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The apparent fragility of the Enterprise-D

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Re-watching TNG, one could almost create a drinking game out of how often the ships Warp system(s) go critical. (Okay, it really only happened like twice but...) The ship seems so fragile that the Galaxy class would almost seem to be a lemon! The obvious reasons for this are plot driven, but what of the in-universe reasons?
 
"Titanic Syndrome" perhaps? They thought they'd made the biggest, best ship possible and that nothing bad could happen to it?
 
The ship could be the Ferrari of outer space: deliberately built to the very edge of performance, so that it's always on the verge of breaking down, <Maxwell Smart voice>and loving it</Maxwell Smart voice>.

Or then it's the Axis warship: built by the industrial and military underdog to be qualitatively better than the vessels of the numerically much stronger opponents, at any cost (this cost usually involving the application of supertechnologies that tend to fail in practical use).

Or then there is nothing wrong with it, but it's the invincible gunslinger of the West: due to its reputation, everybody is challenging it, placing fantastically more stress on it than on any other design or individual ship.

Timo Saloniemi
 
It's true, the Enterprise-D is unusually fragile in the warp drive, everything from warp engines to warp core and between. I write, unusually, because no other ship shows that much sensitivity. Even the Odyssey in DS9 takes a shot to the nacelle the very first moment it gets into battle, in "The Jem'Hadar" yet does not explode, she only has a plasma leak, and continues fighting, shields down for something like 10 minutes. Her performance is vastly superior to that of the Enterprise-D in Generations.

Then there was the warp core reaction chamber flaw which in "The Drumhead" was used as evidence for some sort of sabotage, even though it was just manufacturing or design error. But, being a manufacturing or design error is extremely serious in its own right.

In "Cause and Effect" the Bozeman hits the Enterprise-D nacelle to nacelle. Yet it is the Enterprise-D's nacelle which explodes, and causes a warp core breach, while the Bozeman's nacelle is fine.

In "Timeless" Voyager crashes belly first, hard, into ice in such a way one of the nacelles must have hit too. Then the port nacelle hits an outcropping is torn up. Yet, Voyager does not have a warp core breach, and despite the nacelle glowing before the damage it did not violently explode on impact at either point in the crash.

On the good side of things, the writers or producers seemed to be very aware of what they were doing in making the Enterprise-D fragile. I won't speculate as to why, but the issue crops up in ways which cannot be accidental and which tell a story in their own right. It's kind of the same thing with how Picard and Riker disdain the idea of combat as uncivilized and perhaps obsolete, early in the series, and entertain the idea only for the mental exercise of it. But by the end of the series they have fought so many times it is hard to think of them holding exactly the same beliefs. In a way it's an metaphor for the Federation as a whole.
 
I'm more concerned about Starfleet's flippant stance on surge protection.
 
In "Cause and Effect" the Bozeman hits the Enterprise-D nacelle to nacelle. Yet it is the Enterprise-D's nacelle which explodes, and causes a warp core breach, while the Bozeman's nacelle is fine.

Yeah! Though, to be fair, we don't get to see what happens to the Bozeman.
 
Picard: "Mister LaForge, the next time I order the warp core ejected would it be a frightful bother for you to actually do it?"
 
^ That, too.

LaForge: "Computer, emergency power!"
Computer: "Emergency power offline."
Dark Helmet: "Fuck! Even in the future nothing works!"
 
In "Tin Man" (TNG) a Star Fleet captain refers to the Enterprise-D as a cruise ship.

And the ship's ambience could indeed be compared to a cruise ship.

Its almost as if a bunch of science labs, and some weapons, were added to such a luxury vessel.

You might get away with this during a period of relative peace and prosperity. However, post war, I doubt that anything similar would be built for many, many years.
 
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In all Trek history, how many ships did as much as the D? One or two others? Out of how many? Does anyone know the name of the Romulan flagship? The D blew up a Klingon Negh'var Class and sent another in fast retreat in "All Good Things..."

Does it have issues with coolant leaks? Who doesn't? What do you think the chief-engineer of the top-of-the-line Galor Class Trager was shouting to Gul Macet before he surrendered?

It's a TV show. They're saving the universe every Saturday night at 7:00pm. Shit's bound to go wrong. It's still the most sophisticated piece of technology ever built, and the baddies usually lose.
 
The anti-surge protection stance is due to the Federation's true dystopian Satano-Darwinist agenda.

Section 31 will now come for me, but I had to speak while I still have the righ-
 
I can count on one hand, the number of times that the Enterprise went into battle, and came out without something failing.
If it wasn't the propulsion, it was shields, or com or on and on. Also, there have been numerous other (better) technologies encountered, yet Starfleet just won't grab on to them, even to reverse eng or adapt. I guess their reputation is more important than coming home all beat up. The way the writers portray the Enterprise is if it were a piece of junk.
 
You're expecting it to remain in one piece as it's bombarded by weapons fire?
 
Kirk's ship in the movies (-nil, -A, -B, take your pick) was always blowing up. When everything hinged on her working properly, she failed. Whenever she went to battle, the heroes were certain she was doomed to fail, and weren't disappointed.

That Kirk's ship in TOS failed less often was due to the practical problems of showing failure in a TV series, on budget and without a fixed airing order. VOY and ENT fixed that!

Timo Saloniemi
 
When USS Yamato goes up, I seem to recall a discussion about such a warp core breach being basically impossible on a Galaxy-class starship due to the amount of safety features. I think they even had a discussion about something like that happening to Enterprise and mentioning it would take a very extreme set of conditions for all the safety features to fail enough to blow the ships up. Yet Enterprise keeps encountering these problems during her 7 or 8 years in commission.

Though she seems somehow vulnerable to Klingon disruptor fire. That might be a feature of Klingon weaponry that was discounted when the ship was designed (in all Universes) due to the relative peace between the Federation and Klingon Empires at the time of her designing.

Other ships blow up a bunch during the Dominion War due to weapons fire, but few blow up like the Yamato or Enterprise (or even USS Pasture). It is possible there was a weakness in the early warp cores (or warp system in general) of the Galaxy-class that was at first attempted to be corrected with newer warp cores, but Enterprise was force to go back to her original core due to production problems. She was lost before she could be upgraded like USS Venture. USS Galaxy seems to have survived the war despite taking a lot of damage in several battles to her engineer hull. In fact aside from USS Odyssey I don't think any other Galaxy-class ship was seem being destroyed in the war. They certainly still had a bunch left at Sol when USS Voyager returned home a few years after the war. I didn't see any at the Second Battle of Chintoka, where USS Defiant was lost.
 
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That Kirk's ship in TOS failed less often was due to the practical problems of showing failure in a TV series, on budget and without a fixed airing order. VOY and ENT fixed that!

Timo Saloniemi

You are right, the CGI revolution allowed them to show more than tell. Looking back at those two series', I don't think that was necessarily a good thing.

In TOS damage was usually relegated to shield failure. Ex. "Number two shield gone, number four failing!" If the warp drive was damaged, it was just a failure of the system; I don't recall it ever endangering the ship due to malfunction. The Enterprise-D on the other hand... It worked though, it added the necessary drama to the scene. There have to be some stakes, of course.
 
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Though she seems somehow vulnerable to Klingon disruptor fire. That might be a feature of Klingon weaponry that was discounted when the ship was designed (in all Universes) due to the relative peace between the Federation and Klingon Empires at the time of her designing.

Well that seems to be a dumb idea given seeing as it makes the ship vulnerable to rouge Klingon commanders or guys who just happen to get their hands on Klingon ships.
 
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