Spoilers TF: A Ceremony of Losses by David Mack Review Thread

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  1. JeBuS

    JeBuS Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Nob Akimoto, didn't I say as much? This group of geneticists solved the unconquerable puzzle in a week. After years and years of completely ignoring the problem. And they did so via the magic of Deus Ex Genome.
     
  2. Edit_XYZ

    Edit_XYZ Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    In 'Paths of Disharmony' it was established that Starfleet leadership - at least - knew of the existence of the Shedai Meta-Genome, its value, and the fact that they had it.
    They didn't want to use it because they considered using it 'playing god'. Meaning, they did not use it to develop defences during the ample time they had between the appearance of the borg/dominion and 'Destiny'.
    Result - 65+ BILLION dead; the federation, severely weakened. In any non-fictional universe, these guys would have been court-martialed for gross negligence/incompetence/maybe even treason and would subsequently rot in prison/be executed.
     
  3. JeBuS

    JeBuS Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    I can only presume that Section 31 didn't know about the Genome beforehand. Otherwise, what fracking good are they? Andoria seceded because the Brass didn't want to give up the Genome secret. Wouldn't you say that was an existential crisis for the Federation? Sorta what 31 is built for.

    But then, what if they did know about it? The question would again be asked: What good are they? If they did know about it, and they did in fact want to recruit Bashir, wouldn't you think that'd be a good way to go about it? Rather than send him on a James Bond mission?

    The whole story revolving around the Genome is just way too big a Deus Ex Machina. It solves too many problems while attempting to brush aside a whole bunch of other stuff.
     
  4. Nob Akimoto

    Nob Akimoto Captain Captain

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    Well no, they solved the problem in a week using the accumulated data of at least 4 years of extensive research and clinical trials by the Andorians, AND a complete database rather than the partial one that the Andorians were working from. Shar and co. were pretty close to an answer, but they were on a very tight time schedule and so it required desperate measures. Like stealing a super top secret classified file.
     
  5. Edit_XYZ

    Edit_XYZ Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    About Bashir&co solving the andorian reproduction problem in a week:
    They solved it using a reservoir of ultimate/ancient knowledge.
    This reservoir IS a deus ex machina.

    On this forum, in the past, this is usually when the counterargument became ~'it's not a deus ex machina, it's a Chekhov's gun'.

    Well, Chekhov putting aside a mere, limited phaser at the beginning of the episode in order to use it later is a Chekhov's gun.
    ~'Chekhov putting aside at the beginning of the episode/book' a weapon that can destroy the entirety of the klingon empire in seconds (the caeliar) or a device that can solve any problem (the meta-genome) in order to use it later IS a deus ex machina - regardless of any previous mention of this 'deus'.
     
  6. Reanok

    Reanok Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    I have one question I want to ask about the Andorians in this novel
    I wanted to ask do we get to find out what happened to the Andorian crewmembers that were cloned from using transporter technology from the Titan and what happened to them in this novel?
     
  7. Jarvisimo

    Jarvisimo Captain Captain

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    Oh wow, this is what you miss when you don't read Titan!

    No these aren't mentioned in A Ceremony of Losses. Maybe thankfully!
     
  8. Scout101

    Scout101 Admiral Admiral

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    On a side note: was this book physically more flimsy than the previous few (Crimson Shadow, for example)? Seems this comes up on occasion, then they go back to normal, and then another 'cheap' one seems to pop up. Wondering if it was the run I got, or if that was the same for everyone. And what drives that end result...
     
  9. Wally

    Wally Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    No. It is not brought up at all.

    Furthermore, since it appears that the Andorian reproductive crisis is over, this seems to now be a dead-end storyline.
     
  10. Reanok

    Reanok Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Thanks for answering my question about the Andorian storyline.I didn't know how they's wrap up that titan storyplot in last years novel.
     
  11. Wally

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    It's possible they might do something with it in The Poisoned Chalice next month since that seems basically be the next Titan novel and I'm sure it will still involve the changes to the Andorians.
     
  12. jpv2000

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    I really hope they address it in "The Poisoned Chalice" I've been waiting a long time for my Titan fix and am really looking forward to this book.
     
  13. dispatcher812

    dispatcher812 Commander Red Shirt

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    I really enjoyed this book. It was fast paced and well written. Certainly the best of the three so far. This book went straight into the story with only one flash back at the beginning.

    I noticed in my Kindle Fire version that in several places after a sentence there was a string of characters see here:http://fitzsimmonsphotography.smugmug.com/Other/My-SmugMug-Site-Files-Do-Not/n-TLzt6/i-cgJNgpR/A

    Any body else see these? The string kept disappearing when I hit save so I had to post a link.

    Also what Titan book cloned Andorians. I do not remember that.
     
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  14. DEWLine

    DEWLine Commodore Commodore

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    Fallen Gods.
     
  15. rfmcdpei

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    Ow. I hadn't expected that. A Ceremony of Losses is good, but, ow.
     
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  17. Defcon

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    Same here.

    A certain someone will argue it's unreadable that way, but to be honest it didn't bother me that much (IIRC there were only a handful of those errors).
     
  18. Mimi

    Mimi Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Definitely noticed some errors in mine. Looked like it was frequently the " sign that got glitched out. I noticed maybe 5 or so.
     
  19. Defcon

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    I think the problem occurred whenever a single ' was followed directly by "
     
  20. CaffeineAddict

    CaffeineAddict Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    I noticed that when I was reading it too, but there weren't enough occurrences for it to spoil the book. Hopefully they'll update the kindle version at some point to correct it.