The Aschen?

[Hermiod]

^Time travel is cheating after the fact, it did work. We lost. By the time anyone realised what was going on the effects were irreversible through conventional means.

 

[Silversmok3]

Indeed.The Goa-ould did their share of damage,but excluding Baal we didn't get owned so badly by them that time travel was the only alternative to defeat.

 

[Hermiod]

^Even then, he used it first.

 

[MNM]

The other two races were trying to wipe us out because that's just standard procedure for aliens bent on domination.
The Aschen would make a calculating and intelligent enemy who'd be just as sneaky as SG-1.

I just found the Aschen to be really boring and uninteresting.

Given that O'Neill nicknames one of them "Boring" (his actual name was Boren), that was the intention. They were, however, a lot smarter than the Goa'uld. Their plan to take over Earth worked, remember ?

Yeah I know they were meant to be portrayed as boring, I meant I found them as a concept boring and uninteresting, and I really dont see the fascination some people online have with them.

I dont think they were any smarter than the Goa'uld, they were just unencumbered with the debilitating egos that the Goa'uld had! And therefore go more done!

 

[Hermiod]

Yeah I know they were meant to be portrayed as boring, I meant I found them as a concept boring and uninteresting, and I really dont see the fascination some people online have with them.

I dont think they were any smarter than the Goa'uld, they were just unencumbered with the debilitating egos that the Goa'uld had! And therefore go more done!

They were interesting villains worthy of a final episode in the trilogy.

 

[All Seeing Eye]

When SG1 sent that note back in time to warn of the Aschen, what if someone was gate travelling? they would have been protected from the changes in the timeline. It's a big universe and i'm sure some people were gating around, and what if some Aschen were gating at that time?

 

[Hermiod]

^It's quite possible, it's a big galaxy and the gate was open for several minutes.

 

[Caleuche]

The Aschen would have made better bad guys than either the Goa-ould or the Ori,as the Aschen would have a personal reason to want to start a war with us.

The other two races were trying to wipe us out because that's just standard procedure for aliens bent on domination.
The Aschen would make a calculating and intelligent enemy who'd be just as sneaky as SG-1.

I liked the Aschen, they were like evil sinster Vulcans and yes, that was better that the cliched Goa'uld. SG-1 needed more recurring enemies as battling the same two got a little bit boring and repeative after a while.

The thing I also liked with the Aschen was, whereas the Goa'uld wanted to wipe us out or enslave, the Aschen just wanted to do what was logical. Our numbers were too great for our planet to sustain, so they pruned us back a bit. Their motivation never seemed to be power, but a sense of correcting the world to meet their math. They weren't truely evil, just to enamoured of their calculations. They were simply accountants gone wicked.

 

[EyalM]

The thing I also liked with the Aschen was, whereas the Goa'uld wanted to wipe us out or enslave, the Aschen just wanted to do what was logical. Our numbers were too great for our planet to sustain, so they pruned us back a bit. Their motivation never seemed to be power, but a sense of correcting the world to meet their math. They weren't truely evil, just to enamoured of their calculations. They were simply accountants gone wicked.

The Aschen (at least as far as I remember) didn't sterilize the population so it would be more sustainable, they did it so they can take over. In the second Aschen episode we saw a planet that they decimated its population and turned it into a farm planet for their own needs. I think they had similar plans for Earth.

 

[Gotham Central]

The thing I also liked with the Aschen was, whereas the Goa'uld wanted to wipe us out or enslave, the Aschen just wanted to do what was logical. Our numbers were too great for our planet to sustain, so they pruned us back a bit. Their motivation never seemed to be power, but a sense of correcting the world to meet their math. They weren't truely evil, just to enamoured of their calculations. They were simply accountants gone wicked.

The Aschen (at least as far as I remember) didn't sterilize the population so it would be more sustainable, they did it so they can take over. In the second Aschen episode we saw a planet that they decimated its population and turned it into a farm planet for their own needs. I think they had similar plans for Earth.

As far as I can tell, it was a bit of both. "Sustainable" as far as the Ashen were concerned meant small enough to leave sufficient surplus resources for them to exploit. Let us remember that the US government was aware of the Ashen plan, just not the scope. The thing is though that we have no idea of how many Ashen there actually were. For all we know, the Ashen themselves kept their own population low. (there did seem to be very few of them).

The one thing I will say about what they did to Earth vs what they did to the Vollians was that Earth was fully integrated into their Union. The Vollians were kept fairly primitive where as Earth was given advanced technology. I suspect that the Ashen had a different plan for Earth. They wanted to keep the population small enough not to be a threat, but it appeared that they actually had use for Human technichical expertise and willingness to explore. Its a good bet that the Ashen used Earth to eliminate the Goa'uld and thus added the Jaf'fa to their confederacy.

I think it would have been interesting to find out what their finaln plan was for Earth. The vollians were reduced to ignorant farmers, but then they were not that advanced to begin with. Earth was far more technologically advanced. Its possible that if the Ashen population is itself fairly small, then they just intended to assimilate Earth.

There is no reason that their objective needed to, strickly speaking, be seen as evil.

 

[Silversmok3]

The thing I also liked with the Aschen was, whereas the Goa'uld wanted to wipe us out or enslave, the Aschen just wanted to do what was logical. Our numbers were too great for our planet to sustain, so they pruned us back a bit. Their motivation never seemed to be power, but a sense of correcting the world to meet their math. They weren't truely evil, just to enamoured of their calculations. They were simply accountants gone wicked.

Its possible that if the Ashen population is itself fairly small, then they just intended to assimilate Earth.

There is no reason that their objective needed to, strickly speaking, be seen as evil.

Assimilation isnt evil ,its just 'forced integration' lol.

To be serious for a moment, the Aschen dont play short term conflict. The Goa-old were fiercly screw-tomorrow-lets-invade-fight-right now in their strategy, where the Aschen played the long hand-and won.

Their strategy is the same as the Goa'ould: Conquer the Tauri by planting the Aschen flag in Washington(or whatever world capital was designated in that timeline)

The difference is that the Aschen played the long-term hand. They might beat us in a straight-up war, but that's gonna cost some resources, and while the Aschen might win they'll be celebrating in a lean-to on some asteroid .

So , strike that.Since force is not an option, deceit is the only way. And imagine the damage a clever,vindictive alien with thousands of years to burn can do.That's the advantage the Aschen have over us:time.

As 2010 illustrated, they played it well.By the time the population visibly began decreasing, the Aschen canmake up a convenient reason why ( radiation from imploding Jupiter ?),and in those decades will have used the time to understand our tech down to the last digit of PI.

By the time our population gets low they wont need us anymore.We'll already have given them the keys to the vault.