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The Appeal Of Chekov

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Kep-Ten!!!!!!!”
 
I think his finest moment was his funniest, with Tamoon. I didn't enjoy hearing him in pain all the time.

Had TOS kept juggling the navigators you might've gotten more Riley or DeSalle in the process. Perhaps even Bailey could have returned, calmer and wiser.

Chekov was passed over for TAS. Had he began TOS earlier, perhaps they might have shut him out anyway. But every Saturday morning animated show seemed to require a pet, alien or wild card of some sort.

Koenig's the only surviving major TOS crewman I've yet to see in person. Perhaps one day.

While he wasn't Chekov on THE STARLOST, he played a decent antagonist there.....and earlier threatened James Caan of all people, when Koenig was ''Tiger'' on ALFRED HITCHCOCK presents. Digression ended.
A decent antagonist? I nearly fell off my chair laughing.

His character's name was Oro, and he wore a gold lame jumpsuit! :lol:

In not one, but two episodes...

I believed it was debatable if Chekov was intended to be a stand-in / clone for Davy Jones of The Monkees..

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Holy crap. Davy Jones looks like Ike Eisenmann in a Monkees/Beatles wig.

(Eisenmann played Scotty's nephew in TWoK.)

Although he was only in about 30 episodes, many of which he just spends sitting at the helm, I found Chekov more memorable than Sulu when I watched these episodes as a kid, although not a memorable as Rand. As an adult, looking back, Sulu is as cool as hell and highly competent, whereas Chekov is a bit of an educated idiot, more for comedy relief. So, if he was brought in to appeal more to a younger audience, mission accomplished, I guess! We loved Rand because she was so hilariously badly written compared to Jenna, Cally, Sarah Jane Smith, Leela, Wilma Deering, Princess Leia, Cassiopeia, and other contemporary sci fi heroines when I was growing up.
I have no idea who Jenna and Cally are, but the rest of the women on this list date to the mid-'70s at the earliest, which was a very different era of TV from the mid-'60s.

Rand in the first draft of City on the Edge of Forever could have been awesome but yeomen were largely useless, often being the only non officers and the only unarmed members of landing parties. Wilma Deering was terrible in the comic strip. Maybe not quite so bad in the Buster Crabbe series, but I was thinking more of Erin Gray. Rand was a bit more like Jo Grant - cute and not very bright.

I realise that Kirk, Spock, McCoy, and Scotty tended to save the day but was there an episode where Chekov was instrumental in helping? Way to Eden, maybe, albeit he was duped, so maybe not? He accidentally helped a couple of times either by dying or not dying but I don't recall him being effective...
Jo Grant was not stupid. She had a bright and bubbly personality, and a skillset the Doctor should have taken more advantage of than he did.

And of all the companions who left to get married, Jo's exit was the most natural and realistic. The Doctor didn't steal her shoe and lock her out of the TARDIS (Susan), she ended up with a man from her own century (Vicki didn't), Leela and Andred's pairing was just ridiculous, since that came out of absolutely nowhere (and the look on Andred's face made it evident that he didn't know wtf was going on either), and Peri married a warlord (though she gets bonus points for said warlord being played by Brian Blessed).

Well, you have to remember that older actors used to routinely play younger characters. At least up through the eighties, you’d have high school kids played by 30-year-olds.
Ugh. I'm reminded of the American version of The Tomorrow People. There is no way in hell I could believe that this version of Stephen Jameson was a high school student.

The original Stephen Jameson from the 1970s British show was played by an actual teenager, Peter Vaughan-Clarke (who sadly died last year).
 
A decent antagonist? I nearly fell off my chair laughing.

His character's name was Oro, and he wore a gold lame jumpsuit! :lol:

In not one, but two episodes...


Holy crap. Davy Jones looks like Ike Eisenmann in a Monkees/Beatles wig.

(Eisenmann played Scotty's nephew in TWoK.)


I have no idea who Jenna and Cally are, but the rest of the women on this list date to the mid-'70s at the earliest, which was a very different era of TV from the mid-'60s.


Jo Grant was not stupid. She had a bright and bubbly personality, and a skillset the Doctor should have taken more advantage of than he did.

And of all the companions who left to get married, Jo's exit was the most natural and realistic. The Doctor didn't steal her shoe and lock her out of the TARDIS (Susan), she ended up with a man from her own century (Vicki didn't), Leela and Andred's pairing was just ridiculous, since that came out of absolutely nowhere (and the look on Andred's face made it evident that he didn't know wtf was going on either), and Peri married a warlord (though she gets bonus points for said warlord being played by Brian Blessed).


Ugh. I'm reminded of the American version of The Tomorrow People. There is no way in hell I could believe that this version of Stephen Jameson was a high school student.

The original Stephen Jameson from the 1970s British show was played by an actual teenager, Peter Vaughan-Clarke (who sadly died last year).
Ya my comparators for Star Trek characters were in the seventies because that's when I grew up!
 
And Shatner is carrying his dead weight entirely with his arms. Shatner was pumped in those days.
Does he HAVE to be completely lifeless?
A decent antagonist? I nearly fell off my chair laughing.
As you wish. That was a purely accidental swipe on my part, and definitely not a reflection on his Mister Bester from BABYLON 5. Bill Mumy's character was quite free from obnoxiousness on that show. Bill Mumy has always been a good actor, even though Will reeks.
 
Well, you have to remember that older actors used to routinely play younger characters. At least up through the eighties, you’d have high school kids played by 30-year-olds.


For comparison, Walter Koenig was born in 1936. Davey Jones in 1945.
 
Well, you have to remember that older actors used to routinely play younger characters. At least up through the eighties, you’d have high school kids played by 30-year-olds.
This had me thinking of Roswell. The show came out in 1999, the lead male (Max Evans) is supposed to be 15 or 16, but the actor (Jason Behr) was 26. :lol:
 
From TMOST, a memo from Gene Roddenberry to casting director Joseph D'Agosta, dated September 22, 1966:

"Subject: NEEDED CREW TYPE

Keeping our teen-age audience in mind, also keeping aware of current trends, let's watch for a young, irreverent, English-accent Beatle type to try on the show, possibly with an eye to him reoccuring. Like the smallish fellow who looks to be a hit on 'The Monkees.' Personally I find this type spirited and refreshing, and I think our episodes could use that kind of lift. Let's discuss."

(Emphasis added.)

Yes, this was also mentioned the last time someone started a thread asking why Chekov was added to the show. I think that one was by the same OP who started this thread. :shifty:

But anyway, since Rand was mentioned, while she may have been along the lines of a stereotypical "female assistant" type character of the time, she was definitely resourceful. Nobody else thought to heat up a pot of coffee with a hand phaser!

Kor
 
Does he HAVE to be completely lifeless?

As you wish. That was a purely accidental swipe on my part, and definitely not a reflection on his Mister Bester from BABYLON 5. Bill Mumy's character was quite free from obnoxiousness on that show. Bill Mumy has always been a good actor, even though Will reeks.
I have nothing bad to say about Koenig's acting abilities. I was pleased to see him in Starlost at a time when I was new to Star Trek and happy to see the Trek actors anywhere else. What annoys me about his Starlost episodes was how ridiculously they were written, and you have a guy named ORO wearing a GOLD jumpsuit. What would they have called him if his costume had been some other color? Or did the costume department just suffer from a lack of imagination that week?

Oh, and I found Bester to be one of those "villains you love to hate" in B5. The novel trilogy about Bester was pretty good and gave me some insights to keep in mind if I ever rewatch the series.

They're two of the key featured females of BLAKE'S SEVEN. Fine show.
Never saw it, though maybe if it turns up on a free streaming service some day...

I have to laugh, though. "Jenna" and "Cally" were characters in the Dallas TV show (Jenna Wade, one of Bobby's girlfriends, and Cally Harper, a young woman who married JR in a literal shotgun wedding after he slept with her, and her brothers forced him to marry her or they'd kill him; when he escaped, he never expected her to turn up at Southfork, waving a marriage license and claiming to be his wife...).

Rand ... was ... definitely resourceful. Nobody else thought to heat up a pot of coffee with a hand phaser!

Kor
She should have mentioned that trick to Sulu, since he had a phaser with him. Then all they'd have needed to do was find the long rope and lower down the pot of coffee (which would have gone cold in the upper atmosphere anyway, and probably would have arrived frozen).

Of course this does make me wonder how Janice was so good at this in the first place. How many coffee pots did she vaporize before she found the exact setting and timing necessary? :shrug:
 
Yes, this was also mentioned the last time someone started a thread asking why Chekov was added to the show. I think that one was by the same OP who started this thread. :shifty:

But anyway, since Rand was mentioned, while she may have been along the lines of a stereotypical "female assistant" type character of the time, she was definitely resourceful. Nobody else thought to heat up a pot of coffee with a hand phaser!

Kor
Yeah Rand's make do and mend resourcefulness could have been a great recurring character trait, something the Yeomen Not-Rands were lacking, although Landon, at least was combat trained. Chekov always came across as book smart but not street smart. Rand could have been the opposite.
 
Chekov has his share of fans. I haven't seen Yeoman Rand-centric print 'zines like I have Chekov-centric ones.
 
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