Terrorist Attacks in Paris

[hux]

There are muslims who are nuts and who tacitly condone terrorism by doing nothing, and there are muslims who are terrorists. There are no other muslims.

Does that mean I have to stop watching Gogglebox? The Siddiqui's are my favourites but now that I know they're either terrorists or condone terrorism, I'm not sure what to do.

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3kE9vctKjk[/yt]

 

[HIjol]

The problem is extremism - which, sadly, is the general nature of the quoted post.

That all depends on believing that so called moderate muslims actually exist.

I don't believe they exist. It's a political left wing lie designed to force Islam on to western civilisation by stealth. I don't see these moderate muslims doing anything to stop their own sort from killing westerners.

There are muslims who are nuts and who tacitly condone terrorism by doing nothing, and there are muslims who are terrorists. There are no other muslims.

We shouldn't be tolerating either.

Bear, umm, actually, no.

I have been living and teaching in the UAE for 7 years now. I am an American who has been invited to Muslim weddings and funerals. I have been included in culturally private and sensitive situations, from family disputes to police involvement to joyous occassions. I am guessing you have not. I assure you there are many "other Muslims" here that are outside of your offensive, narrow, ill-informed definition of "Muslims". If you have any actual experience living or interacting with Muslims, or if you have any first-hand experience of any kind dealing with Muslims, please share it. There are many, many (most) Muslims who live and work and play and pray and raise families, just like everybody else. They have different and firm religious beliefs, but they do not exclude other beliefs and they do not begrudge other cultures and conventions. ,ay I suggest you get your brain smart on the subject, before you Post sweeping and incorrect statements about a culture. You might also care to research how many Western/non-Muslim shootings and bombings and killings there have been.

 

[Manticore]

It's too bad Daesh forgot this:

(credit to Marvel comis; this was taken from the Ms. Marvel book)

 

[Locutus of Bored]

What should the West do? What will work to stop any and all terror attacks?

There's only one premise that you can start from. That the cause of Islamic terrorism is Islam ie the Koran and the ideas/instructions held within it.

Now, since you can't eradicate the ideas of Islam, destroying every semblence of Islam from the Earth probably isn't going to cut it, so that leads to one inescapable conclusion.

You have to deal with muslims, and you have to do it wholesale. Unpalatable, I realise. But no one will judge western civilisation except our children, our children's children, and their children. If the West doesn't deal with muslims, then our children will not be here to judge us for our inaction. If they are here, then they will look back at history and see that we did what needed to be done.

This shouldn't really be something that ever needs to be said, but calling for the genocide of 1.6 billion people is wrong, mmkay? And it's definitely not the kind of rhetoric that is welcome on this forum, so please don't do this again.

Infraction for trolling. Comments to PM.

 

[J.T.B.]

That all depends on believing that so called moderate muslims actually exist.

I don't believe they exist. It's a political left wing lie designed to force Islam on to western civilisation by stealth. I don't see these moderate muslims doing anything to stop their own sort from killing westerners.

There are muslims who are nuts and who tacitly condone terrorism by doing nothing, and there are muslims who are terrorists. There are no other muslims.

We shouldn't be tolerating either.

Jesus Christ, what a load of ignorant garbage. Admiral Bear should inform himself, among other things, about the faith of the majority of victims of IS.

As for there being "no other muslims" [sic], a good friend and co-worker of mine is a Lebanese American and a Muslim who attends his mosque every week. He is also a CW-4 linguist and intelligence officer, US Army Reserve. The week after 9-11, he left his family and job to haul his 50-year old ass around Afghanistan for a year. Never complained once and still hasn't. There are many such stores. So please keep the monolithic stereotyping and conspiracy theories to yourself.

 

[publiusr]

Bashing him isn't the answer either

It's a human response--fear of the other is what evolution has given us
http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/05/inquiring-minds-david-amodio-your-brain-on-racism
http://www.rd.com/culture/psychology-of-prejudice-racism/

(All this) can be very difficult for even the most well-intentioned person to control. But that doesn't mean we can't do anything about them: We can draw attention to the insidious nature of these subconscious influences, and we can work to prevent them from exerting harmful effects not only on interpersonal behavior, but also on policy, employment practices, and public life.

Th initial knee jerk thing is understandable--but then we have to let our higher minds take over.

Remember, most of the folks fleeing are not the ones who love to fight.

It is going to be difficult to sort this all out--anything that sounds quick and easy--well--that's not going to work.

 

[Peach Wookiee]

Last night, I watched Deep Space Nine's "Homefront" and "Paradise Lost." Again I was struck at how prophetic DS9 has been. Not at "false flag" operations, as what Admiral Leighton did, but at how it predicted how we as humans might react at terrorism. In the 24th century, do we still get scared at someone firing shots at us from the darkness? We do. Do we still want to be safe as we can be? Yes. Can common-sense solutions still lead to situations that can be taken too far? Most definitely. We can help each other be safe, but we don't have to destroy everything.
And it'll be a good day for humanity, relatively, when 27 lives lost is enough for the planet to mourn for an entire day.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

We shouldn't be tolerating either.

Tell you what, sparky. There are those whom we shouldn't be tolerating, yes. But it's not Muslims. It's people like you.

 

[Dar70]

Uh oh boy.....thought i was in the wrong forum.

Back on topic. I posted this at Tnz

https://www.fascinations.com/iconx/Notre-Dame

I just bought this about a week ago. Its the size of a dollar bill when completed but very nicely detailed. I was looking forward to putting it together during the holidays. Notre Dame Cathedral along with Big Ben are two of my favorite architectural structures. Im going to add blue,white and red led lights now at the base now due to recent events.

Just a beautiful structure. Wish i could see it in person. Im sure it will be a gathering place for many during this difficult time.

 

[Tora Ziyal]

The problem is extremism - which, sadly, is the general nature of the quoted post.

That all depends on believing that so called moderate muslims actually exist.

I don't believe they exist. It's a political left wing lie designed to force Islam on to western civilisation by stealth. I don't see these moderate muslims doing anything to stop their own sort from killing westerners.

There are muslims who are nuts and who tacitly condone terrorism by doing nothing, and there are muslims who are terrorists. There are no other muslims.

We shouldn't be tolerating either.

For Admiral Bear and anyone else who questions whether there are other Muslims:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/24/muslim-scholars-islamic-state_n_5878038.html

 

[Greylock Crescent]

The problem is extremism - which, sadly, is the general nature of the quoted post.

That all depends on believing that so called moderate muslims actually exist.

I don't believe they exist. It's a political left wing lie designed to force Islam on to western civilisation by stealth. I don't see these moderate muslims doing anything to stop their own sort from killing westerners.

There are muslims who are nuts and who tacitly condone terrorism by doing nothing, and there are muslims who are terrorists. There are no other muslims.

We shouldn't be tolerating either.

For Admiral Bear and anyone else who questions whether there are other Muslims:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/24/muslim-scholars-islamic-state_n_5878038.html

Thanks for sharing that, Tora. Although such extremist positions (as embodied by Admiral Bear's posts) are inherently irrational, it's always good to have some definitive sources to demonstrate why.

 

[Tora Ziyal]

You're welcome, Mariner. That statement was issued more than a year ago. Other Muslim leaders have spoken out more recently, but none (that I've seen) more thoroughly and clearly than this one.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

I wish we knew what these "people" wanted.. What do they want?

BTW Has anyone seen this? Senator McCain of all people...


[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgLj5s0Xk8A[/yt]

 

[Unicron]

President Obama recently uploaded a response to the Paris attacks.

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qYeXxGnSIA[/yt]

 

[Trekker4747]

What should the West do? What will work to stop any and all terror attacks?

There's only one premise that you can start from. That the cause of Islamic terrorism is Islam ie the Koran and the ideas/instructions held within it.

Now, since you can't eradicate the ideas of Islam, destroying every semblence of Islam from the Earth probably isn't going to cut it, so that leads to one inescapable conclusion.

You have to deal with muslims, and you have to do it wholesale. Unpalatable, I realise. But no one will judge western civilisation except our children, our children's children, and their children. If the West doesn't deal with muslims, then our children will not be here to judge us for our inaction. If they are here, then they will look back at history and see that we did what needed to be done.

 

[Rincewiend]

I work at Leerdammer Cheese, they are part of the French Bel Group, famous for their BabyBel and Smiling Cow products.
About 50 percent of my colleagues are Muslim.
They've denounced the perpetrators of the Charlie Hebdo attacks for their attack and they will do the same for this attack.
In the eyes of my colleagues and other Muslims in Europe these members of ISIS are following a twisted version of Islam, going against Muhammed's message.

 

[publiusr]

I'm thinking Detroit, some other nearby areas would be a good place for refugees. They'd feel more at home. Some of those leaving France for Israel would fit in on the East Coast--to commute from Quebec to New York. Less of a culture shock than everybody on top of each other in Europe.

 

[Tora Ziyal]

^Huh?

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

I work at Leerdammer Cheese, they are part of the French Bel Group, famous for their BabyBel and Smiling Cow products.
About 50 percent of my colleagues are Muslim.
They've denounced the perpetrators of the Charlie Hebdo attacks for their attack and they will do the same for this attack.
In the eyes of my colleagues and other Muslims in Europe these members of ISIS are following a twisted version of Islam, going against Muhammed's message.

But the thing that people get confused on is "what was his message?" and even some Muslims fail to adequately explain that causing more angst..

 

[RJDiogenes]

In the eyes of my colleagues and other Muslims in Europe these members of ISIS are following a twisted version of Islam, going against Muhammed's message.

Islamic extremist groups in the Middle East are just like the identity churches in America: Not representative of the real thing.