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"The Cage" never happened in the Reboot Timeline

I think Pike needed to be a little older in this, because we wouldn't have had respect for a 20-something telling another 20-something to join starfleet. Looking at Pike from The Cage, he looks as though he's in his early 30's, whereas NuPike looks around his 40's, which would fit.
 
Actually, according to MA anyway, when Kirk was 25, Chekov would have been 13 or 14 years of age.
 
The new timeline idea is very clever. The writers can pick and choose
which similarities will exist with the "old" timeline and import the best qualities of TOS while leaving behind much of the flawed and poorly executed "canon" that would otherwise paint them into a corner at every turn. We can now have big, sweeping, original storylines to take our breath away for years to come. I couldn't be more pleased. Trek needed this...
 
Actually, according to MA anyway, when Kirk was 25, Chekov would have been 13 or 14 years of age.

I noticed that discrepancy, but can explain it. Nero altered events starting with the attack on the Kelvin. One side effect of that was to alter the lives of Chekov's parents, so that they had a child 3 or 4 years earlier than they did in the original timeline.
 
That could explain why Yelchin's Chekov looks NOTHING like Walter K...


While all the other actors have some resemblences, they didnt even try with Yelchin.. (left his hair curly etc)..

Makes you wonder..


It also explains why this version of Pavel is a BRAINCHILD and whiz kid.... the other one wasn't.


Yelchin is ANOTHER Chekov!
 
Keonig's Chekov was always very intelligent but too often he was played for laughs. Dispite his young age Chekov was adept in several key positions and often manned Spock's science station.
 
That could explain why Yelchin's Chekov looks NOTHING like Walter K...


While all the other actors have some resemblences, they didnt even try with Yelchin.. (left his hair curly etc)..

Makes you wonder..


It also explains why this version of Pavel is a BRAINCHILD and whiz kid.... the other one wasn't.


Yelchin is ANOTHER Chekov!

In another thread (can't find it at the moment), someone put forwad the theory that this Chekov is actually two years older than the one in Trek Prime; meaning his parents may have used the name on a different baby, so yeah, this could be Trek Prime Chekov's smarter parallel universe brother!
 
Just wanted to clarify this since some are confused whether "The Cage" is a prequel to the new Trek timeline.

"The Cage" never happened because:

- Enterprise was launched in 2245 (in the old timeline) with "The Cage" happening in 2254

- Enterprise was launched in 2258 (in the new timeline). It was delayed for 13 years compared to the original timeline.

Perhaps in the wake of the first Narada incident, the ship that was going to be called Enterprise became the Kelvin-A instead. Or the USS Robau. ;)
 
The Cage might have happened. Pike could have been commanding another ship. This film maintains Trek lore that Pike was the original captain of the Enterprise.

Chekov being 17 does maintain that he was the youngest member of the crew.
 
Im assuming that the Kelvin being easily overpowered by what appeared to be a huge new Romulan ship had changed the timeline of starship development.

The Constitution Class development might have been different. The design (including its appearence) changed to make it more powerful, faster? I dont know. Maybe some major investment was made in improving and enlarging the Fleet and toughening the ships.

People like NUmber One may still have joined Starfleet, but they just got different postings. Maybe Kelso wont get assigned to the Enterprise, and doesnt have to be choked to death by a power cable! Theres a thought! Viva Kelso!
 
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The Cage might have happened. Pike could have been commanding another ship. This film maintains Trek lore that Pike was the original captain of the Enterprise.

Chekov being 17 does maintain that he was the youngest member of the crew.

I had this very discussion over lunch Saturday.

Enterprise was roughly 20+ years late being christened. Since the point of change was the Kelvin destruction 25 years prior, it's entirely possible that the ship which would have been christened Enterprise was given another name.

Since no background or absolute specifics were given on Spock or Pike, or anything else for that matter in the 25 years between the destruction of the Kelvin, and the launch of the Enterprise, absolutely anything could have occurred, including very similar incidents to the original timeline.
For the mot part, very few planets or incidents would be effected by Kelvin's destruction, other than those which would directly change because of it, such as a Lt. JG. Francois Picard, who was killed aboard the Kelvin and the line of Picard ends there for example.

Talos IV would still exist, and the ship that crashed there would still have occurred since it would have taken place before the Kelvin incident.

And there would be inumerable examples of things that would not have been directly effected by the Kelvin incident.

Many that would have changed, might have only changed superficially. Such as the Cage happening with Pike commanding the USS Defiant, USS Robau or whatever, with Spock as a science officer.

Kirk is STILL the same James T Kirk, his destiny unchanged, but delayed due to circumstances.

The Chekov in the film not being the SAME Pavel Chekov is a very interesting concept. I kinda like that premise.

People who think everything is just being thrown out the window randomly aren't taking the time to think before they type, sorry.
 
The Cage might have happened. Pike could have been commanding another ship. This film maintains Trek lore that Pike was the original captain of the Enterprise.

Chekov being 17 does maintain that he was the youngest member of the crew.

I had this very discussion over lunch Saturday.

Enterprise was roughly 20+ years late being christened. Since the point of change was the Kelvin destruction 25 years prior, it's entirely possible that the ship which would have been christened Enterprise was given another name.

Since no background or absolute specifics were given on Spock or Pike, or anything else for that matter in the 25 years between the destruction of the Kelvin, and the launch of the Enterprise, absolutely anything could have occurred, including very similar incidents to the original timeline.
For the mot part, very few planets or incidents would be effected by Kelvin's destruction, other than those which would directly change because of it, such as a Lt. JG. Francois Picard, who was killed aboard the Kelvin and the line of Picard ends there for example.

Talos IV would still exist, and the ship that crashed there would still have occurred since it would have taken place before the Kelvin incident.

And there would be inumerable examples of things that would not have been directly effected by the Kelvin incident.

Many that would have changed, might have only changed superficially. Such as the Cage happening with Pike commanding the USS Defiant, USS Robau or whatever, with Spock as a science officer.

Kirk is STILL the same James T Kirk, his destiny unchanged, but delayed due to circumstances.

The Chekov in the film not being the SAME Pavel Chekov is a very interesting concept. I kinda like that premise.

People who think everything is just being thrown out the window randomly aren't taking the time to think before they type, sorry.

Yeah, I know people who have picked out a name for a child, and would have used the name even if you changed the date of conception. As long as the child was still the same sex, they would have used that name.

I'll buy it. What the hell! But I can live with them looking a bit different, and having slightly different backgrounds even without special explanations. Thats all fine for me.

And lots of episodes could still happen. The planet killer seemed to greatly precede the timeline change, so its still out there, as are other events.

Just as long as Kirk still gets to stand up and bellow out to the wind... "I am Kierock!" I will be happy! :-)
 
The Cage could still happen in the revised continuity. It will just be Kirk in command this time.
 
Yeah, I know people who have picked out a name for a child, and would have used the name even if you changed the date of conception. As long as the child was still the same sex, they would have used that name.

That in fact did happen to me. My wife and I were going to name our first Michael. She miscarried twice in our first couple years together, and third time around, we name our son Michael.

Just as long as Kirk still gets to stand up and bellow out to the wind... "I am Kierock!" I will be happy! :-)

um..... maybe not. ;)

Stories still possible to happen nearly the same if not identical, technically almost all of them could. Although I'd say that new circumstances would likely change where people and starships are assigned. It could very easily be the USS Hood that responds to a distress call from station K7. Or the Potemkin or Excalibur that are assigned to test the M5 computer.

But Enterprise still might be the one to encounter Romulan attacks along the neutral zone one day. Or find a sleeper ship full of genetic Supermen. Or Enterprise was never in the sector where the Botany Bay was discovered, and six months later, the Botany Bay's path brings it too close to the gravity well of a sun, and the ship is destroyed with no one ever knowing it existed.
 
Just as long as Kirk still gets to stand up and bellow out to the wind... "I am Kierock!" I will be happy! :-)

I think Chris Pine should do just that scene and put it on YouTube.

LOL. I'd love to see that. There was one time when I thought (unintentionally) he tried to invoke Shatner. After he was first injected by Dr. McCoy and starts experiencing the symptoms. He tries to say something but almost passes out. The way that played out was very Shatner.

Although they used him for comic relief a lot, Chekov was pretty smart. He was always Spock's replacement as science officer and the old Star Trek writer's guide stated that after Spock, no one was better than him in the science department. He was also a jack of all-trades. Back-up science officer, navigator, security chief in the first movie, and first officer of the Reliant in the second movie. That indicates someone who is smart and can multitask.

Not having gone through The Cage is 50/50 for Pike. He gets to keep his good looks but he won't be banging Vina.
 
Actually, this movie has erradicated all previous Trek.......Not just the Cage.

Think about this for a minute. Everyone's life has been changed, which mean their children's lives as well. It may be that some who were destined to have kids now may not have any!

No TNG, no DS9, no Voyager, no ENTERPRISE, no nothing. Totally erased from history.

:eek:
 
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