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The 4-Hour Workday

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TheGoodNews

Lieutenant Commander
Red Shirt
http://www.4hourworkday.org/

Hi fellow wage earners. Here's a webpage about reducing your daily toil as a debt slave. Keep in mind that the reduction in hours should imply an increase in wages at the very least. In fact, the Center for Economic Research found that minimum wage today should actually be $21.72/hour if you factor in advances in productivity. But I guess there are people here and there that don't want you to know that. http://theweek.com/article/index/241530/the-case-for-22-an-hour-minimum-wage
 
Don't know about this study (yet), but ^that's old news...
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A pointless statement. Facts are there are still many workers working over 40 hours a week without any meaningful increase in pay while losing their pensions, benefits and possibly even their overtime while millions of others remain jobless. All this while the 1% reward themselves with bonuses, pay hikes, bailouts and tax breaks. How's any of this irrelevant?
 
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As with all human made things in the universe, eventually everything will be done just for the sake of it. Everyone of us, at some point, has already spread 2-hour-work over the full 8 hours, just to get the time done. It wouldn't have made a difference to the company if you did it in 2 hours and then went home. Or you showed up, did effectively nothing and then went home again. And then on other days you manage twice the workload.
But we keep showing up to work regularly, just because it is good form and expected of us. So sometimes we are showing up just for the sake of showing up.

With the introduction of a four hour work day, this wouldn't change. Fact of the matter is that we are humans and not machines, and our productivity isn't tied to specific days. Some would be extremely productive on a sunday as well. Some are extremely productive around midnight and achieve nothing during a regular work day. Flexibility is the answer. Not the numbers.
 
The hours people work are insane and often lead to health problems from too much physical inactivity and/or too much stress. There's plenty of ways to reduce the work day, but it'd require a heavy restructuring of the way we work as a society and America doesn't seem interested in doing something like that.
 
JarodRussell said:
As with all human made things in the universe, eventually everything will be done just for the sake of it. Everyone of us, at some point, has already spread 2-hour-work over the full 8 hours, just to get the time done. It wouldn't have made a difference to the company if you did it in 2 hours and then went home. Or you showed up, did effectively nothing and then went home again. And then on other days you manage twice the workload.
But we keep showing up to work regularly, just because it is good form and expected of us. So sometimes we are showing up just for the sake of showing up.

With the introduction of a four hour work day, this wouldn't change. Fact of the matter is that we are humans and not machines, and our productivity isn't tied to specific days. Some would be extremely productive on a sunday as well. Some are extremely productive around midnight and achieve nothing during a regular work day. Flexibility is the answer. Not the numbers.
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Admiral, that is preCISEly how it works here in the UAE...they are EVER so flexible when it comes to quantity and volume of output...sure, we have our requisite slackers, like anywhere else, but though it rankles our western Ex-Pat work sensibilities, they really turn it on when they need it...yes, they have all the gold-presses Latinum in the universe! but the point of Flexibility is one that is embraced, nay, mitochondrial in the way things go here...

:brickwall: :D
 
sidious618 said:
The hours people work are insane and often lead to health problems from too much physical inactivity and/or too much stress. There's plenty of ways to reduce the work day, but it'd require a heavy restructuring of the way we work as a society and America doesn't seem interested in doing something like that.
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Here, here and Huzzah! from the Education Sector! :techman:
 
sidious618 said:
The hours people work are insane and often lead to health problems from too much physical inactivity and/or too much stress. There's plenty of ways to reduce the work day, but it'd require a heavy restructuring of the way we work as a society and America doesn't seem interested in doing something like that.
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Yeah, this would require stopping, thinking, and giving due consideration, and as we all know, ain't nobody got time for that.
 
JarodRussell said:
As with all human made things in the universe, eventually everything will be done just for the sake of it. Everyone of us, at some point, has already spread 2-hour-work over the full 8 hours, just to get the time done.
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This is exactly why I quit my last job. It was a 45-hour work week that only required me to do about 15 hours of actual work. It was so boring and such a waste of time. I ended up inventing random projects to do just to keep myself busy.

At least with my current job I'm actually useful for most of the hours that I work.
 
sidious618 said:
The hours people work are insane and often lead to health problems from too much physical inactivity and/or too much stress. There's plenty of ways to reduce the work day, but it'd require a heavy restructuring of the way we work as a society and America doesn't seem interested in doing something like that.
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This is true. A sedentary lifestyle and poor diet (overeating) are contributing factors in obesity, which leads to many health problems such as diabetes and cardiovascular diseases. It's no wonder more than half of people in the U.S. are overweight and have health issues.

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According to the CDC, one third of U.S. adults are obese and about two thirds are overweight.
 
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Uh huh.

Yeah, put this into practice and we go the way of Greece.

How freaking spoiled and entitled have we gotten? Thinking we're owed a living whether or not we're putting any effort into contributing something. God, people like this make me sympathize with the neocons, the people I despise more than anybody else. It's one thing to ask for a living wage and another thing to ask for luxury accommodations for hours that barely require you to get your ass off the couch.

The economic reality that raising the cost of employing people would reduce the demand of employees. All the people who want to be paid $21/hour for 20 hour work weeks wouldn't be making the money they want, they'd be out of a job because they'd only be willing to hire people from those jobs when their work ethic is thoroughly proven. Then the rest of us who actually take pride in the quality of our work would pay for it when the economy tanked.

Ask for the minimum wage to be scaled with the cost of living, I will be on your side. Ask for the ability to live the way you did when you were a teenager when your parents were taking care of you as an adult when I worked my ass off to get where I am today, you can go f yourself.
 
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I'd be more able to get behind a 4 day work week instead and recalculate wages accordingly. Monday-Thursday with Friday-Sunday off. Only two days off a week is just never enough. People tend to barely work on Fridays anyway so it'd basically be a wash. ;)
 
Flux Capacitor said:
I'd be more able to get behind a 4 day work week instead and recalculate wages accordingly. Monday-Thursday with Friday-Sunday off. Only two days off a week is just never enough. People tend to barely work on Fridays anyway so it'd basically be a wash. ;)
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Yeah, that's my preference too. Working eight hours a day is fine, but I want more days off to live my life.
 
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