The Borg, explain to me

[TerragonSix]

Then how could they have existed back 900 years in the past as the Vaudwaar mention in "Dragon's Teeth"?

I don't see how there is any reasonable connection between V'ger and the Borg.

It's canon that the Borg are capable of time travel. (ST: First Contact).

What if V'Ger and Decker (I will refer them both as the Entity form now on), traveled back in time, in a far away region of space, and had their offspring. Maybe it was innocent enough at first; a new lifeform having new beings.

Maybe, overtime it got warped. Perhaps The Borg traveled through time when they starting assimilating.

You can't deny that there is a similarity between V'Ger and The Borg. V'Ger saved entire planets, cultures, races, etc. into Data, whereas The Borg assimilated cultures races into one society. Both involve the collection of 'data' in one way or another.

 

[RoJoHen]

*Smirks*

Well, I thought this up, it would probably never make any sense whatsoever, but it could be inter-connected.

Remember TMP? The all encompassing V'Ger, origninally a probe known as Voyager VI. Entered a wormhole, landed on a mechanized planet. Altered so that it could fulfill its mission, it went all around the galaxy, absorbing information and saving entire races as data.

Of course, it couldn't do Earth, because Decker joined with it so that V'Ger could 'touch the creator'. From that, we assume that they are a new life form. A life form part machine and part human... starting to sound familiar?

The Borg assimilate races and cultures on the basis of unity (or so I assume). They have extremely advanced technology.

What if the Borg are the offspring of V'Ger and Decker?

I assure you that you are not the first person to think this up. This has, in fact, been a fan theory for decades.

 

[TerragonSix]

*Smirks*

Well, I thought this up, it would probably never make any sense whatsoever, but it could be inter-connected.

Remember TMP? The all encompassing V'Ger, origninally a probe known as Voyager VI. Entered a wormhole, landed on a mechanized planet. Altered so that it could fulfill its mission, it went all around the galaxy, absorbing information and saving entire races as data.

Of course, it couldn't do Earth, because Decker joined with it so that V'Ger could 'touch the creator'. From that, we assume that they are a new life form. A life form part machine and part human... starting to sound familiar?

The Borg assimilate races and cultures on the basis of unity (or so I assume). They have extremely advanced technology.

What if the Borg are the offspring of V'Ger and Decker?

I assure you that you are not the first person to think this up. This has, in fact, been a fan theory for decades.

I never assumed I was the first one to think it up. But I did think it up on my own accord, and there is some plausibility to it.

With the Borg having time-travel capabilities, literally almost anything is possible. I don't say that the V'Ger-Borg theory is necessarily the correct one, but I do think its possible.

 

[Anwar]

Roddenberry himself joked that the Machine World from TMP may have been the Borg Homeworld, but I doubt there's any connected.

 

[BillJ]

Roddenberry himself joked that the Machine World from TMP may have been the Borg Homeworld, but I doubt there's any connected.

Roddenberry was senile and on deaths door at that point. So I doubt his rambilings meant anything.

 

[Anwar]

It was after "Q Who?" he said that, was he really in THAT bad a shape by 1989? He always meant it as a joke.

 

[BillJ]

It was after "Q Who?" he said that, was he really in THAT bad a shape by 1989? He always meant it as a joke.

I've heard the assertion before but never had I heard it being framed as a joke.

 

[sonak]

Roddenberry himself joked that the Machine World from TMP may have been the Borg Homeworld, but I doubt there's any connected.

Roddenberry was senile and on deaths door at that point. So I doubt his rambilings meant anything.

I don't think that Roddenberry was senile in '89 or '90.

 

[Sector 7]

They started out as Jehovah's Witnesses and it escalated from there.

Thank you for that coffee-spew of the morning!

Clearly, some fool in the Delta Quadrant let a nanobot experiment get out of control. With a whole galaxy of people fucking around, it's a wonder that there aren't more Borgs and Doomsday Machines out there.

So true- you'd think it'd be the way half the species in the galaxy end up. I wonder if the Borg ever ran into another, separately evolved race of machine-organisms, and they all joined up? I bet they did. Maybe they have multiple origins? We don't even really know how life started on this planet, let alone all the rest of `em.

Sure we do, watch "The Chase" from TNG. A master race that looks a lot like every race we ever saw in Trek went around "planting seeds" all over the galaxy. Next thing ya know, up pops Cardies , Klingons and Rommies , etc.

 

[Anwar]

Yeah, no one ever wondered why all the Borg looked like humans with mechanical parts, even before we learned about assimilation.

 

[T'Girl]

With the Borg having time-travel capabilities, literally almost anything is possible.

Okay, then what possible reason could there be for the Borg to travel 900 years (or whatever) into the past to begin being the Borg, as opposed to staying in the present and starting from now?

Ether way they are starting from a small beginning. Just as there would be races and organizations to oppose them in the 23rd/24th centuries, there would be different, but similar, interstellar races and groups in the 13th/14th centuries in the galaxy.

 

[Anwar]

There are plenty of more powerful civilizations around in Trek to justify why the Borg haven't really conquered the Galaxy by now.

Heck, even the "900 years ago" thing doesn't mesh with what Q and Guinan said that the Borg had been around for millenia. Unless the Borg from 900 years ago were just one Borg Cluster of the Collective that was recently formed in that area.

The bigger issue is why the Borg are called a Collective or a Hive Mind when its' shown that they're more like a combined physical/mental Viral Lifeform that doesn't really incorporate the actual minds of their assimilated Drones as it more just absorbs their knowledge and mutilate their bodies. If they were a true Collective/Hive Mind then the actual personalities of the people assimilated would end up influencing the Collective after enough are assimilated.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

If they were a true Collective/Hive Mind then the actual personalities of the people assimilated would end up influencing the Collective after enough are assimilated.

There are too many drones for that. Enough personalities and they would tend to blend into each other and be unrecognizable.

Me, I'm going with the Destiny explanation. Seems legit.

 

[Anwar]

There are too many drones for that. Enough personalities and they would tend to blend into each other and be unrecognizable.

Would be a nice story though, and a built-in way of defeating the Borg:

They start to assimilate a world, but after assimilating too many people the assimilates overpower the Collective and terminate the Borg sent to assimilate them. Then they order the ship to begin de-assimilating them until the ship cannot sustain itself and they get Fed reinforcements to de-assimilate the rest.

We already know that if there are more benevolent people in the Hive-mind that the result is benevolent: Voyagers' "Unity".

 

[Paradon]

Clearly, some fool in the Delta Quadrant let a nanobot experiment get out of control. With a whole galaxy of people fucking around, it's a wonder that there aren't more Borgs and Doomsday Machines out there.

So true- you'd think it'd be the way half the species in the galaxy end up. I wonder if the Borg ever ran into another, separately evolved race of machine-organisms, and they all joined up? I bet they did. Maybe they have multiple origins? We don't even really know how life started on this planet, let alone all the rest of `em.

There is a good episode on TNG about nanobots that might explain the origin of the Borg. On TNG the nanobots became self-aware.

 

[7thsealord]

We already know that if there are more benevolent people in the Hive-mind that the result is benevolent: Voyagers' "Unity".

Very true, but we don't know how well that scales up.

In 'Unity', it is a comparitively small number - at least some of whom choose to reestablish a Collective voluntarily. When talking umpteen billion (mostly involuntary), results could be quite different.

 

[Destructor]

Me, I'm going with the Destiny explanation. Seems legit.

I enjoyed Destiny, but why does everything have to start with HUMANS?!?

 

[ZeroArmour]

Me, I'm going with the Destiny explanation. Seems legit.

I enjoyed Destiny, but why does everything have to start with HUMANS?!?

Actually, every explanation so far (that I know of) has used Humanity in the Borgs' origin.

The V'Ger one is easily the weakest though. The merging of Decker and V'Ger created a new being capable of trancending time and space, where in that do we get anything that resebles the Borg?But where does the Borg/V'ger idea come from? In TMP Spock says (of V'Ger's power) "Resistance would be futile"...That's it, one line.

 

[Tiberius]

Yeah, I can't imagine that anything that says that Humans somehow began the Borg would seem plausible. Enough of the small galaxy syndrome!

 

[Disruptor]

My theories:

The Caretaker created the borg as a robo-butlers to manage the Ocampa when he died. They evolved and former a hive-mind labour union.

Q created the Borg just to piss off Picard, the Continuum gave him a slap on the noncorporeal wrist for it.

An ancient race had a civil war between technophiles and luddites and technophobes were losing so they forced tech on everyone by created nanoprobes that infected the whole population, but the underintended result was a hive mind. (the TECHNOLOGY IS BAD origin)

The Borg were created by a now extinct race to combat an even worse galactic, nah, intergalactic threat, one which is now dormant but when it returns will be an even greater enemy than the Borg. (This is the Babylon 5 or Warhammer 40K style backstory.)

Some time paradox creates the Borg...the Borg try to stop Admiral Janeway's ENDGAME shenanigans but somehow go travek millenia back in time and create themselves.

I think any one of those ideas is a really crappy.