The Answer to the William Shatner dilemma ...

[PKTrekGirl]

^ Well, I don't know about the 'namby-pamby' commercial - I've not seen it. But that phrase has a direct link to Boston Legal.

Might it be an inside joke to Boston Legal fans?

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Shatner was hilarious in Airplane II.

"We'd better get to the tower, Lieutenant."
"We have no tower, sir."
(pause) "No tower?"
"Just a bridge, sir."
"Why the HELL aren't I notified about these things?"

 

[T'Cal]

^He was very funny in that film. I also liked the scene in which he freaks out over the sound effects. I don't, however, want his wacky style of humor brought into this project.

The real answer to the "dilemma": Bill who??

Move on, Bill! You're Denny Crane and you've won an emmy for it. This type of behavior is beneath you and pathetic.

 

[Captain59]

Just yank Kirk out of the Nexus. I know the argument is it's just an echo and cannot leave, but please...is there a Nexus rule book? Will the universe (OUR universe) end if Kirk can be taken out of the Nexus? Maybe Guinan didn't know everything she was talking about. It's not like she's Q.

OOO!! OOO!!! Have Q save Kirk! Q can do anything. There we go!

 

[Sito_Jaxa]

Shatner is cockey. He said to CNN that he told Abrams it is a bad decision not to have him in the movie. Even if Shatner feels that is true, that is a rather brash thing to say.

 

[T'Cal]

Captain59 said:
Just yank Kirk out of the Nexus. I know the argument is it's just an echo and cannot leave, but please...is there a Nexus rule book? Will the universe (OUR universe) end if Kirk can be taken out of the Nexus? Maybe Guinan didn't know everything she was talking about. It's not like she's Q.

OOO!! OOO!!! Have Q save Kirk! Q can do anything. There we go!

Yes, the rules were stated. Guinan couldn't leave because she was just an echo; therefore neither can Kirk's echo. Also, Kirk didn't age in the nearly 80 years he was in the nexus because time has no meaning there. He stayed the same age no mater where in his life time he visited in the nexus. Shatner, OTOH, has quite obviously aged 13 years since that movie and couldn't play Kirk at that age ever again. His rants about not being able to play Kirk again come across as pathetic and borish. He truly is a ham.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

You can't yank somebody's echo out of the Nexus if they already left it. Kirk left willingly (with Picard) so I doubt he even left an echo behind; Guinan only left one because of the Enterprise-B trying to beam her away. Kirk, since he left of his own free will, probably did not leave an echo.

 

[Dale]

The answer to the "William Shatner dilemma": send a consolatory basket of muffins to the set of Boston Legal and let it go...

 

[Kegek]

Here's the answer:

Surgically remove William Shatner's eyes and implant them in Chris Pine. That way, we'll get the brown hazel we all know and love rather than Pine's glassy blue, and we can have this credit:

Special Appearance by William Shatner's Eyes as The Eyes of Kirk

Everyone will be happy.

 

[Crewman6]

It is disappointing to hear about all this whining. If Shater wasn't doing anything with his life these days other than conventions and commercials, one might feel sorry for the guy.

But he's on a hit show and he's racking up Emmys. He had a cool album out a few years ago, his commercials are always funny and talked about.

He's really at the top of his game, he shouldn't be crying over another Trek film.

Come on, Bill, get over it, man!

 

[ChristopherPike]

T'Cal said: Yes, the rules were stated. Guinan couldn't leave because she was just an echo; therefore neither can Kirk's echo. Also, Kirk didn't age in the nearly 80 years he was in the nexus because time has no meaning there. He stayed the same age no mater where in his life time he visited in the nexus. Shatner, OTOH, has quite obviously aged 13 years since that movie and couldn't play Kirk at that age ever again.

Guinan had an echo of herself in the Nexus, because she was halfway there when snatched back by the transporter during the ENT-B rescue mission. El Aurians are established as having a different relationship to time than humans. Kirk would'nt have any aspect of himself left in the Nexus. He went in all the way and came back all the way... and then died.

I expect Paramount thought killing Kirk was the right choice at that time. The franchise had proved it could survive without him and they had every reason to expect massively successful TNG films, followed by a succession to whichever future spin-off became as popular. You would've thought somebody might've seen overkill coming, especially at that point... Generations at the cinema, DS9 and VOY running side by side, audiences going down from the heights of TNG. Not once did they think Kirk and crew would ever see action again you can bet.

 

[Woulfe]

William Shatner as Sir Not Appeering In This Film

Thank you Monty Python !

 

[Theodore Jay Miller]

How about if young Kirk is hit with strange radiation that makes him old (and fat)? And William Shatner will play the aged Kirk.

 

[igrokbok]

Shat is the best. Despite how hard people try to bash him, he still stays on top and that eats at some people like a cancer. I love it.
C'mon JJ, get Shat on board!

 

[LoneStranger]

Here's the answer.

The Enterprise NCC-1701, having one of the most awesomest crews in Federation history, gets a dedicated wing in the San Francisco branch of the Federation Museum.

A hooded Old Ambassador Spock is slowly walking down the hallway as images play on the walls depicting historical moments with the crew from TOS episodes and the movies. He pauses to watch a few of the scenes as they play out, and looks over some displays showing their old belongings, like Kirk's glasses.

As he gets to the end of the exhibit, he enters a dimly lit lecture hall where there are a handful of people watching a holographic recording of Old Kirk giving a lecture from one of his classes late in his career (probably just pre-GEN). What makes this lecture stand out is that he is asked a question about what it meant to him exploring the galaxy. While Old Kirk mentions the interesting new things to be discovered, he says that the most 'facinating' part was taking everything they learned about the rest of the galaxy and using it to truly understand what it means to be a human being. Old Spock, in a moment of Vulcan weakness, sheds a tear.

I could see this be the end of the movie, before they fade-flash back to the Young Kirk in charge of the Enterprise, getting ready to go into warp, with his new buddies Spock and McCoy next to him.

It's a cameo, which is about all Shatner could expect at this stage of production. It's a 'surprise' for the casual folks who didn't know much about this movie but still know who Shatner was, and it's a chance for all the hardcore fans to cheer in the middle of the theater.

 

[Ward Fowler]

You know, I'm really disappointed in a lot of people here. Without William Shatner Star Trek would probably not exist as we know it. Most likely there would have been no TNG, DS9, VOY, or ENT. Was he the sole reason for Trek's success? No. Was he integral? Absolutely. Television shows and movies often live or die on how appealing and talented their lead actor is. He was the star of the show. People ought to show him more respect. I'd like to see Shatner in the movie but I also think that since he agreed to kill the character 13 years ago he should be prepared to live with the consequences. All I ask is that before people complain about his ego or make fun of his talent, age or weight, they should remember that their precious DS9 (or any of the other spin-offs) might not exist without Shatner.

 

[Brutal Strudel]

LoneStranger said:
Here's the answer.

The Enterprise NCC-1701, having one of the most awesomest crews in Federation history, gets a dedicated wing in the San Francisco branch of the Federation Museum.

A hooded Old Ambassador Spock is slowly walking down the hallway as images play on the walls depicting historical moments with the crew from TOS episodes and the movies. He pauses to watch a few of the scenes as they play out, and looks over some displays showing their old belongings, like Kirk's glasses.

As he gets to the end of the exhibit, he enters a dimly lit lecture hall where there are a handful of people watching a holographic recording of Old Kirk giving a lecture from one of his classes late in his career (probably just pre-GEN). What makes this lecture stand out is that he is asked a question about what it meant to him exploring the galaxy. While Old Kirk mentions the interesting new things to be discovered, he says that the most 'facinating' part was taking everything they learned about the rest of the galaxy and using it to truly understand what it means to be a human being. Old Spock, in a moment of Vulcan weakness, sheds a tear.

I could see this be the end of the movie, before they fade-flash back to the Young Kirk in charge of the Enterprise, getting ready to go into warp, with his new buddies Spock and McCoy next to him.

It's a cameo, which is about all Shatner could expect at this stage of production. It's a 'surprise' for the casual folks who didn't know much about this movie but still know who Shatner was, and it's a chance for all the hardcore fans to cheer in the middle of the theater.

Most fan scenarioes make me cringe but I kinda like this one.

 

[Samuel T. Cogley]

Brutal Strudel said:

LoneStranger said:
Here's the answer.

The Enterprise NCC-1701, having one of the most awesomest crews in Federation history, gets a dedicated wing in the San Francisco branch of the Federation Museum.

A hooded Old Ambassador Spock is slowly walking down the hallway as images play on the walls depicting historical moments with the crew from TOS episodes and the movies. He pauses to watch a few of the scenes as they play out, and looks over some displays showing their old belongings, like Kirk's glasses.

As he gets to the end of the exhibit, he enters a dimly lit lecture hall where there are a handful of people watching a holographic recording of Old Kirk giving a lecture from one of his classes late in his career (probably just pre-GEN). What makes this lecture stand out is that he is asked a question about what it meant to him exploring the galaxy. While Old Kirk mentions the interesting new things to be discovered, he says that the most 'facinating' part was taking everything they learned about the rest of the galaxy and using it to truly understand what it means to be a human being. Old Spock, in a moment of Vulcan weakness, sheds a tear.

I could see this be the end of the movie, before they fade-flash back to the Young Kirk in charge of the Enterprise, getting ready to go into warp, with his new buddies Spock and McCoy next to him.

It's a cameo, which is about all Shatner could expect at this stage of production. It's a 'surprise' for the casual folks who didn't know much about this movie but still know who Shatner was, and it's a chance for all the hardcore fans to cheer in the middle of the theater.

Most fan scenarioes make me cringe but I kinda like this one.

It's not bad, but I just don't see them going out on a sad note (with respect to Old Kirk and Old Spock). It's an emotional moment, but it feels too melancholy. My gut tells me that Abrams wants to send us out of the theater on a feel good note.

If Shatner comes back, he really needs to be alive. And he needs to play Kirk. Anything else would be less than satisfying. If they can't find a way to do that, they shouldn't waste Shatner on an appearance.

 

[ktanner3]

Ward Fowler said:
You know, I'm really disappointed in a lot of people here. Without William Shatner Star Trek would probably not exist as we know it. Most likely there would have been no TNG, DS9, VOY, or ENT.

Sorry, but IMO Star Trek survived despite William Shatner's hammy performance as Kirk. He was funny in some moments, but when the time came to be dramatic and make a point, he would over emote and look so fake while giving one of his "Risk is our business" speeches. I'd say that Leanard Nimoy as Spock was much more important and had it not been for Shatner's obsession with cutting lines from the other crew to make himself more important, we would have had a better ensemble like the other shows had. We would have learned more about Uhura,scotty,chekoff and sulu had it not been for their lines being cut.

Was he the sole reason for Trek's success? No. Was he integral? Absolutely. Television shows and movies often live or die on how appealing and talented their lead actor is. He was the star of the show. People ought to show him more respect.

He's chosen to give not only his fellow performers no respect but he has also on more than one occasion has given the fans no respect as well as show utter contempt. Why should he expect more than he's given others?

I'd like to see Shatner in the movie but I also think that since he agreed to kill the character 13 years ago he should be prepared to live with the consequences.

At least we agree on something.

 

[T'Cal]

Woulfe said:

William Shatner as Sir Not Appeering In This Film

Thank you Monty Python !

The best answer so far!!

"Would it help to confuse it if we ran away more?"
- Sir Robin