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You make valid points, but I was discussing something different, namely that instead of always wanting more stuff, many people are voluntarily divesting themselves of things and choosing a simpler lifestyle. There is a growing tiny house movement, more and more people are growing their own food, corporate managers are leaving high paying (and high stress) jobs to become artists or bakers or chocolatiers or...
When comparing "capitalism" and "communism," I think it's important to recognize that the U.S. system is not capitalism and the old Soviet Union did not practice communism. What the USSR had was very much like the old czarist regime, and the KGB was like the old czarist spy system. And that regime in turn was an outgrowth of the old system used by the Mongol invaders. The US economic system...unfortunately too much of it reminds me of the seagulls in Finding Nemo, perched on something and saying, "Mine. Mine. Mine."
I believe that people want to work, to contribute, to be part of a community. And if they can't belong to the dominant community, they'll form their own. The black community came about because the white community wouldn't let the blacks play an equal part in society. Ditto the gay community.
Someone said that too many people would sit around playing video games all day. Maybe they would--for awhile. There was a Twilight Zone? episode, or maybe it was a short story. Anyway, a man dies and goes to a place where he's told his every need is met and he doesn't have to work. The man is delighted and revels in his freedom. After awhile, though, he gets bored and asks for something to do. He's told that, not only is he not required, he is not permitted to work. The man exclaims, "You call this Heaven? I'd rather be in the other place!" (or words to that effect), and he's told, " This is the other place."

The people may be downsizing because it's cheaper to heat a tiny house than a McMansion. As companies cut benefits the workers have to cut expenses too. Same with growing their own gardens,

As for the CEO that decides to become a potter/ baker or whatever, all of the sudden, yea, check the dudes asset portfolio. He's not scrubbing it living on selling his pottery.
I know some of those types. They make more in their retirement pay per month than I make working ( a LOT more)
 
As Daffy Duck would say, "That's despicable!" Yes, some of them fit into that category, but a fair portion of them are merely seeking the rewards of a simpler lifestyle. I think a lot depends on what is admired in a culture. Right now someone who has lots of toys, money, power, is the person who is widely admired. And hoarding power and knowledge is seen as a good. (Who ever thought that patenting a plant or an animal should be permitted?!)
 
As Daffy Duck would say, "That's despicable!" Yes, some of them fit into that category, but a fair portion of them are merely seeking the rewards of a simpler lifestyle. I think a lot depends on what is admired in a culture. Right now someone who has lots of toys, money, power, is the person who is widely admired. And hoarding power and knowledge is seen as a good. (Who ever thought that patenting a plant or an animal should be permitted?!)
All I know are the ones I see that "gave up the high pressure job" LOL
I don't see them moving to a mobile home in a bad part of town that's only $700.00 per month to rent, shopping for clothes at Goodwill and in line at the church for free food.
I see them in their $600,000-1.5 million $ house still, driving their new Beemer/ jag/ Mercedes. Usually all three at various times.
If I'm in a painting class with them they stand there and extol the virtues of buying Sennlier paints over my Dawler-Rowley ones from Wally mart.

It's a smart person that patents a plant or animal. I'll bet they can afford the expensive paints too.
 
As Daffy Duck would say, "That's despicable!" Yes, some of them fit into that category, but a fair portion of them are merely seeking the rewards of a simpler lifestyle. I think a lot depends on what is admired in a culture. Right now someone who has lots of toys, money, power, is the person who is widely admired. And hoarding power and knowledge is seen as a good. (Who ever thought that patenting a plant or an animal should be permitted?!)


Isn't that only partially true?, someone who has power and abuses it is often not widely admired. Same goes with money and what you do with it, if you use that wealth to try and keep people down and many might frown up on .
 
a world without money where everybody is without material desire and works for the betterment of mankind
We hear a couple of characters say this, but when did we see people doing this on screen?

I believe that is due to the raises in the minimum wage (at least in the United States where several states increased said wages by law, sometimes by several dollars from what it had been). This caused several corporations to cut down on their human resources
Not just corporations, also mom/pops, small businesses and medium sized businesses too. Raise the minimum wage and there's a hit with businesses of many sizes.
 
We hear a couple of characters say this, but when did we see people doing this on screen?

Not just corporations, also mom/pops, small businesses and medium sized businesses too. Raise the minimum wage and there's a hit with businesses of many sizes.


Can you reduce that impact by an incremental rise in wages over a number of years?
 
I'll let you know :lol:
Thanks
In all your readings (I assume you've been perusing those past threads) are there any explicit examples of the use of money/currency in STU that is between Human federation citizens conducting legal commerce? Mot of the examples I can think of involved aliens (DS9 was an alien station, neither Bajor nor Cardassia was even in the Federation, it was specifically a trading post at that point for various races) and humans who were "traders" and did at least some business with aliens, and that sort of thing.

That's always been my answer to that... Humans (by and large) don't use money... other species still do, even some (many) in the Federation.

I'm with you on wanting to abolish currency. It's a really crappy way to distribute resources, especially in a capitalist system that's profit driven (which is itself a HUGE problem).

As for those that argue it can't happen "'cuz human nature," I'd argue it's not, but an acquired, or misdirected, impulse. I for one live like an ascetic, by choice, compared to pretty much everyone in the U.S. (except people in total poverty). I prefer to want more intellectually and spiritually than materially. I always try to do more with less. It's my nature, I am human (as far as I know). I always figured the point of technological progress was indeed to lead to a world in which we have more free time to explore whatever interest us, grow as individuals, maybe even as a society (or even species!). Having lived in a rural environment, and everything in between to The Big City, I can say that I never spent as much time working as I did in the most modern settings, and never had as much leisure as farming and the like (harder work, mostly, but also way more free time).
 
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