Terrorist Plots, Hatched by the F.B.I.
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Misleading thread title. They were not actual terrorist plots, only fake ones. If real terrorists were dumb enough to fall for them, that's their own damn fault. As long as no lives were lost, or even at risk, I give props to the FBI on this one.
You first. This isn't Drudge. Don't just post a link with a vague or misleading title, have something to say about it in the OP or you're just spamming. State your opinion on the subject and give people a direction of discussion you want to go in. You've posted numerous threads with at most one sentence intros if we're lucky (here are some recent examples).
Since I've talked to you about this specific thing before and about not spamming up the forum, you've earned an infraction for spamming. Post fewer threads with greater content from now on. This isn't your blog, and if it was, no one would read it because you aren't saying anything to back up your links. Comments to PM.
Of course, when you do give an opinion, it's for the most asinine, tinfoil hat reason imaginable. I'm not worried about the CIA (which doesn't operate domestically anyway by law) or the FBI trying to bomb America themselves in order to provoke a war. We're already pretty actively fighting terrorists around the globe as is, so there's no need for encouragement there, and you hardly need to bomb your own people in order to manufacture evidence to start a war (see: Iraq). All this talk of false flag operations is just a prelude to a bunch of "9/11 was an inside job" BS, which given your track record I wouldn't be surprised you believe.
When you should worry about operations like this is when it borders on real entrapment (as opposed to some of the examples in the article) or when it goes after innocent people. The concept that the FBI can get "ideas" for false flag operations from these stings is ridiculous since they have thousands of contingency plans for nearly every type of emergency imaginable in place anyway (the ideas already exist essentially), and they're running the operations, so they would be giving themselves the ideas, not drawing inspiration from elsewhere.
Now, the guys who already publicly expressed a desire to attack transportation centers, prominent landmarks, government buildings, synagogues and so forth, the ones who have donated to al Qaeda or attended training camps, and the ones who have posted "death to America" or "death to the Jews" blogs; if they can be convinced through a sting to plant a fake bomb or go through some other fake terror plot, I don't have much sympathy for them regardless of the bumbling Keystone Cops nature of their plans. No amount of benign encouragement (as opposed to coercion by threat or so forth) should be able to trap someone into being willing to attack their country or innocent people.
However, if they've not expressed any desire for terrorist acts or hate crimes before, and have been coerced somehow through threat of force or manipulation of themselves or their families, that's entrapment and that's wrong. That's the kind of thing you should be worried about; unchecked expansion of power of law enforcement and intelligence agencies and questionable investigative techniques, not the FBI bombing buildings in the US.
Yevetha
Commodore
I was lazy, so borrowed the title from the Nytimes article.
Considering the fact that the Magna Charta was shredded by Obama and his gang i donát want that kind of temptation. I dont want them to have running aroound with potential patsies for a real flase flag.
I did not study the issue enough to say it was a conspiracy or the official version 100% accurate.
Read the article, in one case they gave one guy 250000 dollars to sway him. Usually the FBI goes after people who already in the dirty business, they do not initiate people into illegal activities. The press does not always know that these plots are FBI jobs and therefore they exagerate the chances of a terror plot.
What in my post history would indicate that i am a truther?
Considering the fact that the Magna Charta was shredded by Obama and his gang i donát want that kind of temptation. I dont want them to have running aroound with potential patsies for a real flase flag.
I did not study the issue enough to say it was a conspiracy or the official version 100% accurate.
Read the article, in one case they gave one guy 250000 dollars to sway him. Usually the FBI goes after people who already in the dirty business, they do not initiate people into illegal activities. The press does not always know that these plots are FBI jobs and therefore they exagerate the chances of a terror plot.
What in my post history would indicate that i am a truther?
The Magna CARTA (notice the spelling) has nothing to do with the United States. Please do a little basic research before posting ridiculous statements like your entire OP.
But at what point does someone become a "real" terrorist? That seems to be the issue behind a lot of these stories. In terms of any crime I'm sure the majority of people have considered comitting a crime, even if it's a daydream about pulling off a bank robbery or even just walking off without paying for a newspaper. Most people would never in a million years act upon these ideas, but if some plausible person showed up suggesting you could, and if you were suggestible, even had mental health issues, you could be persuded into it.
After all actual Islamic terrorist groups often target the very same people for their own ends, how many failed suicide bombers have been found to be young/undereducted/lacking mental capacity in some way.
As the judge said
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This links in with the ongoing Tappin case. Now I have no problem with his extradition if he's guilty of a crime, but again it seems like the FBI set something up to draw someone in.
I understand that there's a fine line in many of these cases, and that sting operations have their uses in drawing out truly dangerous people, but it strikes me that some people are losing sight of the ball here. The danger is that these sorts of convictions are muddying the waters somewhat, either by suggesting there's more of a threat out there than there actually is, or by making the authorities complacent that they're preventing terror attacks when in actual fact all they're doing is sweeping up the potential low level extremists and maybe missing out on the more legitimate and more dangerous players elsewhere.
The West has actively supported Muslim fundamentalists to further its own goals (e.g. in Egypt the Muslim brothers during virtually all of the 20th century), to fight the current enemy (Afghanistan or Bosnia) or to create disruption in the enemy camp (Israel having had no issues with the rise of Hamas as it kept Fatah in check).
So Sunni extremists do not really worry me in times of overpopulation, climate change and lack of financial order, these guys have been part of global power politics for a long time and the contemporary conflict with Al-Qaeda is a giant waste of resources and lives plus, to come back to the topic, basic democratic freedoms while we are still friends with the Saudis.
So Sunni extremists do not really worry me in times of overpopulation, climate change and lack of financial order, these guys have been part of global power politics for a long time and the contemporary conflict with Al-Qaeda is a giant waste of resources and lives plus, to come back to the topic, basic democratic freedoms while we are still friends with the Saudis.
I'm assuming you meant the US Constitution there rather than the Magna Carta, unless the year is 1215 and Obama --with the blessing of the Pope-- renounced the committee of 25 barons who could overrule him while I wasn't looking. Regardless, he didn't "shred" the Constitution. I don't like the way he's played fast and loose with it at times, but he's hardly discarded it completely unless I've been living under a dictatorship the past three years and just didn't notice.
I did read the article, hence my distinguishing between the types of sting operations I was fine with (for the reasons listed above) and those I wasn't based on examples from the article and ones of my own.
Well, from this thread alone the fact that you think the US Constitution has been completely thrown out and that the FBI and CIA are conducting false flag operations against our own people. Your willingness to proceed from a position of ignorance and believe any wild ass theory that gets published on the internet. The fact that you think the US actually has eyes on conquering Romania. Your obsession with following fringe political movements and beliefs in the US. If you so easily latch on to fringe movements and conspiracy theories, why is it a stretch to think you might be a 9/11 Truther as well?
Yevetha
Commodore
The Magna Carta established that the executive branch cannot lock people up without the other branches cooperating and having a trial. According to the NDAA Obama can order anybody to be locked up without trial indefintly. As far as the 1st amendemnt goes he wages a war on whistleblowers.
"Considering the fact that the Magna Charta was shredded by Obama and his gang i donát want that kind of temptation. I dont want them to have running aroound with potential patsies for a real flase flag."
I just said that there is a temptation, which is very dangerous.
I never said that, i just said that we are pieces on the US Chessboard.
Like what?
Politics is a fringe thing in US culture. Only 10% of voters look at the issues before voting.
Yevetha never said this yet if he had it would obviously be untrue ... yet nonetheless closer to the truth than the naive idea that police and intelligence agencies, not just in the US but everywhere, always act in the interest of the public. At least the latter are most often a reactionary force.
He said Obama shredded the Constitution (actually he said Magna Carta, but whatever). How is that functionally any different from saying it's been thrown out except to those who want to be pedantic?
Oddly enough, though, you totally misunderstood me in the process if you think I said US law enforcement and intelligence agencies always act in the best interests of the people. In fact out spelled out several examples of where that's not the case and how we should be wary of the unchecked expansion of their powers. My objection was solely to the idea of them conducting false flag terror operations against the American public.
BARACK OBAMA DOESN'T CARE ABOUT FEUDAL BARONS!
That attitude is going to cost him the 12th century Feudal Baron vote come November...
You're the one who brought 12th century Feudal Barons into the discussion. Perhaps that was a bad move on your part?