Another thought.
Why can't the money funding these groups be traced, or would that lead to embarrassment?
Why can't the money funding these groups be traced, or would that lead to embarrassment?
Terrorist Attacks in Paris
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It's likely being traced, but I expect any links to Saudi Arabia would be actively hushed up. The Saudis likely have a much greater distaste for the Iranians, the Russians, and Assad's Syria than for the pretend Caliphate, which can probably be slapped down hard when its continued existence is no longer convenient.
Yeah, the people at Al Quada and ISIS are like the Phelps clan or some of those Rapture Ready churches in the USA, or the people who didn't think twice about lynching black people but still said they where Christian...
[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glxh9ZgP7kc[/yt]
That's a good message.
Now what about the child marriage? Muhamed marrying a 9 yr old that's pretty sick
Three of the five identified Paris attackers came as supposed refugees in the last month while a fourth was a French citizen who had an arrest warrant out for trying to join a terrorist organization in Yemen. That last guy also came in through Greece using a false name but the Greeks can't check finger prints in real time so this wanted fugitive just walked on in. Leaving aside whither these people should be let in or not; if you are going to let people in you owe it to your citizens to at least screen them in some way before you let them loose into the EU.
That is just basic stuff which is not currently getting done.
That is just basic stuff which is not currently getting done.
ISIS is partly self-funding but also receives a lot of support from individuals in Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia is likely to do fuck all about this, and as an American ally that we don't dare piss off, we're not going to pressure them into anything, either.
Never mind that al-Qaeda originated in Saudi Arabia, and almost all the 9/11 hijackers were Saudis themselves. The extremist interpretation of Islam which ISIS represents is Saudi in origin. While the Saudi royals hobnob with American leaders, their schools are run by zealots who indoctrinate children with the idea that anyone who does not follow the way of Wahhabism (the brand of Islam practiced in Saudi Arabia) is an apostate at best or an infidel at worst--and all are worthy of death.
It must be said that this is not representative of most Muslims, much less Islam as a whole. To put it in perspective, only about 0.5% of all the worlds Muslims follow Wahhabism, and even then, only a tiny fraction of those take it to the violent extremes displayed by ISIS.
And the Bible is also filled with some pretty sick stuff...
Religions are fucked up...
The Saudis have taken a number of measures but obviously not enough nor have they closed a number of pathways which still exist for extremist groups to get funding from Saudi citizens. The real problem is how the Saudi state promotes Salafism as the official state religion which teaches some extremely screwed up fascist stuff about Sunni supremacy, that all unbelievers should be hated and shunned, and most of the stuff (such as raping infidel women is fine because God said it was ok for real muslims to do so) that all the Sunni terrorist groups follow.
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Karzak, yes and no, yes it is true that no one thinks the klan represents Christianity (the Klan's numbers are now down below 3000 and most of those aren't even active so it is a dying rump) but there are something like 200 million to 300 million Salafists (out of about 1.5 billion muslims total) so it is clearly a much larger threat. Worse, the ideology is promoted by several governments and, by the admission of muslims who are not Salafists, Salafism really does represent how early Islam was practiced in the 7th and 8th centuries by Mohammed and his followers themselves. There for it really does have a lot of pull in muslim communities as a supposedly purer form of Islam. Much of it is even based upon what is literally written in the Koran which muslims believe to be the literal word of God delivered to men.
That is a real big problem embedded in the religion of Islam itself which is hard to ignore or reform. That isn't the be all and end all of things but it does mean that the Salafists views are here to stay and really do represent a large and growing share of total muskims in the world. That is going to be very hard to deal with.
That is a real big problem embedded in the religion of Islam itself which is hard to ignore or reform. That isn't the be all and end all of things but it does mean that the Salafists views are here to stay and really do represent a large and growing share of total muskims in the world. That is going to be very hard to deal with.
http://news.yahoo.com/saudi-wahhabi...2399a9285&bcmt_s=u#mediacommentsugc_container
Wahhabism is the original form of Salafism though that particular flavor has been losing favor with Sunni extremists lately. Still, that article is a good read if anyone is interested in the topic.
Wahhabism is the original form of Salafism though that particular flavor has been losing favor with Sunni extremists lately. Still, that article is a good read if anyone is interested in the topic.
are there any statistics about how many of those 300 mil are totally ignorant about what their religion really teaches if even literate at all?
As sick as marrying a 12 y.o.
Indeed.
It's kind of disappointing that we can't pressure the saudis to stop funding to ISIS...
Of course we need their oil sigh, and the mighty dollar rules everything.
Of course we need their oil sigh, and the mighty dollar rules everything.
Most Syrian passports are fake these days. You can buy them for about $10 and corrupt Syrian officials sell blank passports to people smugglers to make extra cash as the government has not been paying government workers on time. This is why you have Pakistanis, Nigerians, and Bangledishis showing up in Europe claiming to be Syrians.
The big problem is no one is checking any of this or doing any security screening before the supposed refugees are just let loose in Europe. That is a massive security failure on the part of EU Authorities. Hell, one of the terrorists was a French citizen with an international arrest warrant out for him but he just walked back into the EU using a fake name and no one was the wiser until after he blew himself up. The Greeks had finger printed him but on paper so it couldn't be quickly checked in the database.
