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The All-New Star Trek Books FAQ!

Stevil2001

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This is a list of questions that are frequently asked about Star Trek books. If you are smart, you will read this before you post and avoid unneeded brutality on the part of forum regulars, who think these questions are asked too much!


TABLE OF CONTENTS:

Upcoming/Missing Projects
-- When will [Rumored/Announced Book X] come out?
-- What happened to Challenger?
-- If I've heard about a book and it isn't on the schedule, does that mean it was cancelled?
-- Is there a good place to find out about books that actually were cancelled?

Aspects of Treklit
-- What is the reading order of the DS9 post-finale titles?
-- What is the chronological order of the relaunch titles?
-- Will there be more post-finale titles after Warpath?
-- What is the Shatnerverse?
-- What is Star Trek: S.C.E.?
-- What is in the future for Star Trek: The Next Generation?
-- What's going on around Nemesis, chronologically speaking?
-- What is Star Trek: Vanguard?
-- Is there going to be an Enterprise relaunch?

Few and Far Between?
-- Why is there only one book a month now?
-- Why aren't there any more Star Trek comics?
-- Why are the S.C.E. paperback reprints so rare?
-- Why are there so few TOS books this year? Why are there so few TNG books this year? Why are there so few DS9, VGR, ENT, NF, CHA, SGZ, GKN, TTN, VGD, &c. books this year? Does Pocket hate me and want to destroy my favorite series?
-- Where are my nonfiction books?
-- Will there be any new editions of the Encyclopedia or Chronology? What about an Enterprise Companion?

People of Treklit
-- Where did John Ordover go? Who are the Pocket editors for Star Trek books now?
-- Who is Richard Arnold?
-- Who is "Anonymous," the author of two stories in Prophecy and Change?
-- Who are the people on the covers of the books "playing" Calhoun, Vaughn, et al.?

Miscellany
-- Why can't people from outside the U.S./Canada (except Quebec) participate in the Strange New Worlds anthologies/short fiction contests?
-- What happened in Stargazer: Oblivion on pages 72, 74, 195, and 197?
-- What's a good source of information on Star Trek novels?
-- Are there any author annotations for the various books?

Questions to Never Ask
-- Which Star Trek books are canon?
-- Why is this month's book late?
-- I have this extraordinary idea I want one of the writers to use in their next novel! Can I talk about the plot of my fan fiction/SNW story here? Would one of the writers here take a look at my story and tell me how good it is?
-- Why are there gay people in the books?
-- What books do I need to read before Articles of the Federation?
-- Isn't that joke NOT. DEAD.?



Thanks to Geoff "Wersgor" Hamell for suggesting this; Michael Schuster, John "Pf2144", Will Devine, Andrew Timson, Ian "Therin of Andor" McLean, Bob "Bobatiel" Manojlovich, Christopher Bennett, Kevin Killiany, Michael Schuster, "Rosalind", Brendan "RulanAllwine" Moody, "Q420", "captcalhoun", "Sci", David Mack, William Leisner, Mark "mmtz" Martinez, and "JWolf" for their suggestions and assistance; Slave of Seven, Aatrek, and Mel "Emh" Orr for updating and pinning this; and Keith DeCandido, Marco Palmieri, Ann Crispin, and Margaret Clark for patiently answering some questions. Hopefully this will be the last time they're asked. (As if!)

I'm following Bill Leisner's suggestion and chunking this thing a bit. I've corrected all the errors people have pointed out, I think.
 
UPCOMING/MISSING PROJECTS

UPCOMING/MISSING PROJECTS


Q. When will [Rumored/Announced Book X] come out?
A.
  • Rihannsu #5: The Empty Chair by Diane Duane. December 2006, believe it or not. Duanians rejoice! It will be published alongside a trade paperback compilation of the first four Rihannsu novels.
  • The Yesterday Saga #3-5 by A.C. Crispin. This project has been cancelled for reasons unknown.
  • Split Infinities. This project has been renamed Other Times to avoid conflict with Star Wars's Infinities mini-series. According to Marco's Q&A: "Split Infinities (which was only a working title) got backburnered, but will see the light of day at some point."
  • Dark Passions #3-4 by Susan Wright. Also according to Marco, "Dark Passion's 3-4 was only hypothetical, and is not actually in development." However, those of you with a burning desire to experience the mirror universe may wish to keep an eye out for two trade paperback volumes coming out in 2007, which will each feature three novel-length tales of that depraved realm.
  • The Lost Era. There are going to be two more Lost Era novels, one dealing with Picard's time between the Stargazer and the Enterprise-D; the other with Ben Sisko during the Tzenkethi War. Authors, titles, and publication dates are all still unannounced. Note that there will most likely be other books set in the time of the "Lost Era" without that specific banner-- the Stargazer series, for example.
  • Walking Wounded by Bradley Thompson. Marco Palmieri announced in July that it was decided to not go forward with this post-finale DS9 book.
Q. What happened to Challenger?
A. Star Trek: Challenger is on hold while Diane Carey pursues development of original fiction. Its return is indefinite. Marco Palmieri explains: "Not to confuse the issue with the obvious, but there never was a Challenger series. Only the hope that it would continue in much the same manner as, say, New Frontier. The mistake on our end, clearly, was touting it as a new series prematurely."

Q. If I've heard about a book and it isn't on the schedule, does that mean it was cancelled?
A. No. There are always plenty of books in development that haven't been scheduled yet. And remember, the schedule is always tentative and subject to change. The schedule is more a hope than a promise. (Thanks to Christopher L. Bennett)

Q. Is there a good place to find out about books that actually were cancelled?
A. Yes there is! Check out Steve Roby's page, Star Trek: The Lost Books. The page also has information on the oft-mentioned Probe/Music of the Spheres and A Flag Full of Stars debacles.
 
ASPECTS OF TREKLIT

ASPECTS OF TREKLIT

Q. What is the reading order of the DS9 post-finale titles?
A. Editor Marco Palmieri's desired reading order for the books is their publishing order, which is as follows:

Avatar, Books One & Two by S.D. Perry
Section 31: Abyss by David Weddle & Jeffrey Lang
Gateways #4: Demons of Air and Darkness by Keith R.A. DeCandido
Gateways #7: What Lay Beyond: "Horn and Ivory" by Keith R.A. DeCandido
Mission: Gamma
-- #1: Twilight by David R. George III
-- #2: This Gray Spirit by Heather Jarman
-- #3: Cathedral by Michael A. Martin & Andy Mangels
-- #4: Lesser Evil by Robert Simpson
Rising Son by S.D. Perry
The Lives of Dax, edited by Marco Palmieri (re-issue)
The Left Hand of Destiny, Books One & Two by J.G. Hertzler and Jeffrey Lang
Unity by S.D. Perry
Worlds of Deep Space Nine
-- #1: Cardassia: The Lotus Flower by Una McCormack & Andor: Paradigm by Heather Jarman
-- #2: Bajor: Fragments and Omens by J. Noah Kym & Trill: Unjoined by Michael A. Martin & Andy Mangels
-- #3: Ferenginar: Satisfaction is Not Guaranteed by Keith R.A. DeCandido & The Dominion: Olympus Descending by David R. George III
Warpath by David Mack
Fearful Symmetry by Leanna Morrow (forthcoming April 2007)

Q. What is the chronological order of the relaunch titles?
A. Largely the same, but with a few changes:

The Left Hand of Destiny
The Lives of Dax
Avatar
Abyss

Gateways #4 & #7
Mission: Gamma
Rising Son (this actually starts just after Avatar and ends at the same time as Mission: Gamma #4)
Unity
Worlds of Deep Space Nine

-- Trill
-- Bajor
-- Andor
-- Ferenginar
-- Cardassia
-- The Dominion
Warpath
Fearful Symmetry

A timeline of these plus related materials can be found here: http://thehamster.co.uk/startrek/timeline.htm

Q. Will there be more post-finale titles after Warpath?
A. YES! Fearful Symmetry is due to come out April 2007.

Q. What is the Shatnerverse?
A. In order to prevent confusion, those novels written in collaboration between the Reeves-Stevens and William Shatner have been set aside in their own continuity. This way, casual references to Kirk being alive will not slip into other books and confuse the poor readers. However, this has not stopped the Shatnerverse books from referencing other works, including Ship of the Line and The Dominion War Tetralogy. The novels in the Shatnerverse are:

Odyssey
-- The Ashes of Eden
-- The Return
-- Avenger

The Mirror Universe Trilogy
-- Spectre
-- Dark Victory
-- Preserver

Totality
-- Captain's Peril
-- Captain's Blood
-- Captain's Glory
(available in August 2006)

Captain's Glory was pushed back because Shatner was busy with Boston Legal and the Dynamic Writing Duo was busy with Enterprise. Once this Totality arc is over, the Shatnerverse will take a jump back to the 23rd century, showing us Kirk and Spock's Academy days. Denny Crane.

Q. What is Star Trek: S.C.E.?
A. S.C.E. is a series of eBooks chronicling the adventures of the U.S.S. da Vinci and its Starfleet Corps of Engineers response team. Available in eBook format up to book #57 and in seven paperback collections up to book #28. More information available here: http://www.psiphi.org/cgi/upc-db/sce/

S.C.E. came to an end in September 2006 with #66, and will be relaunching under the new, more descriptive title Corps of Engineers in November 2006. There will now only be six adventures of the S.C.E. per year, with the other six eBook slots per annum being taken by other adventures in the Star Trek universe, beginning with a six-part saga celebrating the 40th anniversary of Star Trek, commencing in August 2006. (Thanks to Keith R.A. DeCandido)

Q. What is in the future for Star Trek: The Next Generation?
A. TNG received a major focus in 2004 with the nine-book A Time to... maxiseries. The events of this series led up to Star Trek: Nemesis, and will be followed up on in two ways. First, there is The Next Generation: The Second Decade (editor Margaret Clark's unofficial and inaccurate title), following the Enterprise-E crew. There has been one book released so far, Death in Winter by Michael Jan Friedman. The second, Resistance by J.M. Dillard, will be released in 2007.

There is also a series entitled Star Trek: Titan, suprisingly enough focusing on Captain Riker's U.S.S. Titan. The first novel, Taking Wing by Michael A. Martin and Andy Mangels, was released in April 2005. Later novels include The Red King by Martin/Mangels again, Orion's Hounds by Christopher L. Bennett and Sword of Damocles by Geoffrey Thorne (forthcoming in July 2007).

Q. What's going on around Nemesis, chronologically speaking?
A. Lots. This is the chronological order for the TNG-related books in late 2379/early 2380:

2379
-- A Time to Kill & A Time to Heal by David Mack
-- A Time for War, A Time for Peace by Keith R.A. DeCandido
-- After the Fall by Peter David
-- STAR TREK: NEMESIS
-- Tales from the Captain’s Table: “Improvisations on the Opal Sea: A Tale of Dubious Credibility” by Michael A. Martin & Andy Mangels
-- Death in Winter by Michael Jan Friedman
-- Taking Wing by Michael A. Martin & Andy Mangels
2380
-- The Red King by Andy Mangels & Michael A. Martin
-- Articles of the Federation by Keith R.A. DeCandido (starts here and runs through the rest of the year)
-- Orion's Hounds by Christopher L. Bennett

Q. What is Star Trek: Vanguard?
A. Vanguard is a new fiction series edited by Marco Palmieri. As Marco has said, "Vanguard centers around a Federation starbase and the ships assigned to it during the time of The Original Series. It's about a chasing an ancient mystery having to do with the remote region of space in which the station has been established." The first book is Harbinger by David Mack, the second is Summon the Thunder by Dayton Ward & Kevin Dilmore, and the third book is Reap the Whirlwind by David Mack (forthcoming in June 2007). Incidentally, anyone who suggests this series is "DS9 in the 23rd century" will be promptly reprimanded... fatally.

Q. Is there going to be an Enterprise relaunch?
A. Editor Margaret Clark has confirmed there are plans for both Enterprise novels set in the "Terra Prime"/"These Are the Voyages" gap and set after the finale itself. She recommends that anyone wanting to see where she will take the ENT books should read the prologue and epilogue of 2006's Last Full Measure.

As for those concerned about the fate of Trip, Clark says to keep two things in mind: "Trip is my favorite character on Enterprise" and "Season four of Enterprise is my favorite, except for the beginning and the end."
 
FEW AND FAR BETWEEN?

FEW AND FAR BETWEEN?

Q. Why is there only one book a month now?
A. Marco Palmieri says, "Our feeling is that we can do a better job, both editorially and sales-wise, by putting greater energy and effort into fewer and more carefully chosen projects, making the line leaner, meaner, and stronger. The respite being take from studio-produced Star Trek reinforces that strategy." Calm down, readers-- it's not the apocalypse! Recently, ye old authors have been writing bigger books anyway. (One book by David R. George III is equivalent to ten by Susan Wright!)

Q. Why aren't there any more Star Trek comics?
A. Oh, but there are! The publisher Tokyopop announced plans to create a Star Trek: The Next Generation manga anthology, for publication in Winter 2003/2004. Further information can be found here: http://www.tokyopop.com/news/press2004/2004_star_trek.php and http://newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=19217 That still isn't out, but Tokyopop apparently does intend to publish a TOS anthology for the anniversary in 2006. No word on what this means for the TNG book.

In addition, Checker Book Publishing has been releasing trade paperback reprints of the old Gold Key TOS comics from the 1960's and 70's, with five out so far. Titan Books is reprinting some of the old DC TOS and TNG comics, too.

Q. Why are the S.C.E. paperback reprints so rare?
A. S.C.E. was primarily conceived of and executed as an eBook series. Any paperback concerns are secondary. Anyway, only so many books fit on the schedule every year, and the editors do their best to maintain a balanced approach, meaning there is not always room for S.C.E. Besides, you can always just buy the eBooks. That's what I did.

Starting in November 2006, the reprints will be switching to trade paperback format, and each volume will contain between six and eight eBooks and come out twice a year, so you Dead Tree folks should get your fix faster from now on! Heck, you might even catch up!

Q. Why are there so few TOS books this year? Why are there so few TNG books this year? Why are there so few DS9, VGR, ENT, NF, CHA, SGZ, GKN, TTN, VGD, &c. books this year? Does Pocket hate me and want to destroy my favorite series?
A. No. As said before, Pocket tries its best to create a balanced approach, however this balance is achieved over several years, not within each year, to give them more freedom. Hence, 2004 is TNG-heavy; whereas 2001-03 have had a lot of DS9; and 2000, 2002, and 2005/06 were/will be TOS-heavy. The reduction to one mass-market-paperback book a month also means that there a limited number of slots in any given year, so your favorite series might show up less often from now on.

ENT books are likely to be somewhat rare for a while, as according to editor Margaret Clark, "Second, the Enterprise books are light on our schedule. This is just how we decided to do the books, with the show in production, it is really hard to make sure that you don't step on the episodes and still do interesting books." Christopher L. Bennett adds, "The choice to publish fewer ENT novels per year during the series run seems to me like a reasonable way to minimize those problems this time around -- as well as making sense in the context of modern Trek publishing when there are so many other series."

During the last five years (Jan 2001 - Dec 2005), there have been 129 Star Trek books published and the series distributions broke down thusly:

19% are cross-series
14% are original Star Trek
19% are Star Trek: The Next Generation
13% are Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
9% are Star Trek: Voyager
6% are Enterprise
5% are Star Trek: New Frontier
1% are Star Trek: Challenger
5% are Star Trek: S.C.E.
5% are Star Trek: Stargazer
2% are Star Trek: I.K.S. Gorkon
2% are Star Trek: Titan
1% are Star Trek: Vanguard

Q. Where are my nonfiction books?
A. Nonfiction sales have been abysmally down for Pocket's Star Trek books recently; their last big effort, Star Charts, apparently sold very poorly despite being the coolest book ever. For the forseeable future, there will not be many nonfiction ST titles from Pocket. Also: The Unseen Frontier: Declassified Images From the History of the Federation has been cancelled. Get over it.

Q. Will there be any new editions of the Encyclopedia or Chronology? What about an Enterprise Companion?
A. Were you paying attention when I answered the last question? I don't care if you and all your friends would buy them, the books won't sell well enough. (Do you seriously think Pocket would not publish them if they could make good money?)
 
PEOPLE OF TREKLIT

PEOPLE OF TREKLIT

Q. Where did John Ordover go? Who are the Pocket editors for Star Trek books now?
A. In his own words, "I left Pocket at the end of August [2003], finished up work on some ongoing projects and was planning to start a packager - an entity that comes up with nifty ideas, gets a writer to work up and outline, and then goes out and sells the project to a publisher. On the way to doing this, however, I wound up taking the job of Editor-in-Chief at Phobos Books, a small-press SF publisher that I'm hoping to grow into something bigger." According to Keith R.A. DeCandido, the current editors for ST material at Pocket are: Marco Palmieri, Margaret Clark, Ed Schlesinger, Jennifer Heddle, and Elisa Kassin. Keith himself does freelance editorial work for Pocket (various anthologies, S.C.E.), but is not on staff.

Q. Who is Richard Arnold?
A. Richard Arnold ran the Star Trek Office of Paramount Licensing at the behest of Gene Roddenberry from around the premiere of TNG to the time of Roddenberry's death. It was his job to approve proposed novels, and he is held responsible for the "dark period" of ST literature from the mid-80's to the mid-90's. Richard Arnold did not believe in inter-novel continuity, claiming that every novel should be based upon the TV shows and movies, not other novels. Fortunately, he has since left, and his decrees are no longer in effect, as is evidenced by today's publishing program.

Q. Who is "Anonymous," the author of two stories in Prophecy and Change?
A. Well, if you were supposed to know who s/he was, s/he wouldn't go by the name "Anonymous," would s/he?

Q. Who are the people on the covers of the books "playing" Calhoun, Vaughn, et al.?
A. Those are models hired by artists to portray those characters for brief snapshots. The model for Calhoun has been said to be a neighbor of artist Keith Birdsong.
 
MISCELLANY

MISCELLANY

Q. Why can't people from outside the U.S./Canada (except Quebec) participate in the Strange New Worlds anthologies/short fiction contests?
A. The reason is tax laws. For the contest to work in the UK, the EU, Australia and just about everywhere else it would have to comply with their tax laws. As a company based outside of the UK, for example, Pocket US can not sponsor a contest. (Pocket UK can, but there hasn't been sufficient evidence, either in sales or demand from the public, to make them think it's profitable. There was a letter campaign a few years ago, but I don't think much came of it.)

Though NAFTA (North American Free Trade Agreement) and North American tax treaties avoid this issue, not all of Canada is open to the contest, either. Language laws prohibit the contest in Quebec unless entries are accepted and final product is available in French. (Thanks to Kevin Killiany)

Q. What happened in Stargazer: Oblivion on pages 72, 74, 195, and 197?
A. The first printing has an error that means some text is omitted on these pages. The full text can be found on the SimonSays site. Alternatively, you could buy the eBook or do as I did, and keep your eyes peeled for the second printing, and give up after a year of not finding it. Margaret Clark, editor of Stargazer, says: "Look at the copyright page, you know that page you blow by it's got the Paramount mountian and Gertude (the Pocket logo has a name, like who wouldn't?) the 1 should be missing and the first number should be a 2. This is the second printing the printing errors were corrected on this edition."

Q. What's a good source of information on Star Trek novels?
A. Well, TrekBBS's TrekLit forum of course, but if you didn't know that, you wouldn't be here, would you? Also, the Star Trek Books Board at psiphi.org has some authors/editors who post there. Other key TrekLit links:

Steve Roby's The Complete Starfleet Library: http://www.well.com/user/sjroby/lcars/index.html
David Henderson's Star Trek Booklist: http://www.psiphi.org/cgi/upc-db/booklist.html
Psi Phi Book Database - Upcoming Books List: http://www.psiphi.org/cgi/upc-db/upcoming.html
The Star Trek Novel Rankings: http://novelranks.analma.com/
Marco Palmieri's (Editor, Pocket Books) Q&A: http://www.simonsays.com/subs/qaap.cfm?areaid=44&userid=7
The Star Trek Comics Checklist: http://homepage.mac.com/mmtz/stcomix/
Psi Phi Awards for Star Trek Books: http://www.users.muohio.edu/mollmasc/psiphiold.htm

Q. Are there any author annotations for the various books?
A. Yes, here is a list:
- Keith R. A. DeCandido: Articles of the Federation (TNG movie era), A Time for War, A Time for Peace (TNG)
- Christopher Bennett: Ex Machina (Post-TMP), Orion's Hounds (Titan)
- David Mack: Harbinger (Vanguard), Warpath (DS9 post-series)
- Dayton Ward: In the Name of Honor (Post-ST V), Summon the Thunder (Vanguard)
- Andy Mangels: Rogue (Section 31, TNG)
- Steve Mollmann and Michael Schuster: The Future Begins (SCE)
- William Leisner: Out of the Cocoon (SCE)

There are also anthology annotations:
- Constellations (TOS anthology)
 
QUESTIONS TO NEVER ASK

QUESTIONS TO NEVER ASK

Q. Which Star Trek books are canon?
A. Short answer: none. Long answer: read Steve Roby's "Every Fan's Canon Primer," which will not only answer your question in detail, but humorously ridicule you for asking it.

Q. Why is this month's book late?
A. The books come out during a rough four-week period and have no set street date, unlike the higher profile Harry Potter and Star Wars. Hence, your only assurance is that mass market paperbacks will be out by the middle of the publication month, and other books (trade paperback/hardcover) by the end of it, since they are on a different production schedule thingy.

Q. I have this extraordinary idea I want one of the writers to use in their next novel! Can I talk about the plot of my fan fiction/SNW story here? Would one of the writers here take a look at my story and tell me how good it is?
A. Theoretically, you could post your ideas or ask the writers to look at your story but you shouldn't. The world's an evil place, and people nowadays sue at the drop of a hat. To avoid legal difficulties, editors and writers refrain from reading fan-written stories. If you post story ideas, the chance is that Marco has already thought about it before. Speculation is fine, but please don't post ideas, plots or entire stories. (Thanks to Michael Schuster)

Q. Why are there gay people in the books?
A. Because there are gay people in real life. Imagine that.

Q. What books do I need to read before Articles of the Federation?
A. That joke is dead! Stop using it!

Q. Isn't that joke NOT. DEAD.?
A. That one's dead too! Shut up!
 
Thank you for the new FAQ. I do have one question. Can the table of contents have links to the appropriate message?
 
Posted by SCMoll:
I aim to serve.

Looks great!

For people interested, here's a link to my TOS/TAS character appearance matrix to the old "Lower Decks" novel trilogies by LA Graf and Kevin Ryan, and any newer TOS trilogies:
http://www.geocities.com/therinofandor/TOScrew.html

(I recently added original characters used by Alan Dean Foster in his "Star Trek Log" adaptations of the animated series and will probably track David R George III's "Crucible" #1-3 when they arrive in 2006.)

And for appearances/mentions of all TAS characters and events in the novels, comics, sequel TV series and movies, games, and "Enterprise", go to:
http://www.geocities.com/therinofandor/TAS/TAS.html

(This has also been updated to include all additional references in Alan Dean Foster's "Star Trek Log" adaptations.)

Please be patient. They are Geocities sites and when promoted by someone, they usually go down for an hour if the traffic is heavy.
 
Hi!

Between all of this I have a question: What happend to the DS9-charakter Leeta? Is she mentioned in any "Star Trek"-books (f.e. in the ds9-relaunch)? Or does nobody care about her? :-)
thanx for your answers!
 
^In the series she marries Rom and then he becomes Grand Nagus of the Ferengi Alliance. She appears at least once in the DS9R, in David R. George III's Olympus Descending. She also has an incredibly brief appearance in Robert Greenberger's Doors Into Chaos.
 
Posted by Jon P:
^In the series she marries Rom and then he becomes Grand Nagus of the Ferengi Alliance.

Isn't there a baby on the way? Or did I dream it? I haven't read the "Ferenginar" story in WoDS9 yet.
 
Yeah. She's about ready to have the baby at the start of Satisfaction is Not Guaranteed.
 
Posted by Jon P:
Yeah. She's about ready to have the baby at the start of Satisfaction is Not Guaranteed.

And <span class="spoiler"><font class="small">Spoiler:</font><hr /><span>delivers it at the end of the same story.</span><hr /></span>
 
Between all of this I have a question: What happend to the DS9-charakter Leeta? Is she mentioned in any "Star Trek"-books (f.e. in the ds9-relaunch)? Or does nobody care about her? :-)
thanx for your answers!
Not only does Leeta play a good-sized role in the Ferenginar portion of Worlds of DS9 Vol. 3, but we also get her backstory. :cool:
 
she also had a spit-n-cough cameo in SCE in ... dammit... the one about Landru coming back as a Ferengi computer...
 
she also had a spit-n-cough cameo in SCE in ... dammit... the one about Landru coming back as a Ferengi computer...
 
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