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'The 34th Rule' (audiobook)

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I just finished the 34th Rule audiobook (took smoe finding, too- was not available on iTunes for some reason?). I thought it was... good, but there were some sections that stretched credulity for me a bit. The worst, for me, was the early scene between Sisko and Quark where Sisko essentially brushes off the incredible racism of the new Bajoran law outlawing Ferengi from the system- Sisko even says: "I'm not your friend, Quark." Can we really believe that Sisko would say these things after the conversation they had had at the end of S2? (I got the impression this story took place in S4 as Worf was present but the Dominion had not yet allied with Cardassia). It just came off as incredibly harsh. I get that they aren't friends, but for some reason I couldn't 'believe' that conversation, which really damaged the rest of the book for me. However, discounting that one scene, I thought the rest was pretty believable and quite good- would have made a good episode.
 
^What did you think of the follow-up scene on the holodeck where Sisko, with Jake's helps, confronts the possibility of his prejudice towards Ferengi?

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
 
I just finished the 34th Rule audiobook (took smoe finding, too- was not available on iTunes for some reason?). I thought it was... good, but there were some sections that stretched credulity for me a bit. The worst, for me, was the early scene between Sisko and Quark where Sisko essentially brushes off the incredible racism of the new Bajoran law outlawing Ferengi from the system- Sisko even says: "I'm not your friend, Quark." Can we really believe that Sisko would say these things after the conversation they had had at the end of S2? (I got the impression this story took place in S4 as Worf was present but the Dominion had not yet allied with Cardassia). It just came off as incredibly harsh. I get that they aren't friends, but for some reason I couldn't 'believe' that conversation, which really damaged the rest of the book for me. However, discounting that one scene, I thought the rest was pretty believable and quite good- would have made a good episode.
I've never actually heard the audiobook of The 34th Rule, but when Armin received the script for it, it upset him. He called me and told me that the heart of the novel had been removed, and even suggested that he shouldn't do the reading. I told him that while I appreciated him wanting to safeguard my work, I had no problem at all with him reading the abridged version of The 34th Rule for the audiobook. For me, the audiobook really isn't the novel, merely an approximation of the novel. Perhaps if you read the book in its entirety, the scene that bothered you would prove less troublesome.
 
Yeah, that was to have been the cover of the Crucible hardcover. I didn't actually intend to have it end up as my avatar, and there must be some glitch in the board software to have allowed me to load it, as its size sits well beyond the limits for such objects. I wanted to post the cover where it had been mentioned in another thread, but I have no online link to it. In attempting to find some other way of posting it, I accidentally ended up with it as my avatar. I guess I'd better replace it with a pic of an appropriate size.
 
no. at first I thought it was a version of the movie poster, and then I realise the word "crucible" at the bottom right corner. It was really pretty, love the colour scheme, very different from the individual books.
 
I just finished the 34th Rule audiobook (took smoe finding, too- was not available on iTunes for some reason?). I thought it was... good, but there were some sections that stretched credulity for me a bit. The worst, for me, was the early scene between Sisko and Quark where Sisko essentially brushes off the incredible racism of the new Bajoran law outlawing Ferengi from the system- Sisko even says: "I'm not your friend, Quark." Can we really believe that Sisko would say these things after the conversation they had had at the end of S2? (I got the impression this story took place in S4 as Worf was present but the Dominion had not yet allied with Cardassia). It just came off as incredibly harsh. I get that they aren't friends, but for some reason I couldn't 'believe' that conversation, which really damaged the rest of the book for me. However, discounting that one scene, I thought the rest was pretty believable and quite good- would have made a good episode.
I've never actually heard the audiobook of The 34th Rule, but when Armin received the script for it, it upset him. He called me and told me that the heart of the novel had been removed, and even suggested that he shouldn't do the reading. I told him that while I appreciated him wanting to safeguard my work, I had no problem at all with him reading the abridged version of The 34th Rule for the audiobook. For me, the audiobook really isn't the novel, merely an approximation of the novel. Perhaps if you read the book in its entirety, the scene that bothered you would prove less troublesome.

Thank you for this answer, I will do just that.

I would also be fascinated to hear more about the process you and AS went through to collaborate on this project- how did it come about? What was the collaboration like? Were you happy with the final project? I'm sorry to hear that the audiobook was ill-served as I am a big fan of them (I listen to them while running). If you have already answered these questions in another place please redirect, but it'd be wonderful to hear more about how this book came together, as I consider it one of the more significant DS9 novels.
 
I would also be fascinated to hear more about the process you and AS went through to collaborate on this project- how did it come about? What was the collaboration like? Were you happy with the final project?

From another thread some time ago:

You got it. I used to feel reluctant to talk about the nuts and (self-sealing stem) bolts of my collaboration with Armin, but I've heard him tell it often enough now that I'm no longer uncomfortable discussing it.

After approaching an editor at Pocket Books about the possibility of Armin and I penning a Deep Space Nine novel, we were told that the publisher would indeed be interested, but that we would still have to go through the same process as everybody else. At the time, that meant crafting a narrative outline for the novel, and if that passed muster, then we would have to turn in three sample chapters. Then, at that point, the editor would greenlight the book or pass on it.

So Armin and I met over the course of a couple of weeks and greatly expanded a tale that we had, with a third writer, pitched as an episode to the producers of DSN (the third writer had no interest in writing a novel). Armin and I worked together on this, in the same room, jotting down notes and beating out the plot points and character arcs. Ultimately, I wrote a draft of a narrative outline, Armin went over it, and then we submitted it to the editor at Pocket.

Fifteen minutes later, I received a telephone call saying that Pocket would indeed buy the novel, which at the time Armin and I called War Is Good for Business (a working title I knew we would change). I asked about the three chapters we were supposed to produce, but I was told that based on the writing in the outline, we had already proven our abilities. Armin and I signed on with a literary agent at his theatrical agency, a deal was done, and we then set out to write the book.

Now, understand that Armin had already co-authored a novel, The Merhcant Prince, a delightful science fiction work that mixed in Armin's love of Shakespeare and history. Our plan for our book was that, working from the outline, I would write the first draft of a chapter, then hand it over to Armin so that he could edit, rewrite, and add to it. We would go through however many iterations we needed to get a chapter right, then move on.

A fine, seemingly workable plan. Except that after I handed Armin a hardcopy of the first draft of the first chapter, something else happened. Armin loved what I had written so much that he wanted to leave it virtually unchanged. The same thing occurred with the second chapter, and it soon became readily apparent to the two of us that I would essentially write the novel by myself. As it turned out, that worked out well for both of us. Armin really liked my writing, and I learned that I worked best as a solo artist.

So in the case of The 34th Rule, I ended up writing the actual novel, though Armin and I cracked the original story together. Being the good, honest man that he is, Armin never hesitates to tell readers this. At first, I suggested to him that perhaps he shouldn't do that, but that never stopped him. A class act, that man, and I am very fortunate to be able to call him a friend. (My friendship with Armin and his wonderful wife Kitty was a great benefit of working on The 34th Rule.)

So there you have it.
 
The one time I met Armin, I went on and on about how well he nailed Rom's voice on the 34th Rule audio, but he said he just had a cold when he recorded it.

Since the idea for the book had originated as an episode pitch, I figured maybe the abridged audio would be a "truer version" of what the DS9 episode might have been, but he said that wasn't the case and he had no input into the audio script
 
The one time I met Armin, I went on and on about how well he nailed Rom's voice on the 34th Rule audio, but he said he just had a cold when he recorded it.

I finished the audiobook last night. Shimmerman performed Zek's and Rom's voices so well that I wondered if Wallace Shawn and Max Grodenchik made cameos.
 
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