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The Bond "Quantum of Solace" Criticisms Didn't Make Any Sense

The main problem with QoS is the lack of a good villain. If the bad guy doesnt seem menacing then your hero doesnt seem quite up to snuff. CR had a good bad guy that would whack your balls off but in QoS we get a little whiney bitch that never seemed a threat to our hero.
 
QoS is a film with nuanced details that can be easily missed. The key plot isn't Bond vs the villain, but rather its Bond vs himself.

At the start of the movie, Bond tells M that he has gotten over Vesper and isn't seeking revenge. He is clearly lying as observed in the chase sequence on the roofs of Italy. Instead of capturing Mitchel the MI6 traitor for questioning about the secret organization Quantum, Bond kills him outright. That's hardly the Bond that we are familiar with.

Through QoS and especially through the Bond girl, Daniel Craig's Bond learns to let go of vengeance and to focus on the bigger picture. What we end up with is a Bond who is growing into the suave international spy that we are familiar with.
 
I didn't much care for Quantum of Solace. I remember hearing the theme on a Coke advert and thinking that Coke had made a knock-off Bond theme because they couldn't get the real one.

The thing I can't wrap my head around is that within the space of one film, we're back to Bond flying aeroplanes and motorbikes and shooting whilst falling and swinging and leaping and running. We may as well have had anoter Brosnan movie.
 
QoS is a film with nuanced details that can be easily missed. The key plot isn't Bond vs the villain, but rather its Bond vs himself.

At the start of the movie, Bond tells M that he has gotten over Vesper and isn't seeking revenge. He is clearly lying as observed in the chase sequence on the roofs of Italy. Instead of capturing Mitchel the MI6 traitor for questioning about the secret organization Quantum, Bond kills him outright. That's hardly the Bond that we are familiar with.

Through QoS and especially through the Bond girl, Daniel Craig's Bond learns to let go of vengeance and to focus on the bigger picture. What we end up with is a Bond who is growing into the suave international spy that we are familiar with.

I don't think capturing Mitchell was an option, remember in the end both Bond and Mitchell were going for their guns, 007 didn't really have much of a choice there, and Bond cold bloodedly killing badguys rather than interogate them is nothing new, take Connery shooting Professor Dent in Dr No.

You're right though the film is about Bond, and the two films nicely bookend each other. At the start of CR M castigates Bond for killing the bomber rather than taking him alive, saying he can't see the bigger picture. By the end of QoS Bond doesn't kill the man he perhaps has more reason to see dead than any other because he's more use alive. And I love how CR starts in snowy eastern europe and ends in sunny Iraly, whilst QoS starts in Italy and ends up in snowy eastern Europe!
 
The problem with QoS was that it's supposed to be the middle chapter of a trilogy. This was announced early on (and anyone paying attention to the film realizes it, too), but after the film came out this aspect got forgotten. So you had people bitching about it not having enough of a resolution, etc. Actually some of the same criticisms that were heaped upon Empire Strikes Back and The Two Towers, come to think of it. Except in the case of QoS there was no real jumping on point, which made some people uncomfortable because they've never done this before -- even Diamonds Are Forever, which starts with Bond going after Blofeld for killing Tracy at the end of OHMSS, doesn't require knowledge of the previous film. But QoS should not be watched by anyone who hasn't first seen CR. This is a weakness, but it's one inherent in most Part 2s of 3.

I find fandoms tend to experience some sort of "buyer's remorse" if they go ga-ga over a film or series, and as a result, the next entry tends to get savaged. People seemed to feel almost guilty about how much praise they gave CR, so when QoS came along, they took out their frustrations on it. We'll see the same thing when Star Trek XII comes out - that film will be lambasted no matter what JJ Abrams does with it. The knives are already being sharpened for Caprica after several years of praise for Battlestar Galactica, too. And Torchwood is attracting much of the criticism that might have been directed at Doctor Who had DW not come out of the starting gate so strong and remained there.

I saw nothing wrong with QoS. Was it better than CR? No, but CR was this generation's From Russia with Love, and the films that followed that 1963 classic were lesser, too. But as a Bond film it was great. I laughed when I read the Bourne comparisons - those people clearly have never read an Ian Fleming James Bond novel in their life. If they did they'd be criticising Ludlum and the Bourne movies, not Bond.

No romance? GOOD. It would have violated the logic of the film for Bond to go ga-ga over a girl considering he was still heartbroken over losing Vesper. And, no, going to bed with Fields doesn't count.

A weak villain? Maybe, but remember he wasn't the real villain. The as-yet-unseen forces behind Quantum are the villain (please let it be Blofeld!). Anyway, there have been terrific Bond films without strong villains in the past - Thunderball, For Your Eyes Only, Octopussy, to name a few.

The criticisms I've heard over the theme song are so silly I won't even go into them. I heard so much hatred for Another Way to Die before the film came out that I expected 3 minutes to cat screeching and instead heard a Bond theme 10 times better than anything from the Moore era (save perhaps For Your Eyes Only). News flash: Shirley Bassey isn't interested in recording any more Bond theme songs. Get over it.

QoS was a great Bond film, and while I acknowledge it wasn't to everyone's tastes, it worked for me, and I look forward to the next one. (And considering QoS apparently made more money than any Bond film in history, that's a safe bet).

Alex
 
I heard so much hatred for Another Way to Die before the film came out that I expected 3 minutes to cat screeching and instead heard a Bond theme 10 times better than anything from the Moore era (save perhaps For Your Eyes Only).
You're shitting me. Better then Live And Let Die? All Time High? The Spy Who Loved Me?!
 
The problem with QoS was that it's supposed to be the middle chapter of a trilogy. This was announced early on (and anyone paying attention to the film realizes it, too), but after the film came out this aspect got forgotten.

This is actually the first I'm hearing about this. I really can't recall any of the marketing or any of the filmmakers saying this movie was to be considered as the middle of a trilogy. You might be right and that was the intent, but I don't think this idea was as publicized as you say. Also, didn't Craig sign on for 5 movies, which would kind of go against the trilogy idea?


The criticisms I've heard over the theme song are so silly I won't even go into them. I heard so much hatred for Another Way to Die before the film came out that I expected 3 minutes to cat screeching and instead heard a Bond theme 10 times better than anything from the Moore era (save perhaps For Your Eyes Only).

I agree on this, it's probably one of my favorite Bond themes. But then again, I like the a-ha song too.
 
The problem with QoS was that it's supposed to be the middle chapter of a trilogy. This was announced early on (and anyone paying attention to the film realizes it, too), but after the film came out this aspect got forgotten.

This is actually the first I'm hearing about this. I really can't recall any of the marketing or any of the filmmakers saying this movie was to be considered as the middle of a trilogy. You might be right and that was the intent, but I don't think this idea was as publicized as you say. Also, didn't Craig sign on for 5 movies, which would kind of go against the trilogy idea?

I heard rumours of a trilogy, but watching CR and QoS they're clearly a two part story. The next film will follow on, and might use Quantum, but I don't think it will be classed as a trilogy per se.
 
The problem with QoS was that it's supposed to be the middle chapter of a trilogy. This was announced early on (and anyone paying attention to the film realizes it, too), but after the film came out this aspect got forgotten.

This is actually the first I'm hearing about this. I really can't recall any of the marketing or any of the filmmakers saying this movie was to be considered as the middle of a trilogy. You might be right and that was the intent, but I don't think this idea was as publicized as you say. Also, didn't Craig sign on for 5 movies, which would kind of go against the trilogy idea?

I heard rumours of a trilogy, but watching CR and QoS they're clearly a two part story. The next film will follow on, and might use Quantum, but I don't think it will be classed as a trilogy per se.

Read the words I've highlighted. Doesn't a movie that reveals Quantum count as part 3 of the trilogy?
 
Not really, Quantum is now just one possible enemy who could be used in a film, the same as SPECTRE was. The main story in CR and QoS was Bond becoming Bond, we reached that point at the end of QoS when the gun barrel sequence appeared.
 
Not really, Quantum is now just one possible enemy who could be used in a film, the same as SPECTRE was. The main story in CR and QoS was Bond becoming Bond, we reached that point at the end of QoS when the gun barrel sequence appeared.

I guess my viewpoint is slightly different. By the end of QoS, Craig's Bond has indeed become more Bond-like. While he now is better able to set aside his desire for revenge, I still feel that he needs closure by either shutting down Quantum or killing/capturing the person in Quantum who gave the kill order. More importantly, we the audience have not seem him act and perform stunts the way James Bond does it.

Hopefully, these are the kind of stuff we will see in the Daniel Craig's third Bond outing.
 
The criticisms I've heard over the theme song are so silly I won't even go into them. I heard so much hatred for Another Way to Die before the film came out that I expected 3 minutes to cat screeching and instead heard a Bond theme 10 times better than anything from the Moore era (save perhaps For Your Eyes Only).

I agree on this, it's probably one of my favorite Bond themes. But then again, I like the a-ha song too.

I liked the A-Ha song, but I've disliked every song since. But then, the whole music thing is a pretty shallow Bond cliche that started with Goldfinger's cheesy tune. It's largely disposable at this point, like Monnypenny, Q and gadgets.

This whole HE'S BECOMING THE SAUVE BOND WE KNOW stuff is getting a bit worn (remember it was supposed to happen by the end of Casino Royale, too). I don't want Craig to suddenly become Brosnan or Moore or even Connery. This ain't the Bond we know, that's the whole point, right?
 
Regarding the OP, except for the 'Bond is Bourne' thing I don't remember reading a lot of those other criticisms.

Plus, the 'Bond is Bourne' thing has a lot of merit, especially since they hired the fight choreographer from the Bourne series to do QoS's fight sequences. I think he was also on board for Casino Royale, as well.

My main issues with it were:
-Villain was one of the weakest in Bond history
-Plot was all over the place
-Too many location switches
-Very little chemistry between Bond and the main 'Bond girl'
-Putting some of the lesser characters from CR in the film for brief cameos that have little impact
 
Generally this happens when people watch a movie, and something is off about it that doesn't suck them in the way they expected, but they can't put the finger on it. Thus you get a bunch of muddled criticisms that don't always make sense. It's like people are desperately trying to identify what about it didn't grab them. Maybe it makes us feel smart to have a bullet pointed list or something.

A lot of times it's really just something about the film's "aura"... everything interacts to create this aura, the editing (an oft-overlooked factor), the dialogue, the little things about the performance, the way certain lines are delivered, camera movements, cuts,

I think its interesting that a large swatch of Casino Royale fans (myself included) came out of QoS, with just this overriding "feeling" that it didn't grab them the way the previous did. People spawned this feeling into half-a-dozen different criticisms, some of which probably aren't true in a literal sense... in the end, it's all the execution. Two movies (not these two films specifically but in general) can have the same tone... the same actors.... the same plot... the same twists.... the same composer, director, crew, with the same mentality behind making it....... and it's perfectly acceptable to love one and hate the other. All comments on a film are, on some level, driven by our enjoyment... this isn't public policy here, there's no such thing as being a hypocrite when talking about your enjoyment of a film.
 
^Yeah as I've said, I think it is overedited. If they had stuck with one editor it would likely have been a better film.
 
thebestpageintheuniverse.net said:
The decision to set this movie in Bolivia was puzzling, because based on my knowledge of the geopolitical influence of Latin American countries, I posit the following: Bolivia doesn't matter. In fact, none of the scenes in the movie were even shot in Bolivia (shot in Chile instead). But what makes this plot industrial-strength stupid is that it's based on a true story. Only they forgot to tell you that. What's it called when you borrow a story without giving credit? Oh yeah, theft. But to be fair, they did change the story by making it duller:

In 1999, Bechtel corporation signed a contract with the president of Bolivia to privatize the water supply in the 3rd-largest city, and shortly thereafter tripled the water rates (source - new window). Yeah, that's right, they tripled the rates in real life... so when the bad guy in James Bond threatens to double the rates, it's like the producers are challenging you to give less of a shit. They took a non-interesting real-life story and somehow made it less interesting than real life.

Heh. Just...heh.
 
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