That bit where Picard stares off in Nemesis after impailing Shinzon

[Ssosmcin]

Re: That bit where Picard stares off in Nemesis after impailing Shinzo

Yeah, that's all swell and how do you do, but the whole point of him going over there was to keep the weapon from firing and destroying the Enterprise. Standing there, stopping to smell the irony or "realizing he's going to die" while doing nothing only condemns his crew to death and make the whole thing pointless. I wasn't thinking "jeez, Picard, escape." I was thinking "holy crap, just turn around and save the damned ship in the nick of time already!" I don't care what significance Shinzon represented, when his crew was in danger, he had his priorities straight. Even when he was in melodramatic grief over his brother and nephew, he snapped out of it when the star went nuts. As he has (kinda) said in the past: "We'll have time to grieve later, but now we have to save people and shit. Make it so."

I'd rather they extended the countdown, give Picard a few seconds of introspection and then pick up a broken phaser. Realizing that won't work, he tries to figure out the control panel but (for once) can't. Then Data arrives, slaps the transporter tie clip on Picard and does his thing.

 

[DonIago]

Re: That bit where Picard stares off in Nemesis after impailing Shinzo

...apparently you've never actually been in shock before.

 

[Green Shirt]

Re: That bit where Picard stares off in Nemesis after impailing Shinzo

Really? I'd think you'd get used to it after a few viewings.

How many people could actually stomach a few viewings of this movie?

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Re: That bit where Picard stares off in Nemesis after impailing Shinzo

I watch it every couple years.

And the staring while the clock is ticking.. that happens so frequently in movies that I'm kind of numb to the dumbness. Picard is a trained starfleet officer and IRL (lol) I do not think he would be blanking out in shock while still in a life and death situation.

 

[eepruls]

Re: That bit where Picard stares off in Nemesis after impailing Shinzo

I watch it every couple years.

And the staring while the clock is ticking.. that happens so frequently in movies that I'm kind of numb to the dumbness. Picard is a trained starfleet officer and IRL (lol) I do not think he would be blanking out in shock while still in a life and death situation.

I agree 100%. It might be different if Picard and Shinzon grew up together (like identical twins) and then Shinzon turned to the dark side later in life. You know, where Picard would have difficulty with actually having to stop him. But that scene where he zones out after killing him is just dumb. It's the writers saying again that Picard sees himself in Shinzon and that it could be him if he had his life. So stupid.

The only thing Picard knows about Shinzon is that he's a crazy nutjob who wants to kill everything. If my clone wanted to kill everyone and eradicate Earth, I wouldn't be stressing out when I killed him. As a trained Starfleet officer, I think Picard would see killing Shinzon as his duty. Shinzon is beyond redemption.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Re: That bit where Picard stares off in Nemesis after impailing Shinzo

Plus it's the FUTURE. No one is having any angsty crises over whether their clone is really them. They are used to that stuff.

 

[AdmiralScreed]

Re: That bit where Picard stares off in Nemesis after impailing Shinzo

Really? I'd think you'd get used to it after a few viewings.

How many people could actually stomach a few viewings of this movie?

(raises hand)

It has its flaws, yes, but all around I think it's a decent film. Along with INS I think NEM is one of the better TNG films. I've found that I actually enjoy it more on repeat viewings.

And to stay on topic, I have no issue with Picard stopping for a moment after Shinzon is killed. He is his clone after all. The fact that he's a psychopath is irrelevant. If I saw my own clone killed in front of my eyes it would have an effect on me.

 

[sonak]

Re: That bit where Picard stares off in Nemesis after impailing Shinzo

...apparently you've never actually been in shock before.

No one forced Picard to go over there, he volunteered. If his psychological issues prevent him from doing his duty, it's entirely his fault for insisting he go.

 

[RyanKCR]

Re: That bit where Picard stares off in Nemesis after impailing Shinzo

...apparently you've never actually been in shock before.

No one forced Picard to go over there, he volunteered. If his psychological issues prevent him from doing his duty, it's entirely his fault for insisting he go.

You don't understand shock either.

 

[sonak]

Re: That bit where Picard stares off in Nemesis after impailing Shinzo

...apparently you've never actually been in shock before.

No one forced Picard to go over there, he volunteered. If his psychological issues prevent him from doing his duty, it's entirely his fault for insisting he go.

You don't understand shock either.

I wasn't responding to the issue if the effects of shock, I'm saying I wouldn't be very sympathetic since Picard was a lousy choice to go in the first place because of the potential psychological issues and the reality of him being an old man facing a physical confrontation.

 

[Ssosmcin]

Re: That bit where Picard stares off in Nemesis after impailing Shinzo

...apparently you've never actually been in shock before.

Shock shmock, this is a fictional character who has been shown dealing with years worth of crises and threats against his ship and crew by putting aside his personal feelings and taking care of business. To suddenly have him too "shocked" to move because his clone died goes against his character and it, frankly, does Picard a disservice. He was less upset over Data.

 

[inflatabledalek]

Re: That bit where Picard stares off in Nemesis after impailing Shinzo

I can sort of see what they were aiming for with the shock and dismay thing, but it's so ineptly done (and somethings got to have gone very wrong somewhere for Stewart to make a misstep in his performance) it looks more like Picard is ready for his afternoon nap.

 

[shivkala]

Re: That bit where Picard stares off in Nemesis after impailing Shinzo

I think all that's missing is a Danny Glover-esque, "I'm getting too old for this shit."

 

[knowthyself]

Re: That bit where Picard stares off in Nemesis after impailing Shinzo

...apparently you've never actually been in shock before.

Shock shmock, this is a fictional character who has been shown dealing with years worth of crises and threats against his ship and crew by putting aside his personal feelings and taking care of business. To suddenly have him too "shocked" to move because his clone died goes against his character and it, frankly, does Picard a disservice. He was less upset over Data.

^ THIS