Of course I have but I am being specific and asking about muslim terrorist groups. Of course I know of the IRA and all the cowardly acts that they performed. They were also a bunch of cowards like the muslim terrorists
Terrorist Attacks in Paris
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Of course I have but I am being specific and asking about muslim terrorist groups. Of course I know of the IRA and all the cowardly acts that they performed. They were also a bunch of cowards like the muslim terrorists
It's always been common. Americans often funded a great deal of it. Then it happened to America and suddenly we were all supposed to give a shit. They even told us to declare war on it. Bless em.
During the Turkey V Greece match last Tuesday, a large number of the Turkey fans booed throughout the minutes silence to show solidarity for France. At first, you think how despicable but then you remember that the Turks suffered a similar terrorist attack last October (over 100 killed)... and no one gave a solitary fuck.
I don't remember seeing any Turkish flags as avatars on here.
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Yeah, I'm sure sidious is fully familiar with Maher's particular brand of Islamophobia already.
It is repugnant how you essentially suggest that the entire population of Salafists is bent on murdering everyone else, when those who actually commit terrorist acts or function as armed military combatants are so small in number. And you continually exaggerate how many Salafists there are in the first place. To what end, I do not know, but it is certainly rich for you to claim others are naive and ignorant when you can't get your basic facts straight.
The real naivete is in the subset of liberal-minded atheists who think there is something uniquely evil about Islam (or Salafism, if you want to be more specific). You suggest that Salafists cannot be reasoned with, so deep is their belief and devotion, but you don't ask how they came to have those beliefs in the first place. No one is born believing this way--it is learned. Under what circumstances is it learned? Many of the terrorists we have seen commit these acts were relatively recent converts. They didn't grow up believing everyone else was a kufir who deserved to die. They learned this. In other words, there is a competition for philosophical space in the minds of individuals, and for some of those individuals, rational Western thought and liberal social values lost to religious extremism. Addressing the causes of that sort of outcome is how you beat this kind of ideology in the long-term, at least as far as stopping groups like ISIS from recruiting from Western countries.
The spread of Salafism in the Middle East is a different kettle of fish, but again, it is not necessary to eliminate but to gradually soften the ideology and purge it of extreme elements that provide justification for mass murder.
And I will end by saying that you and people like you confuse impetus with justification. Islam (and religion in general) does not drive anyone to kill; it can only be warped to justify the acts of those who already want to kill. And if you think ISIS' forces are full are people devoted to murdering others due to virulent religious beliefs, you are also mistaken--ISIS fighters recruited locally (rather than from Western countries) have typically joined up for mundane, practical reasons like needing a steady income, a place to live, and a sense of belonging.
I can't testify to its veracity but I've read things before now that suggest a lot of people joined the IRA simply because of the financial benefits. ISIS, like the IRA (and the UDA etc. lets not be sectarian about this) and many other organisations past and present is effectively a criminal organisation, only one with a political/religious agenda and like you say people will join for myriad reasons and often the religious element is just an excuse. I imagine there's a lot of effectively conscription. It's like the Christian organisations in Africa, how many adult soldiers were taken as children, brainwashed into being perfect little soldiers. When someone comes into you village and basically gives you a choice between joining ISIS and having your head cut off, how many of us would kneel and say, "go on then." ?
In the end like most things its about power. Power over territory, power over women, power over peoples of other religions (or just different branches of their own religion) and basically just a perceived power over their own destiny.
Has anyone seen the film Four Lions? I still think it's one of the best films about Islamic terrorism, if only because the four protagonists, who are planning to blow up the London marathon, are clearly involved for very different reasons. So there's the guy who clearly thinks its cool, the recent white convert who's just incredibly angry, the kid who's clearly got learning difficulties who doesn't fully comprehend what he's involved in, and finally, and scariest of all, the true believer.
Its a very good film. It's also hilarious (I would add it is a comedy.
I read about him yesterday. He was a dude whose idea of a good time was dragging the burned corpses of infidels behind his truck. Nothing particularly religious about that--just a lust for mindless brutality.
Every ghetto is like that. It's how they become ghettos. It's not limited to ones that are majority Muslim.
Ok, I will chalk that one up to you only reading half of what people write and them assuming the rest because reading is just too difficult for you.
Also, you are completely clueless if you think Salafists can be reformed and have their "rougher edges sanded off". The other Muslims have been trying to do that for the last 1000+ years and that hasn't exactly worked. Maybe if you take it upon yourself to go visit with them and talk to them you will finally be the one to convince them though. Why not give your theory a try, my brave internet warrior?
Maybe you will be the hero who finally solves the 1000 year old theological dispute or failing that at least you'd get to star in a video on the news.
No argument there on your broader point though the parallel informal legal system using sharia does seem different from your average American ghetto.
The fact that you're linking to Bill Maher, a man scared so shitless of Muslims that he even bashed Ahmed, the kid who made the clock, is telling.
There is a difference between tough talk and actually going out of your way to murder people.
50+ million people hellbent on basically killing anything that moves is not what we see, even with these horrible attack.
If that were the case what happened in Paris would have looked more like the Mirakuru Soldier attack in Arrow than what we got with hundreds or thousands of fighters instead of a dozen or so.
You can say that every Salafist is a murderer all day long, but I don't believe that until every last one of them actually takes up arms.
Until then they are no more criminals or enemy combatants than your average neo nazi douche around here.
You may not like what they have to say or their general opinion, but legaly they are more or less in the clear.
Donating money to extremist organizations who do is a different matter of course, but then those actions are a sanatized action that doesn't require you to look anyone in the eye where many of them would break with their devotion.
It's only with the most extreme hardliners leading the charge I have a hard time finding any similarities of daily motivation to get out of bed.
The bulk of them for the most part just want to lead their live in the best way possible and murder is not on the forefront of their minds.
And I refuse to believe that there are 50mil+ people on this planet that would kill me without batting an eye if they get their hands on a weapon JUST because I don't share there religious belief.
By that logic the world today would look very different.
TV, I specifically said not all Salafists take the final step to becoming jihadists but most of their support, encouragement, and financial donations (at least for the Sunni groups) does indeed come from those Salafists. This is a distinction I have repeatedly made.
That is the group providing most of the fighters, teaching the radical stuff in schools, and agressively trying to export their ideology using both state and private money. That is the vector spreading the hatred and violence and they truly do believe that is what God and their religion demand they do. That is what makes them so dangerous and so resistant to "sanding off the rough edges" as Robert put it. The other Muslims have been unsuccessfully trying to do that since before William the Conqoeror. We are even less likely to be successful.
That is the group providing most of the fighters, teaching the radical stuff in schools, and agressively trying to export their ideology using both state and private money. That is the vector spreading the hatred and violence and they truly do believe that is what God and their religion demand they do. That is what makes them so dangerous and so resistant to "sanding off the rough edges" as Robert put it. The other Muslims have been unsuccessfully trying to do that since before William the Conqoeror. We are even less likely to be successful.
Sharia isn't a thing in the United States. Can you please point to a case where this has actually happened and a local Sharia court has overruled the establish legal system?
We are talking about in France. Also, I have been very specific that it is informal parallel "court" systems used by immigrant communities in France to avoid anyone getting in official trouble which might cause them to get deported. Not to be snide but you write very well and I am sure you could read my posts if you wanted to.
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Evidence of this assertion?
Meanwhile in Africa
http://www.nationalturk.com/en/boko...illed-north-eastern-nigeria-africa-news-48017
This has been going on for years but we only hear about it when the MSM wants to tell us.. What happened to all those young girls that were kidnapped and sold off as slaves and child brides? The world didn't, and doesn't give a fig about Africa..
http://www.nationalturk.com/en/boko...illed-north-eastern-nigeria-africa-news-48017
This has been going on for years but we only hear about it when the MSM wants to tell us.. What happened to all those young girls that were kidnapped and sold off as slaves and child brides? The world didn't, and doesn't give a fig about Africa..
