The borg are the end-stage socialists.
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As a socialist, I have to protest this notion.
That's funny, I thought they were end-stage white nationalists...
In reality, they are end-stage any totalitarian philosophy. They can be a metaphor for colonization, slavery, religious domination, you name it.
Technically I guess you can argue it’s an extreme version of socialism.
But invoking totalitarian versions of any philosophy as a way to connect modest social reforms to a spectrum that inherently slides to the extreme is absurd.
It is not end stage socialism because socialism is not a progression of stages. Any form of it that has been proposed in the US is mutually exclusive with totalitarian forms, and are not early stages of a progression towards them.
I like the idea of a voluntary collective. I guess it’d be more like a cult.
But invoking totalitarian versions of any philosophy as a way to connect modest social reforms to a spectrum that inherently slides to the extreme is absurd.
It is not end stage socialism because socialism is not a progression of stages. Any form of it that has been proposed in the US is mutually exclusive with totalitarian forms, and are not early stages of a progression towards them.
I like the idea of a voluntary collective. I guess it’d be more like a cult.
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Socialism is not the same as communism or totalitarianism or other -isms. Bernie (for example) is hardly a totalitarian. and he believes in democracy as much as you or me. I'm not a Bernie supporter, but nor am I a demonizer.
This is a bizarre thread.
Exactly, if anything's the end stage of the American left it's Sweden's form of socialism. There's plenty of legitimate criticism of the American left, and people are throwing in absurd fearmongering totalitarian comparisons instead. The Borg is just a more clever one.
Truer words have never been spoken.
That the Collective would be callous about the life of the individual isn't quite true, or relevant. Once assimilated, a Collective member apparently is immortal, existing virtually and independently of its former body, and this personality can even find its way into a new body (Seven's, say).
The Collective really isn't a way of life, but more a way of afterlife. And those interested in afterlife generally aren't apprehensive about the idea of losing their bodies, especially if this is for a good cause.
Speaking of which, "atrocities"? The Borg kill their enemies when needed. Starfleet personnel do that out of their own evil free will, though, so killing those misguided bastards might appear sensible to any peace-minded Drone... Let alone to the compassionate Collective. Asking for "informed consent" shouldn't occur in the context, either, as no mere pre-assimilation individual would be capable of the first part.
Timo Saloniemi
The Collective really isn't a way of life, but more a way of afterlife. And those interested in afterlife generally aren't apprehensive about the idea of losing their bodies, especially if this is for a good cause.
Speaking of which, "atrocities"? The Borg kill their enemies when needed. Starfleet personnel do that out of their own evil free will, though, so killing those misguided bastards might appear sensible to any peace-minded Drone... Let alone to the compassionate Collective. Asking for "informed consent" shouldn't occur in the context, either, as no mere pre-assimilation individual would be capable of the first part.
Timo Saloniemi
Errrrrg
That pretty much been the justification of every socialist or fascist dictator
I'd rather die a free individual than live oppressed.
Anything that requires force is wrong.
But then I am libertarian in nature. Everyone should be free to do what they want provided it does not hurt person or property.
However if the Borg offered one to live free in a virtual paradise like unimatrix 0 while they used the physical body.....or offered immortality to the people in that paradise? I could see a flood of volenteers.
Within their borders they have peace and tranquility as they quietly work towards a perfection. The collective consciousness in some ways reminds me of the changeling great link. Maybe the ultimate destiny of all beings are not as individuals, at least not full time, but as part of a greater joyous whole. The thing if find most unsound about the Bork was shown in unimatrix zero when they did attmempt to crush what could have been their greatest strength, allowing borg go enjoy a kind of idyllic paradise when not serving the greater entirety.
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