The Alternate Kelvin Universe
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In the comics, they have a mirror universe and a genderswapped universe.
Two mirror universes and a gender-swapped universe. Although some argue that given how it was set up, the first mirror universe was just something conjured up by Scotty's imagination. I discount this since it would mean his imagination got many details right he shouldn't have known about.
Yes it's a universe where they dimmed the lights a fraction.
.. and from boldly go 13 they'll have a 6-issues series that will show other alternate/parallel realities of the reboot
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Trek:_Boldly_Go,_Issue_13
I read an interview by the comic writer (have to dig for the link again) and he suggested they'll show a reality where Spock isn't vulcan (well, he said he doesn't have pointy ears so he might still be part vulcan but have a slighty different physical appearance). If so, I'm curious to see how they explain it.
Interestingly enough, the comic writer assumes that the kelvin timeline had always been a parallel reality similar and yet different compared to tos and thus separated from it. Pegg himself seemed to embrace this interpretation while promoting Beyond.
Some find it contradictory with what Orci&Co said about Nero's incursion 'creating' the alternate reality, but I don't see that. I think they are all commenting on quantum mechanics (thus quantum realities/many worlds interpretation) from a different angle.
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Trek:_Boldly_Go,_Issue_13
I read an interview by the comic writer (have to dig for the link again) and he suggested they'll show a reality where Spock isn't vulcan (well, he said he doesn't have pointy ears so he might still be part vulcan but have a slighty different physical appearance). If so, I'm curious to see how they explain it.
Interestingly enough, the comic writer assumes that the kelvin timeline had always been a parallel reality similar and yet different compared to tos and thus separated from it. Pegg himself seemed to embrace this interpretation while promoting Beyond.
Some find it contradictory with what Orci&Co said about Nero's incursion 'creating' the alternate reality, but I don't see that. I think they are all commenting on quantum mechanics (thus quantum realities/many worlds interpretation) from a different angle.
Good explanation for why McCoy's eyes turned brown at birth, Kirk grew a few inches from 5 foot 9 to 6 foot and started to wear blue contact lenses, Chekov's parents birth control failed years earlier and Amanda decided blonde just wasn't her colour.
The comics have always gone with this interpretation. Pegg didn't really "embrace" the idea so much as he was quoting the new edition of the Star Trek Encyclopedia which also states as much about the Kelvin Timeline.
Orci seems to be the only one who tried saying the Kelvin Timeline "branched" from the Prime Universe, and it seems Paramount is content to ignore him on that point.
I see it differently. I think Orci was simply explaining it from a simplicistic human perspective about time travel (putting aside the 'paradox', making an explanation more suitable for people who grew up with movies like 'back to the future') and from that perspective alone, yes, Nero technically 'created' this alternate reality with his incursion. It also IS the perception the characters have in the story (see Spock and Uhura's dialog from the first movie)
However, the universe doesn't 'perceive' the concept of time the same way we do because there is no past or present or future the way *we* perceive it. To make myself understand it, I just imagine that everything 'happens at the same time' (where time doesn't exist as we mean it), so you can say this reality already 'existed' and the butterfly effect might not be limited to the events taking place after the kelvin accident, but also before it.
It's interesting how relative everything is. For instance, while we might be induced to essentially perceive tos as the 'default' reality, and thus think about this reality as the different one, it's only based on the comparision we make with tos. But there isn't such a thing as a 'default' reality, there is no 'destiny' to modify or interfere with.. because one could say that the prime timeline is the one that 'went differently' too IF they use this reality for comparision instead of tos. Nero's incursion and the destrouction of vulcan might kind of be like 'meant to be' events that tos doesn't have and it makes THAT reality the different one. In short, the original series we watched is an alternate reality too^
Reboot's time travel is easier to understand, at least, than the paradox in Interstellar. That movie almost made people have a nervous breakdown trying to understand the main plot.
Eh? Interstellar is way too easy to understand. Indeed I had the whole thing figured out within forty minutes, and I went in clean with no spoilers whatsoever.
The Prime Universe is the Abrams universe's alternate universe.
I don't know why, but this thread is reminding me of Farscape's completely nutty alternate realities.
I did read the second take on the Kelvin Mirror Universe and it was stupid fun.
Like the somewhat pacifist Kahn (who...quickly shows that other being far nicer, he's still paranoid Kahn) and the Enterprise being taken over by their Mirror crewmen (especially when Sulu is annoyed at how much of a dick Mirror Sulu is).
But...It does have that same issue with the Mirror Universe, the constant backstabbing. Never before have I seen a body count in the Mirror Universe caused by backstabbing.
Unless you count Mirror Archer murdering the crew of the ISS Avenger but yeah....
Like the somewhat pacifist Kahn (who...quickly shows that other being far nicer, he's still paranoid Kahn) and the Enterprise being taken over by their Mirror crewmen (especially when Sulu is annoyed at how much of a dick Mirror Sulu is).
But...It does have that same issue with the Mirror Universe, the constant backstabbing. Never before have I seen a body count in the Mirror Universe caused by backstabbing.
Unless you count Mirror Archer murdering the crew of the ISS Avenger but yeah....
Right. The suggestion that the Kelvin timeline was just a branch off of Prime never really made sense. I think it was just Orci trying to insist upset fans that he wasn't "erasing" the Prime timeline, like hey, here's Leonard Nimoy to make it all okay!
I would have preferred a clean reboot that had no ties to the Prime universe, only because that brings more creative freedom on what to do with the TOS characters. The whole Nero thing was needlessly convoluted.
I prefer to go with Nero & Spock Prime left Universe Z and ended up in Universe W as per STNG Parallels
I'm on board with "ripples going backward as well as forward" thing. Because that's what TPTB say, and it's what'll likely be reflected in the future until they change it again.
Remember guys, this is a franchise that's about to launch a new, ultra-modern, ultra-high-tech series and are insisting it takes place in the same continuity at almost the same time as the one from the 60's with photos stuck around the perimeter of the bridge masquerading as display screens. It's really, truly, not worth your worry.
Remember guys, this is a franchise that's about to launch a new, ultra-modern, ultra-high-tech series and are insisting it takes place in the same continuity at almost the same time as the one from the 60's with photos stuck around the perimeter of the bridge masquerading as display screens. It's really, truly, not worth your worry.
In my world the reality Spock and Nero left wasn't the Prime universe, but another version of it entirely, thus meaning that nothing that happens in the NuTrek films have any impact on the proper timeline. STD will probably be in that alternate reality as well.
Alternate realities are the comic book world's bread and butter. It's fun and no one really takes them all that seriously.
In the Kelvin timeline, Worf placed third in the bat'leth tournament. That's canon.
