and me), but still might be good at spotting submarines (unlike me).
 
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50th Anniversary Cinematic Special

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Yellow Submarine
Starring Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
Directed by George Dunning
Released July 17, 1968 (UK); November 13, 1968 (US)
1969 Hugo Award nominee for Best Dramatic Presentation; 1970 Grammy nominee for Best Original Score Written for a Motion Picture or Television Show
The Narrator said:
Once upon a time...or maybe twice...there was an unearthly paradise called Pepperland. 80,000 leagues beneath the sea it lay...or lie...I'm not too sure.
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My current M.O. is to try to cover British releases by American release dates, but I had multiple reasons for making an exception here. First and foremost, it brings some additional 50th anniversary business to the Summer, rather than having it fall in the middle of a new TV season. Also, the film and its original songs were in production during the now-fading Sgt. Pepper / Magical Mystery Tour era, so it makes better sense to cover it closer to that time rather than waiting until the same month that the White Album is released. And on that note, it generally spreads major Fab Business out a bit better.

I was vaguely aware of the song as a child in the '70s without knowing or caring much about the Beatles at the time, but the film's influence was evident in those years, though I didn't know it. The thing that most struck me when I first saw the film in my teens is that the distinctive artistic style (for which art director Heinz Edelmann can claim credit) was very familiar to me from my elementary school workbooks, which must have been emulating it.

The film's Wiki page says that the animated Beatles are modeled on how they appeared in the "Strawberry Fields" and "Penny Lane" videos, but to pick a Fab nit, they actually seem to more closely resemble the photos of the Beatles at the Sgt. Pepper release party in May 1967.

The film opens with the Blue Meanie assault on Pepperland:
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(Fifth Beatle George Martin was responsible for the film's instrumental score, which was featured on the second side of the original soundtrack album.)

The Dreadful Flying Glove has always been one of my favorite parts of the movie. And while I was thinking that there was something Joker-ish in the Chief Blue Meanie's OTT animated and vocal performance (the latter owing to Paul Angelis), it seems that perhaps it's more a case of there being something Blue Meanie-ish in the Joker's animated and vocal performance....
Wiki said:
Mark Hamill has stated that the Chief Blue Meanie was an inspiration for The Joker in Batman: The Animated Series, with his light yellow teeth, and high pitched, piercing voice.


I like how the Mayor is the only one who refers to Old Fred as "Young Fred". Fred is portrayed by Lance Percival, who'd also done the voices for Paul and Ringo in the Saturday morning Beatles cartoon.
The Lord Mayor said:
No time for trivialities!
:D

On to the opening credits, which of course use the 1966 song that the film was based upon. Following that, we transition to animated Liverpool with the other side of the same single, "Eleanor Rigby":
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In Liverpool we meet animated Ringo (also Paul Angelis, who additionally served as the Narrator and is credited for George, though reportedly Peter Batten did the latter for roughly the first half of the film, but went uncredited after he was arrested during production). After encountering the frantic Fred, Ringo takes him to the Beatles' seemingly infinite mansion full of random, psychedelic wonders.
Ringo said:
Can't help it, I'm a born lever-puller.
The next Beatle gathered is John (John Clive), who had been temporarily transformed into a Frankenstein monster. The party then proceeds to find George...
Ringo: What day is it?
John: Sitarday.
...standing on a mountaintop to the accompaniment of an excerpt from "Love You To".
George said:
It's all in the mind.
The band comes together with the entrance of an applause-enjoying, bouquet-catching, and unflappable Paul (Geoff Hughes)....
Paul said:
What's the matter, fellas? Blue Meanies?

Once the Fabs are aboard, the Submarine begins its return voyage to the accompaniment of the orchestral crescendo from "A Day in the Life"...following which Fred's passengers acquaint themselves with the Sub in a sequence for the first of four songs original to the film, "All Together Now".

But this voyage proves to be something of a Fab Odyssey, as Fred and the Beatles journey through a variety of trippy locales. The first is the Sea of Time, which causes temporal chaos in the Sub, leading to the sequence for "When I'm Sixty-Four". It's a pity that a clip of the sequence from the film isn't available, as it's one of the more striking ones. I love the way that everything moves in time to the beat of the song...and the count to 64 with the variety of stylized numbers, viewed in chronological context, seems like a prophecy of Sesame Street.

The Sub promptly proceeds into the Sea of Science, which showcases the most atmospheric of the film's original numbers, George's "Only a Northern Song". After that , it's on to the Sea of Monsters. You have to feel sorry for the "really ugly" monster that they eject from the Sub...he's actually pretty cute. Immediately after this, Ringo presses the button that Fred just told him never to touch and ejects himself!
John: What are we gonna do?
Fred: Learn to sing trios.
In the band's effort to rescue Ringo, the Sub navigates its way through a gauntlet that includes Kinky Boot Beasts, the Boxing Beast (featuring a visual shout-out to the Rolling Stones in the form of a banner coming from the rear of the Sub), and the Dreaded Vacuum Cleaner Beast, which sucks in the entire background and then itself!

Appropriately enough, next up is the Sea of Nothing, where the Beatles come upon Jeremy Hillary Boob, PhD (Dick Emery, who also plays the Lord Mayor and the Chief Blue Meanie's underling Max):
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In another great song sequence not available on YouTube, the Fabs christen the isolated, multi-talented workaholic "Nowhere Man".

After Jeremy fixes one of the propellers, the Sub takes off without him and the Beatles, and they find themselves stranded in the Foothills of the Headlands, where they encounter "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds" (another unavailable sequence, notable for its use of rotoscoping).

From the Headlands, the Beatles find themselves propelled into the particularly visually disorienting Sea of Holes:
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Jeremy said:
Enough to fill the Albert Hall!
Jeremy is soon covertly snatched by the Chief Blue Meanie, while Ringo picks up a hole for his pocket (which comes into play later in the story and also ties in with the appearance of the live action Fabs at the end). The Beatles proceed to enter Pepperland, where they find all the residents under the Meanies' influence. Fred and the Sub arrive just after them, and the Fabs perform a brief excerpt of "Think for Yourself" to revive the Lord Mayor. The Beatles say that they lost their instruments in the Sea of Monsters, but I don't recall ever seeing their instruments, and the Sub is with them at this point.

The Beatles bear witness to some of Pepperland's occupiers, including the Apple Bonkers, the Butterfly Stomper, the Snapping-Turtle Turks, the show-stealing Flying Glove, and of course, the Chief Blue Meanie....
Paul said:
He reminds me of my old English teacher.
The Fabs manage to sneak around the Meanies to find both instruments and the Band's uniforms. Donning the latter, they do indeed look just like "the Originals". Extra-Timely Sign: Ringo breaks into a brief rendition of "Tip-Toe Thru the Meanies"!

After conning their way past a Blue Menial...
The Storm Blooper said:
Are you Bluish? You don't look Bluish.
...the Fabs get the Meanie-shrinking started with a performance of "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band" (complete with transitional excerpt of "With a Little Help from My Friends"). Confronted by the Glove, the Beatles drop the G and break into the sequence for "All You Need Is Love". They then free the "original" Pepper Band using Ringo's hole, accompanied by a brief excerpt from "Baby You're a Rich Man".
John said:
Nothing is Beatleproof!

At this point, the film commences into a sequence that was cut from the original American release (but restored for the 1999 home video re-release), with the Beatles meeting their alter ego men and the two bands teaming up to the accompaniment of the original song that fans on this side of the pond only got on the soundtrack album, "Hey Bulldog". This sequence was reportedly felt to have been anticlimactic, but having originally seen an earlier video release of the film that excluded it, it had always seemed to me that there was a beat missing from the climax...and it turns out that there literally had been!

After routing the Meanies' four-headed canine, the Fabs free Jeremy, who commences to get the better of the Chief Blue Meanie by employing some Flower Power.
Chief Blue Meanie: It's no longer a blue world, Max. Where could we go?
Max: Argentina?
In what could be seen as the moral of the story...
Jeremy said:
Yes! Ah, "yes" is a word with a glorious ring! A true universal, euphonious thing! Engenders embracing and chasing of blues! The very best word for the whole world to use!

As the Blue Meanies turn over a new petal, we're treated to the final animated song sequence, for the last of the film's original numbers, George's "It's All Too Much" (though the film version features a verse that's not in the soundtrack version).

From there, the film transitions to...the flesh-and-blood Fabs! According to Wiki, this was filmed on January 25, 1968, just prior to the band's trip to India. The live-action Beatles close the film by initiating a singalong reprise of "All Together Now". Echoing the satellite broadcast debut of "All You Need Is Love" in June 1967, the words "All Together Now" appear onscreen in a variety of languages.

And there we have it, the Beatles' latest cinematic feature 50 years ago today. Despite the Beatles themselves barely having anything to do with it (the four new songs having been castoffs from the recording sessions for their last two albums), it's a strikingly stylistic work of art in its own right, and a much more watchable and enjoyable outing than the Fabs' self-written, -directed, and -produced Magical Mystery Tour TV film, or their eventual cinematic swansong, the dreary documentary Let It Be.

Odd trivia note: I was always intrigued by the suggestion that (aided no doubt by the effects of the Sea of Time) the Beatles themselves would go on to found Pepperland (aided by "another quartet"), thus presumably becoming the Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band that resides there in the film.

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Yeah, classic Beach Boys.
It seems that the Beach Boys were thinking along the same lines as the Beatles and Stones at this point...taking a "back to basics" approach following their foray into psychedelia. But while the Stones found a new signature style, and the Beatles continued to explore and push boundaries in different ways, the Beach Boys feel like they're pining for lost glory to me. It's a good song in its own right, but it has nothing on the earlier classics that it's emulating.

I don't remember this one. Not exactly captivating.
Again, a nice song in its own right, but relatively indistinct...it ain't no "Ain't No Mountain High Enough".

This might be okay when they finish it.
I know they're bubblegum, but I'm not even seeing what the appeal would have been to the younger crowd in the day. There's much better pop being put out by other artists.

"Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. I'm here all week."
It has a nice sound, and songwriter Robby Krieger was appreciative of the successful cover. It's noteworthy that this is entering the chart exactly a year after the week that the original hit #1. And look for the original to enjoy a modest bump back onto the chart in the wake of this version's rise.

It means I'm giving you a hard time about the bad pun. :rommie:
Ah...well the pun was sublime, so it must just be you. :p

I guess I didn't understand when he was wearing the glasses. If he was nearsighted, he'd need glasses to read his instruments (like you and me), but still might be good at spotting submarines (unlike me).
Come to think of it, he does routinely watch for incoming planes outside the tower with binoculars but no eyeglasses.
 
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The thing that most struck me when I first saw the film in my teens is that the distinctive artistic style (for which art director Heinz Edelmann can claim credit) was very familiar to me from my elementary school workbooks, which must have been emulating it.
It's rather Peter Max-ish, but I have no idea who came first, or if they were drawing from a common psychedelic source (or medication).

You have to feel sorry for the "really ugly" monster that they eject from the Sub...he's actually pretty cute.
That seems un-Beatles-ish.

and the Dreaded Vacuum Cleaner Beast, which sucks in the entire background and then itself!
Ouroboros brand vacuum cleaners were eventually recalled.

After routing the Meanies' four-headed canine
Cerebluish?

As the Blue Meanies turn over a new petal
Now that's Beatles-ish, and a sign of the times.

Odd trivia note: I was always intrigued by the suggestion that (aided no doubt by the effects of the Sea of Time) the Beatles themselves would go on to found Pepperland (aided by "another quartet"), thus presumably becoming the Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band that resides there in the film.
This was, or will be, shown in the sequel, accompanied by the hit single "Sgt. Pepper's Predestination Paradox."

It's a good song in its own right, but it has nothing on the earlier classics that it's emulating.
Maybe the band concept was too limiting. They should have changed their names to The All-Terrain Boys.

Ah...well the pun was sublime, so it must just be you. :p
:rommie:
 
"Saga of a Star World" part 2/3.

Ugh.

I like how Athena can deploy steam that scalds Starbuck but seems to miss Cassiopeia completely!

What a time the late 1970s were.
 
It's rather Peter Max-ish, but I have no idea who came first, or if they were drawing from a common psychedelic source (or medication).
The Wiki page for the film has a paragraph dealing with the similarity:
Wiki said:
The animation design of Yellow Submarine has sometimes been incorrectly attributed to famous psychedelic pop art artist of the era Peter Max, but the film's art director was Heinz Edelmann. Edelmann, along with his contemporary Milton Glaser, pioneered the psychedelic style for which Max would later become famous, but according to Edelmann and producer Al Brodax, as quoted in the book Inside the Yellow Submarine by Hieronimus and Cortner, Max had nothing to do with the production of Yellow Submarine.


RJDiogenes said:
That seems un-Beatles-ish.
No actual Beatles harmed any actual ambiguously unattractive monsters in the making of this film.

Hang in there, Corporal, it only gets...

...um...

Never mind.
 
The Wiki page for the film has a paragraph dealing with the similarity:
Ah, cool, that answers that question.

No actual Beatles harmed any actual ambiguously unattractive monsters in the making of this film.
Whew!

Hang in there, Corporal, it only gets...

...um...

Never mind.
:rommie: Actually, I watched original BSG straight through when it was first on the air and I found that I was liking it more and more by the end of the season. The pilot was pretty painful, though, as were most of the regular episodes. It was a bad show.
 
"Do It Again," The Beach Boys
(#20 US; #1 UK)

Arguably a very underrated Beach Boys track.

"1, 2, 3, Red Light," 1910 Fruitgum Co.
(#5 US)

Horrible. Stick it back in the cereal box.


Performers and producers in the business at the time

Hit the brakes. If you read NME (New Musical Express) and other publications at the time, you will find some artists criticized for going off the "look how innovated we are" rails. It was not all celebrated or welcomed then or now. For one major example, take the Rolling Stones: ask Keith Richards--who would know more than most--about that with the public and band reaction to 1967's Their Satanic Majesty's Request, (Richards called it "a load of crap") which nearly torpedoed The Rolling Stones with that pretentious bullshit from a year overflowing with similar flights of wrongheadedness. In fact, the dreaded Rolling Stone described that album in this way:

With it, the Stones abandon their capacity to lead in order to impress the impressionable. They have been far too influenced by their musical inferiors and the result is an insecure album in which they try too hard to prove that they too are innovators, and that they too can say something new.

From Brian Jones: The Making of The Rolling Stones:
"Keith Altham was one of many reviewers who liked the Stones, but was shocked by the poor quality of the album. He reviewed it for NME in the only way possible, by stringing together a nonsensical stream of 'absolute cobblers' to mock the album's vacuous hipness."

..and you can find a truck load of similarly-toned articles from the 60s - forward. The point being that innovation requires genuine inspiration--not trying to--as RS put it--prove you are an innovator, or sell how hip you are during a cultural trend period.
 
:rommie: Actually, I watched original BSG straight through when it was first on the air and I found that I was liking it more and more by the end of the season. The pilot was pretty painful, though, as were most of the regular episodes. It was a bad show.

Yeah, but if the pilot--THE biggest selling point for a series is--as you put it--painful, then the well has already been poisoned, so to speak.
 
We'd watch anything SF back then and I mean anything.
Yeah, pretty much. Except maybe Manimal. :rommie:

Yeah, but if the pilot--THE biggest selling point for a series is--as you put it--painful, then the well has already been poisoned, so to speak.
Yeah, they never really recovered from that. I don't know if they even tried or knew they had to. Still, given the way things were going, a second season might have been interesting.
 
Hit the brakes. If you read NME (New Musical Express) and other publications at the time, you will find some artists criticized for going off the "look how innovated we are" rails. It was not all celebrated or welcomed then or now. For one major example, take the Rolling Stones: ask Keith Richards--who would know more than most--about that with the public and band reaction to 1967's Their Satanic Majesty's Request, (Richards called it "a load of crap") which nearly torpedoed The Rolling Stones with that pretentious bullshit from a year overflowing with similar flights of wrongheadedness. In fact, the dreaded Rolling Stone described that album in this way:



From Brian Jones: The Making of The Rolling Stones:


..and you can find a truck load of similarly-toned articles from the 60s - forward. The point being that innovation requires genuine inspiration--not trying to--as RS put it--prove you are an innovator, or sell how hip you are during a cultural trend period.
Way to switch straw men there, dude. I was talking about The Beatles. Nobody's arguing that Satanic Majesties wasn't a wrong turn.

TREK_GOD_1 said:
Horrible. Stick it back in the cereal box.
:lol: But we can still agree on something.

Yeah, pretty much. Except maybe Manimal. :rommie:
:shifty:

Still, given the way things were going, a second season might have been interesting.
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Way to switch straw men there, dude. I was talking about The Beatles. Nobody's arguing that Satanic Majesties wasn't a wrong turn.

My statement was not limited to, or even starting with them:

Days of Future Passed--elevated The Moody Blues to levels of successful marriages of musical genres, instead of the "aren't we so daring/hip/revolutionary" of many of their contemporaries, including the Beatles on occasion.

The Beatles followed the main point of contemporaries, and were mentioned to be clear that they were not free of that charge. So, there's no "strawman" here in referring to one of those contemporaries, like the Rolling Stones and the reaction to their experimental, "revolutionary" period. But if you want to zero in on the Beatles, the charge certainly applied to 1967's Magical Mystery Tour or 1968's The Beatles (White Album), where pretention was firing off like a rocket with
[FONT=Open Sans]"Blue Jay Way" and "Flying" from MMT and a S.S. Poseidon-capsizing level of pretentious, experimental crap on The Beatles, including [/FONT]
"Revolution 9", "Piggies", "Good Night", "Martha My Dear", "Wild Honey Pie", "Everybody's Got Something to Hide Except Me and My Monkey"--it goes on and on, and aligns with what I said about contemporaries.


:lol: But we can still agree on something.

Yep! :)
 
Um, I actually like Their Satanic Majesties Request. In fact, most of the tracks on the album (7 out of 10) are very good, and at least 4 of those are outstanding ("Citadel," "She's a Rainbow," "The Lantern," and "2000 Light Years from Home"). Only one track on the album truly blows.
 
Satanic Majesties doesn't sound as bad to me now as I remember it being...but it was an embarrassing attempt to imitate Sgt. Pepper.

Magical Mystery Tour: Not even a full album of new material, and generally acknowledged as a weaker effort in Beatle fandom and scholarship. And it still gave us "I Am the Walrus"!

The White Album: #10 on Rolling Stone's 500 Greatest Albums of All Time.

Days of Future Passed: Not on the list.
 
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Satanic Majesties doesn't sound as bad to me now as I remember it being...but it was an embarrassing attempt to imitate Sgt. Pepper.
The project certainly would have been better served by not going there, no question. Sgt. Pepper was groundbreaking and outstanding start to finish. Even a very good album with outstanding tracks, as Satanic Majesties is in my view, can't stack up, and it does the material a disservice to make push the comparison.
 
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BTW...
Only one track on the album truly blows.
I think I know which one this would be, but let's hear it. :D

Manimal fan? :D
I vaguely recall having watched it at the time. Teenagers do all sorts of stupid things.

I suppose, though I consider this more of a sequel series than a second season.
In practical, production terms, I believe it was considered to be the latter...reviving the show the next TV season with a radical makeover.
 
I think I know which one this would be, but let's hear it. :D

The one that totally blows is "Sing This All Together (See What Happens)". "Gomper" is pretty awful too.

At least one of the prominent videos on YouTube from the album has random nudity for some unnecessary reason, only of the classical art variety, but still; I can't devote the resources to vet these (or videos for the great songs). Interested parties can search. ;)
 
Ah, I was thinking "In Another Land".

There are always the audio-only videos.

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Magical Mystery Tour: Not even a full album of new material, and generally acknowledged as a weaker effort in Beatle fandom and scholarship. And it still gave us "I Am the Walrus"!

The White Album: #10 on Rolling Stone's 500 Greatest Albums of All Time.

Days of Future Passed: Not on the list.

Rolling Stone is not the great all-seeing of music (If I had a dollar for every time they were wrong...). There's nothing good or even listenable about the White Album tracks I listed. Its all just a pretentious mess by a group that had (arguably) reached the point of thinking they could do no wrong, trying to "out-avant garde" each other.

Days of Future Passed (described by All Music as "one of the defining documents of the blossoming psychedelic era, and one of the most enduringly popular albums of its era") is one of the few 1960s albums from a rock band that can be enjoyed to from start to finish, and was not the usual one or two songs designed to be "A" sides for singles, while the rest of the album was filler built around it. DOFP was one of the most artistically cohesive albums of the 60s--unlike Magical Mystery Tour--the would-be Pepper sequel and The Beatles (White Album) that gave new meaning to "all over the place".[/QUOTE]
 
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