I haven't seen the movie, but Venom showed up in the comics (and Batman got addicted to it) about two years before Bane ever made an appearance.
Spoilers The Batman (2022) - Review and Discussion Thread
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I haven't seen the movie, but Venom showed up in the comics (and Batman got addicted to it) about two years before Bane ever made an appearance.
Hmm. Didn’t know that. Was in one of my “not currently buying comics” phases at that time. Could make for an interesting subplot in future releases.
Yeah, the first storyline about the Venom drug had Batman being set up to use the stuff, get addicted and be a test subject for a Doctor and corrupt Army General to see what it would do to him. Then they started brainwashing and experimenting on kids to turn them into Super-Soldiers. Bane was supposed to be another "Test Model" of the Super Soldier Venom project when he showed up.
Okay, help me out: You remember when Batman was knocked out by the bomb, regained consciousness at the GCPD headquarters, and had to pretend assaulting Gordon to get out? How was that resolved? I mean, he was wanted for questioning over his involvement with the bombing/interfering with a hostage situation, he assaulted a police officer and ran from a whole precinct of cops, with a very dramatic jump from the tower. But at the end, he's present for Falcone's arrest and walks among the cops in Riddler's apartment. So, what happened there, why did the police stop hunting Batman? Was there something to explain that?
Anyway, loved the movie, and planning on seeing it again this weekend.
Anyway, loved the movie, and planning on seeing it again this weekend.
Seemed self-evident to me--Falcone was exposed as "the rat", the cops waiting outside were the uncorrupted, and things continued from there (I presumed the uncorrupted came to support Gordon, who already had the proof he needed from the phone recording in the hands of the corrupt cop he and Batman rescued from a fall). In a three hour movie, the extra scene to explain everything was unnecessary (it's not like the uncorrupt cops would all gather like that without any reason--connecting the dots is left to the audience, as it should--it requires no unlikely scenarios, just imagining an off-screen info-dump by Gordon).
Yeah, I wasn't sure about it at first, but once they never made an issue of it, I assumed it was just nothing more than adrenaline.
I read in an interview with Mat Reeves the other day that there actually was another, earlier, scene with Barry Keoghan's not yet Joker, but it was cut. He said he is hoping to release it later, so it'll probably be with the home video release. I was looking for the interview to put up a link, but I can't find it now.
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But didn't they want to question Batman on possible connections to the Riddler? Falcone being revealed as the rat wouldn't resolve that. Also, he assaulted Gordon to escape (yeah, with Gordon's consent, but that would really implicate Gordon more than absolve Batman, if that were revealed). So, unless I missed something, Batman being hunted by the police didn't come up again afterwards. Then, why do it in the first place? They didn't really need Batman being chased by the cops, except to have a dramatic stunt.
They needed it to get him out of a precinct where too many of them were corrupt. Plenty of time between his escape and the Falcone arrest for Gordon to get the uncorrupted cops on the same page. But no way for either Gordon or Batman to know that before the escape from the precinct.
Hm. You're probably right. I'll see if that scene gets clearer to me when I rewatch the movie.
The one I read was on IGN, but I think it was probably taken from that one.
Not to be confused with Batman (1989), or the upcoming A Batman and That Batman!
Just came back from the cinema from seeing it and I thought it was pretty good. It doesn’t reinvent the character in any way but the story was good, if not a little long.
They clearly have taken inspiration from Geoff Johns Earth-1 series this time; with a less experienced Batman who makes mistakes, to the Material about the Wayne and Arkham families. Even Alfred is seen to have a limp.
Overall I would give it a B. Not my favorite iteration of him, but no where near the worst.
Saw it last night (10:30 PM showing at the Yonge-Dundas Cineplex theater in the VIP section here in Toronto); was...good (an A-) but was a bit too dark (picture-wise) for me (another problem-and this was my fault-is that I didn't have my glasses with me.) Was surprised to see Batman not able to neutralize the bombs before they went off; am planning to see it again. Loved the black James Gordon (Geoffrey Wright) and the black Catwoman/Selina Kyle (Zoe Kravitz).
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Saw this in IMAX (my first ever IMAX screening, in fact) last night and really enjoyed it, more than any DC film since, well, The Dark Knight.
It wasn’t perfect, definitely overlong, some scenes and plot points didn’t make a lot of sense (not least the flooding issue and how it resolved, if it did resolve) and I thought Andy Serkis didn’t make much of an impression as Alfred (possibly just a bit underused rather than any particular fault with his performance). But Reeves’ direction was superb, Dano was creepy as hell, Kravitz put her own stamp on Catwoman and Wright was at least as good as Oldman as Gordon. The score was also brilliant. I loved the muscle car Batmobile and Colin Farrell once again showed that he’s a great character actor in a leading man’s body (with that body trapped in a fat suit this time).
As for R-Pattz, I thought he nailed the part too. Probably a better Batman than Bruce Wayne but I liked that his BW was very different from Bale’s or Affleck’s, yet equally legitimate and valid. He looked a little scrawny in the shirtless scene but I guess they were going for a Bruce Lee look as opposed to the Arnie-type build of his immediate predecessors. Certainly he was totally convincing in the fight scenes and I loved the voiceover.
I’m useless at grades (what’s the difference between an A- and B+ anyway?) but I definitely recommend it.
It wasn’t perfect, definitely overlong, some scenes and plot points didn’t make a lot of sense (not least the flooding issue and how it resolved, if it did resolve) and I thought Andy Serkis didn’t make much of an impression as Alfred (possibly just a bit underused rather than any particular fault with his performance). But Reeves’ direction was superb, Dano was creepy as hell, Kravitz put her own stamp on Catwoman and Wright was at least as good as Oldman as Gordon. The score was also brilliant. I loved the muscle car Batmobile and Colin Farrell once again showed that he’s a great character actor in a leading man’s body (with that body trapped in a fat suit this time).
As for R-Pattz, I thought he nailed the part too. Probably a better Batman than Bruce Wayne but I liked that his BW was very different from Bale’s or Affleck’s, yet equally legitimate and valid. He looked a little scrawny in the shirtless scene but I guess they were going for a Bruce Lee look as opposed to the Arnie-type build of his immediate predecessors. Certainly he was totally convincing in the fight scenes and I loved the voiceover.
I’m useless at grades (what’s the difference between an A- and B+ anyway?) but I definitely recommend it.
Saw it tonight. The film got so much right but it doesn't work at almost 3 hours. Also didn't like what we saw of Joker, looked like something off 'Gotham'. Didn't buy this realistic Batman smashing his head under a bridge and then just walking away, especially since his head mask is just leather.
Good but too long. You'd be nuts to take kids to a movie with this slower pace.
Good but too long. You'd be nuts to take kids to a movie with this slower pace.
This is really good. So much to like. There’s some similarities with the Nolan films but those are kind of Batman must haves/clichés these days.
Best sign of hope is the VO at the end where Batman says he’s was too grim and needs to have a different approach.
Best sign of hope is the VO at the end where Batman says he’s was too grim and needs to have a different approach.
Didn't take long for speculation to begin on the next movie. Do not read link unless you've seen the movie or don't mind spoilers.
I'm hoping for Court of Owls or Hush to be in the next one. Both fit this style of movie and neither has seen a live action version yet.
I'm hoping for Court of Owls or Hush to be in the next one. Both fit this style of movie and neither has seen a live action version yet.
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The Batman
The latest film based on the comic book character. Over a year into his ‘Gotham Project’ Bruce Wayne finds himself in over his head in a rather urgent case when the Mayor of Gotham City is assassinated. In the course of trying to find the murderer, he finds that events in the city are coming to a head. His established relationship with Jim Gordon and the burgeoning one with Selina Kyle were both well done. The same with Alfred. It forms an emotional backbone for the plot. Then there is the villain, the Riddler. Sure, he was brutal, but it worked, and it added to the mystery.
Gotham City was well realized as a setting too. Overall, the film was rather good. 9.01/10.
Gotham City was well realized as a setting too. Overall, the film was rather good. 9.01/10.