I'm all for seeing the JJBorg in the next one, but I want them without a Queen-type leader.
But I don't think that would happen.
But I don't think that would happen.
The Borg and JJ's universe
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Not according to DTI: Watching the Clock. It says that if it's a strictly one-way time travel like the black holes in STXI, an alternate history branches off. But if it's a two-way time travel method, then the new reality created remains entangled with the old and overwrites it.
That said, the novels aren't canon and are prone to being contradicted. But that explanation does jibe quite well with just about every prior episode and movie we've seen, as well as the comments from the new movie's writers.
Contradicting yourself. So does JJ's universe then stamp out the existing one or is a parallel universe created?
To make it work though - you're right. Because in order for the Federation to exist at all, the Borg have to travel back in time.
There's no contradiction. The black hole was a one-way time travel, so it created a branching timeline splitting off in 2233. The two-way forms oftime travel, like the vortex in "Yesterday's Enterprise" (which could be flown back and forth through), caused the prime-timeline to be overwritten, as did use of the Guardian of Forever time portal or the slingshot maneuver.
Even though the novels are not canon they do help me explain the events of Trek 09. There are many different types of time travel. Some types of time travel will be contained in one time line and may not effect that timeline or it could possible overwrite the timeline. We see this in the majority of Trek movies/shows. This type of time travel is contained to one singular universe and is linear. Another type of time travel will create and alternate or parallel universe. That is what we see in Trek 09.
I see. It's all 'trek-nobabble,' [TM] though right?
And a convenient way to solve contunity problems. On topic; What are the Borg up to in JJ's universe right now - any speculation? Because of all of the temporal activity in the Alpha quadrant it wouldn't peak their interest?
Do these universes get created, or they always existed. If it was created then the Narada's appearance created a copy of an entire universe and a copy of everyone in it.
So the NuUniverse has no past and didn't exist, therefore no appearances by future visits or anyone else.
So the NuUniverse has no past and didn't exist, therefore no appearances by future visits or anyone else.
Don't cross streams !!! :P
Sorry, wrong franchise...
New universe is created at this point.
Multiverse quantum physics can get extremely weird sometimes.
This is the logical assumption.
Also, a new timeline is not created by the FORWARD travel, but by the backward travel only.
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next movie premise: We know the Borg seek out technology worthy of assimilation. Certainly the Narada's advanced tech, especially since it included 25th century Borg tech would be a very tempting target for the Borg from nuKirk's era. So, the Borg come to the Alpha Quadrant seeking to assimilate the tech from the Narada.
^^^ That's assuming there is anything left of it that wasn't sucked in by the black hole and/or destroyed by the Enterprise's ejected beer tanks...er...warp core.
Yeah, I wouldn't be opposed to seeing the Borg come back in the next one. Might be interesting...
Yeah, I wouldn't be opposed to seeing the Borg come back in the next one. Might be interesting...
Ahhhh fuck me...
I think I know how it could be done: V'ger. They could merge V'ger and the concept of the Borg and have V'ger (still Voyager VI / Voyager II) being at the core, but in its effort to evolve it started assimilating humans to try to figure out how to merge with God.
I think I know how it could be done: V'ger. They could merge V'ger and the concept of the Borg and have V'ger (still Voyager VI / Voyager II) being at the core, but in its effort to evolve it started assimilating humans to try to figure out how to merge with God.
They already did include a V'Ger-Borg connection in the Nero comics back in 2009.
I think it was that both V'Ger and the Borg are products of an unknown, ancient civilization.
I think it was that both V'Ger and the Borg are products of an unknown, ancient civilization.
I don't think of a new timeline being created. I interpret it as one timeline branching into two. That before 2233, the prime Universe and JJVerse share a past, in that sense they both always existed.
Like I said in another thread, I wouldn't mind if they adapted "Q Who?" and used Trelane instead of Q (played by James Callis of course).
A big budget borg movie could show us a lot of things they couldn't do on TV, like a ground view of a planet being sliced up and assimilated.
A big budget borg movie could show us a lot of things they couldn't do on TV, like a ground view of a planet being sliced up and assimilated.
Origin of the Species
Picard and crew's actions in ST:FC didn't create an *alternate* timeline, they merely fulfilled the existing one. Meaning: The Ent-E's participation in the events of 2063 was always supposed to happen. It's a predestination paradox.
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