I remember thinking "They gave it to a kid who just got his first airbrush."
The 11 foot model and the panel lines
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I remember thinking "They gave it to a kid who just got his first airbrush."
Oh, and my mistake, he also added an extra line toward the back of the neck and a couple of cross lines at the front of the neck, but he also didn't excessively weather those particular lines for some reason so they aren't as glaring.
You won't get any argument from me about the excessive weathering, but everything else he did shows a high level of research and effort based on what little documentation he had. I can imagine that he was thinking that if Jefferies had put lines on the Phase II secondary hull that the original model must have had those lines as well.
And we can see how well Gary Kerr agree with what Ed did. In the plans he provided Greg Jein and the subsequent model for DS9, we see a model finished very much like the model is today. The model had the correct grille on the inside of the warp nacelles, all the grid lines on the bottom and edge of the saucer, and nothing at all on the secondary hull or nacelles. It did not have the correct dome on the lower side of the saucer, but it did have the correct font for the markings on the secondary hull and all three of the small text decals (with another on the finished port side) , though I don't think they used the original text. It also had a more correct deflector dish.
You won't get any argument from me about the excessive weathering, but everything else he did shows a high level of research and effort based on what little documentation he had. I can imagine that he was thinking that if Jefferies had put lines on the Phase II secondary hull that the original model must have had those lines as well.
And we can see how well Gary Kerr agree with what Ed did. In the plans he provided Greg Jein and the subsequent model for DS9, we see a model finished very much like the model is today. The model had the correct grille on the inside of the warp nacelles, all the grid lines on the bottom and edge of the saucer, and nothing at all on the secondary hull or nacelles. It did not have the correct dome on the lower side of the saucer, but it did have the correct font for the markings on the secondary hull and all three of the small text decals (with another on the finished port side) , though I don't think they used the original text. It also had a more correct deflector dish.
Could you clarify where these features are on the model? I'm not familiar with them at this point.
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You can see some of them by scrolling through this:
https://www.therpf.com/forums/threads/the-enterprise-restoration-project.129807/
From left to right they are found on the bottom of the saucer under the front upper gray box, on the bottom of the saucer under the starboard gray box, and the third one is found on the starboard side of the secondary hull at the aft base of the pylon. Amazingly, even though the model was scrubbed and given a dusting of paint between when it arrived at the NASM and 1991, these survived intact. The originals are on a rectangle of decal sheet. I would assume the replacements are as well, but other than knowing the original text is back in the right place, I don't have many photos showing these in place (just the telltale blob at the right location).
The decals were never visible on television. Between the lack of extreme closeups, the generational loss from compositing the fx on film, and the low resolution of NTSC broadcasts and 20th century TV sets, there was never even a theoretical possibility that they'd be seen by the audience. I wonder why they were ever there.
While it is true that the text was never readable, the decals themselves are visible in the final film composit and are visible on the blu-ray of the original effects.
Thanks for the amount of detail on this matter. It's very interesting that the refit has access hatches near these places. Looking at this angle, and thinking about early special effects that had the phasers shoot out higher than they do in the shot that uses this angle, does make me wonder, are there any specific details on the model that might be the actual phaser emitters, and not just the ring around the sensors? I know that TOS-remastered used the ring exclusively, but that just did not seem completely correct to me, and maybe even too much like TNG. If there was a "forward phaser" control room, one would think that there would be more than just forward phasers, or more to it than just a ring that could fire in any direction.
I noticed on the 11 Footer that the Enterprise looks to just have the one phaser--under the lower saucer dome and leaning forward a bit. I never noticed that. Henoch or Yotsuya had a nice side view of the pilot version in one of the other threads.
I'd like to see more external drawings of the TOS Enterprise, over the years, all to the same scale.
I'd like to see more external drawings of the TOS Enterprise, over the years, all to the same scale.
I don't think the 11-footer had any visible phaser emitters or torpedo tubes. That was a feature of the Franz Joseph drawings, and then TMP and beyond.
Well, what that is on the lower side of the saucer is debatable. In dialog the Enterprise has more than one phaser, though we only ever see the one pair fire. The effects weren't consistent, but for the most part the phasers emitted a pair of blue beams and the photon torpedo emitted a glowing white ball. These effects are tied to the same location. the way I'm leaning is that the domes on the top and bottom of the saucuer and the one above the hanger are actually the phasers and the photon torpedo tube is closed by a hatch like a WWII submarine. The problem with my idea is placing phasers over the bridge. I haven't figured that out, but the closed torpedo tube seems the logical way to handle that feature.
I will be working on that shortly. I have used everything I can glean from what Gary Kerr has shared online as well as all the photos of the model I can find to create detailed drawings of the main series version of the model. It has come out considerably different in some ways from Sinclair or Casimiro's drawings (some points are closer to one than the other). I already have the details for the bridge, nacelle spikes, and deflector dish so I just need to gather what I need for the windows, markings, and other surface details before i can do that.
I hope you also have different variants. The three-footer (Shaw's drawings if he permits them) should be the Constitution itself (as planned) with, say Masao's drawings as built.
Then the second pilot, etc.
I'd like to see overlays between your, Everhart's Sinclairs, and the drawings of Aridas that he calls Bonhomme Richard.
I think Titan magazine could do a lot with all of these different side views--enough for each of the 12 ships.
That way, each artist can shine and be immortal...in print. They deserve that--as you do for your fine work.
I see that in answering my question you say you also are looking for a place to be the actual emitters for the weapons. The reason I asked before is that the dark grey areas that you show are marked as "inspection doors" would be great candidates, especially for the photon tubes (there is a precedence of inspections taking place in the photon tubes in ST:II).
Phasers originate from near these in this screencap:
http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/1x10/corbomitemanuever096.jpg
Phasers or Photon Torpedoes originate from near these in this screencap:
http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/1x14/balanceofterror158.jpg
It's like I said: the 11-footer had no emitters intended as such. And the in-universe emitters are all over the place in the series fx.
http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/2x06/doomsdaymachine_362.jpg
http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/2x06/doomsdaymachine_362.jpg
Most notably in Arena.
The Enterprise's three double phaser bursts, which Sulu says constituted a full discharge of phaser banks, fire from an unusual location in this episode - not from near the glowing dome at the bottom of the saucer, but from much higher up, closer to where Matt Jefferies originally located the main phaser banks in his early diagrams of the ship. These schematics appeared as display diagrams in other episodes and also on the sides of the early AMT Star Trek model kits.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0708418/trivia
The Enterprise's three double phaser bursts, which Sulu says constituted a full discharge of phaser banks, fire from an unusual location in this episode - not from near the glowing dome at the bottom of the saucer, but from much higher up, closer to where Matt Jefferies originally located the main phaser banks in his early diagrams of the ship. These schematics appeared as display diagrams in other episodes and also on the sides of the early AMT Star Trek model kits.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0708418/trivia
Thanks for posting this, as it was unknown to me that the phaser banks ever were intended to be higher up in that location. This shot used here in Area that you mentioned is one of the ones from the Corbomite Manuever also. I have always wondered if the presumed windows at the bottom of the saucer are actually phaser emitters. It would make sense since there are some on each side, and thus there would be mutliple phaser rooms, which is implied by there being a "foward phaser" room.
Even if other shots show it differently, I think that the phasers coming from somewhere in the metal part of the saucer, probably not the ring or dome, makes a lot of sense. I do not think I agree with TOS-R making photon torpedoes come out of the ring area, either, since there is no hatch for them to come out of. Having them come out of any "window" or hatch would make more sense if they are in a casing like in any other Star Trek show.
https://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=44&page=2
I never thought of having a window be a weapon port, but why not. Or, as with torpedo tubes on a submarine, phaser hatch covers that are flush with the hull could be anywhere, with the seams too fine to see. The door swings open, the phaser fires, and the door closes.
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